The technology in many cases doesn't try to convert handwriting to typed text at all. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Need to correct a factual error here. The user decides whether to store the handwriting as is or have the machine convert tha handwriting to text.
Furthermore, even if the handwriting is not converted, the content is indexed and searchable. For example, I can search through the meeting notes I have taken in the last three days for instances of the word 'prototype' despite the fact it is not converted. When that writing is sent to non-supported OS (non-tablet Windows, Mac, linux), it is obviously just a picture.
With Apple and the big advance of iChat LOL the thing is full of bugs and all apple folks are fast to tell you it is version 1.0 just wait just wait just wait. It will get better they all say.
When Microsoft and Compaq come up with a real new product for the market these same Apple bunch are quick to write off the entire thing.
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
<strong>I find the Apple bunch a crazy bunch.
With Apple and the big advance of iChat LOL the thing is full of bugs and all apple folks are fast to tell you it is version 1.0 just wait just wait just wait. It will get better they all say.
When Microsoft and Compaq come up with a real new product for the market these same Apple bunch are quick to write off the entire thing.
I see... a sort of double mindedness.....
It is Funny to watch in action..
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's all part of being a fanatic. You should know all about this FCiB.
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
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When Microsoft and Compaq come up with a real new product for the market these same Apple bunch are quick to write off the entire thing.
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Hmmmm. We have had wireless tablet pc's for almost two years with touch screens running NT 4 workstation. Wouldn't really call it a "real new product". I would call it more of a "we don't have any new ideas so we will take one that most people don't know already exists, put it in a shinny box, and tell people/executives they really need these". Now we plan on buying these things where I work, but please lets not make them out to be something they are not. "Real new product" they ain't!!
TabletPC is a novel concept, but I'm glad Apple doesn't have one yet. Microsoft has deeper pockets, let them test the market. When the market is there, and loyal (like with MP3 players), then Apple will jump in. They got burned with the Newton--though Newton was profitable, it wasn't the groundbreaking success it was intended to be.
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
<strong>With Apple and the big advance of iChat LOL the thing is full of bugs and all apple folks are fast to tell you it is version 1.0 just wait just wait just wait. It will get better they all say.
When Microsoft and Compaq come up with a real new product for the market these same Apple bunch are quick to write off the entire thing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, this was my point about Tablet PCs too. It's essentially at version 1.0, so it has a ways to go before it's more viable to the general populace.
I agree with Gordy. I'm willing to let others be trailblazers and make a first really concerted push towards this stuff (I suppose Newton could be considered the first by some, but it's irrelevant). I'd rather have Apple learn a little from the market on this one. My purchases have less to do with what's new any more, and more to do with what works best for me. Age and the hindsight of seeing other trailblazing tech and companies go to pasture will do that to you.
Look at it this way, at least MS can't "steal" the market from anyone else now. With a lot of luck, someone can steal it from them for a change.
I think the tablet will need to have great handwriting recognition to have any chance of success for the long haul.
The newton 2100 did have good recognition and I think a lot of this had to do with the facts that it would identify a half printing/half cursive style. It also let you write anywhere on the screen. That was a very natural way to write.
The Tablet PC makes you write in a certain area. Inkwell, at this time makes you write on a tablet watching the screen. From all reports, Tablet PC does not recognize very well and MS encourages the user not to use it this way. I have used Inkwell and found it to be behind the Newton in recognition ability and intuitive feel.
MS has deep pockets and can afford the ridicule which they will get whether right or wrong. The clientele these are aimed at are not necessarily Apple type clients.
I believe Apple has a strong idea what they want to do with InkWell. I think they are also wise to sit back and let MS take a few lumps. I am sick and tired of journalists again beating the drum about how dismal of a failure the Newton was. I doubt half of them even tried it, especially towards the end.
It's too bad Apple was in such dire straits when Jobs showed up because the Newton was just hitting it's stride. I still think its form factor is arms and legs ahead of these tablet PC's.
Remember when one the biggest complaints with the Newton were how big and expensive it was? Well looky now. Seems puny compared to these high priced SUV sized Tablets.
the handwriting recognition on the tablet pc is really very good. better than it was on my mp130. i'd say, for me, it was about 99% accurate. i've written a couple of paragraphs on one and i think there was one error in conversion.
<strong>From all reports, Tablet PC does not recognize very well and MS encourages the user not to use it this way. </strong><hr></blockquote>
What way? I demoed one six months ago and found the handwriting recognition to be veru good although not perfect of course. The HWR engine can better full natrual cursive rather than half-print half cursive style. Note that MS has been working on this for the past three years; they have been refining the HWR engine used in since PocketPC 2000.
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The technology in many cases doesn't try to convert handwriting to typed text at all. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Need to correct a factual error here. The user decides whether to store the handwriting as is or have the machine convert tha handwriting to text.
Furthermore, even if the handwriting is not converted, the content is indexed and searchable. For example, I can search through the meeting notes I have taken in the last three days for instances of the word 'prototype' despite the fact it is not converted. When that writing is sent to non-supported OS (non-tablet Windows, Mac, linux), it is obviously just a picture.
its a good thing you're IT. Enjoy your rebooting.
With Apple and the big advance of iChat LOL the thing is full of bugs and all apple folks are fast to tell you it is version 1.0 just wait just wait just wait. It will get better they all say.
When Microsoft and Compaq come up with a real new product for the market these same Apple bunch are quick to write off the entire thing.
I see... a sort of double mindedness.....
It is Funny to watch in action..
Fellowship
<strong>I find the Apple bunch a crazy bunch.
With Apple and the big advance of iChat LOL the thing is full of bugs and all apple folks are fast to tell you it is version 1.0 just wait just wait just wait. It will get better they all say.
When Microsoft and Compaq come up with a real new product for the market these same Apple bunch are quick to write off the entire thing.
I see... a sort of double mindedness.....
It is Funny to watch in action..
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's all part of being a fanatic. You should know all about this FCiB.
<strong>
When Microsoft and Compaq come up with a real new product for the market these same Apple bunch are quick to write off the entire thing.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmmm. We have had wireless tablet pc's for almost two years with touch screens running NT 4 workstation. Wouldn't really call it a "real new product". I would call it more of a "we don't have any new ideas so we will take one that most people don't know already exists, put it in a shinny box, and tell people/executives they really need these". Now we plan on buying these things where I work, but please lets not make them out to be something they are not. "Real new product" they ain't!!
<strong>Hmmm..I think he actually got ya on that one Fellowship
SQUASH HOW ARE YA MAN!
Great to see you
Fellowship
<strong>With Apple and the big advance of iChat LOL the thing is full of bugs and all apple folks are fast to tell you it is version 1.0 just wait just wait just wait. It will get better they all say.
When Microsoft and Compaq come up with a real new product for the market these same Apple bunch are quick to write off the entire thing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, this was my point about Tablet PCs too. It's essentially at version 1.0, so it has a ways to go before it's more viable to the general populace.
I agree with Gordy. I'm willing to let others be trailblazers and make a first really concerted push towards this stuff (I suppose Newton could be considered the first by some, but it's irrelevant). I'd rather have Apple learn a little from the market on this one. My purchases have less to do with what's new any more, and more to do with what works best for me. Age and the hindsight of seeing other trailblazing tech and companies go to pasture will do that to you.
Look at it this way, at least MS can't "steal" the market from anyone else now. With a lot of luck, someone can steal it from them for a change.
The newton 2100 did have good recognition and I think a lot of this had to do with the facts that it would identify a half printing/half cursive style. It also let you write anywhere on the screen. That was a very natural way to write.
The Tablet PC makes you write in a certain area. Inkwell, at this time makes you write on a tablet watching the screen. From all reports, Tablet PC does not recognize very well and MS encourages the user not to use it this way. I have used Inkwell and found it to be behind the Newton in recognition ability and intuitive feel.
MS has deep pockets and can afford the ridicule which they will get whether right or wrong. The clientele these are aimed at are not necessarily Apple type clients.
I believe Apple has a strong idea what they want to do with InkWell. I think they are also wise to sit back and let MS take a few lumps. I am sick and tired of journalists again beating the drum about how dismal of a failure the Newton was. I doubt half of them even tried it, especially towards the end.
It's too bad Apple was in such dire straits when Jobs showed up because the Newton was just hitting it's stride. I still think its form factor is arms and legs ahead of these tablet PC's.
Remember when one the biggest complaints with the Newton were how big and expensive it was? Well looky now. Seems puny compared to these high priced SUV sized Tablets.
<strong>From all reports, Tablet PC does not recognize very well and MS encourages the user not to use it this way. </strong><hr></blockquote>
What way? I demoed one six months ago and found the handwriting recognition to be veru good although not perfect of course. The HWR engine can better full natrual cursive rather than half-print half cursive style. Note that MS has been working on this for the past three years; they have been refining the HWR engine used in since PocketPC 2000.