Go buy a $45,000 BMW Z3 roadster. Do you need the technology, horsepower, lust factor ?
Of course not, but damn, needed or not you just paid for it !</strong><hr></blockquote>
So is that car slower or faster than most of the other new cars on the road? With Apple you pay top money for so so specs. With BMW you pay top money for top specs. Get it? Apple is slower and cost more. Bad combination.
So is that car slower or faster than most of the other new cars on the road? With Apple you pay top money for so so specs. With BMW you pay top money for top specs. Get it? Apple is slower and cost more. Bad combination.</strong><hr></blockquote>
uhh, the z3 is actually slower than a lot of cars on the road. really. it's much much slower than plenty of cars that cost the same or much less.
<strong>yea great, some people don't "need" all that speed.
But why should we pay top dollar for pieces of crap and computers that are slower than the competition. Your arguement doesn't make sense.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black...jeezus.
So you think existing Macs are crappy, and yet you continue to buy / use them anyway. Interesting. Also interesting how you praised Apple for making such "high quality" products in another recent thread, citing how Jobs has "complete" control over the whole process. Quit talking out both sides of your mouth, and please, give up the "Steve has complete control" stuff. The only thing that doesn't make sense is your 180 degree change in attitude about Apple products from one thread to the next.
By the way, I'll take my G4/500 over a 1.6 GHz Dell POS running XP any day of the week. It IS dissapointing Apple hasn't found a way to rid themselves of Motorola and thus rid themselves of these ridiculous lag times between significant processor updates, but you're really showing your ignorance by calling existing power Macs "crappy." Most of us know better, so give it up.
If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black...jeezus.
So you think existing Macs are crappy, and yet you continue to buy / use them anyway. Interesting. Also interesting how you praised Apple for making such "high quality" products in another recent thread, citing how Jobs has "complete" control over the whole process. Quit talking out both sides of your mouth, and please, give up the "Steve has complete control" stuff. The only thing that doesn't make sense is your 180 degree change in attitude about Apple products from one thread to the next.
By the way, I'll take my G4/500 over a 1.6 GHz Dell POS running XP any day of the week. It IS dissapointing Apple hasn't found a way to rid themselves of Motorola and thus rid themselves of these ridiculous lag times between significant processor updates, but you're really showing your ignorance by calling existing power Macs "crappy." Most of us know better, so give it up.</strong><hr></blockquote>
asshole. read and comprehend. then you don't make such an ass out of yourself.
this discussion is about Powermacs. the powermacs are crap and suck. you disagree? they haven't been updated since July, haven't seen a price cut, haven't seen anything. they suck. the imac now has better specs than hal the line for half the price!
the other thread was concerning Apple's new products and most notably the imac. the new iMac rocks.
I remember the good old days when Apple had a bump of some kind for every system every 3-6 months. Those days are over. Apple will fall father and farther behind while the ship a slower OS as the default boot up.
this disucssion is about Powermacs. the powermacs are crap and suck....
the other thread was concerning Apple's new products and most notably the imac....
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Wow, the maturity level is astounding...tell you what, I'll "read and comprehend" if you do! Learn how to take a minor criticism without having an brain hemorrhage, OK? Life will be easier for you.
As far as understanding, seems you basically repeated exactly what I asserted: that you think Power Macs suck (and still use them). WHY?? Either they suck or they don't - seems your money says they don't. So wil your continued presence on this board and in this community if I had to guess, or are you about to visit Gateway.com? Seems I understood you just fine, jerk. It's that whole "read and comprehend thing" you know....
And yah, the other thread was in part about the iMac, but the statements you made were all encompassing. "Of course he cares, that's why Apple makes such quality products - Steve is in complete control, blah blah fu*king blah." The mere fact that you made that statement shows you have no clue what you're talking about. If he in fact had complete control over every aspect of every product, it would be even LONGER between updates - for any product. It's called delegation of responsibility...go read a management book if that concept is over your head.
Oh and I hope your constipation subsides quickly, less you attack someone else for no good reason. Douche Bag.
[quote]Wow, the maturity level is astounding...tell you what, I'll "read and comprehend" if you do! Learn how to take a minor criticism without having an brain hemorrhage, OK? Life will be easier for you.<hr></blockquote>
my maturity? there is seriously something wrong with you. you pick me out to start an arguement yet you bring up MY maturity after you rip into me because you fail to comprehend the difference between two posts. which brings up my question: why the hell are you studying my posts so hard? are you obsessed with trying to "get me" or something? you've done it in the past and its getting pretty sad.
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As far as understanding, seems to basically repeated exactly what I asserted: that you think Power Macs suck (and still use them). WHY?? Either they suck or they don't - seems your money says they don't.<hr></blockquote>
again. Are you this dense? The current PowerMac line is a ripoff. It sucks. What does that have anything to do with me owning a PowerMac G4 that I bought in October 1999? How does that make me ineligible to criticize their current computers?
and what money says they don't? I would have bought one if they didn't suck.
can you please try thinking before posting next time.
[quote]So wil your continued presence on this board and in this community, or are you about to visit Gateway.com?<hr></blockquote>
huh? have I ever said I was going to switch and go buy a gateway?
so I guess according to you someone who owns amac can't say that a current mac sucks? that makes sense.
[quote]Seems I understood you just fine, jerk. It's that whole "read and comprehend thing" you know....<hr></blockquote>
no, you really didn't read and comprehend and you have officially lost me with your baseless statements and conclusions.
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And yah, the other thread was in part about the iMac, but the statements you made were all encompassing. "Of course he cares, that's why Apple makes such quality products - Steve is in complete control, blah blah ****ing blah."<hr></blockquote>
and?
yes those statements were overall. the PowerMac G4 was good last July. It sucks now. Still don't see why you have such a problem with me saying that. 99% of the people here say the EXACT same thing.
[quote]he mere fact that you made that statement shows you have no clue what you're talking about.<hr></blockquote>
look who's talking
[quote]If he in fact had complete control over every aspect of every product, it would be even LONGER between updates - for any product. It's called delegation of responsibility...go read a management book if that concept is over your head.<hr></blockquote>
how the hell can you make a discussion about poor CPU speed turn into reading a management book.
Power Macs are primarily bought by people doing production work (audio, graphics, video, etc) rather than data management. If the computer is used for invoices and spreadsheets, it does not need to be very fast (though this is by no means always true). Anyone using a computer for these kind of tasks is not so pressed to upgrade. That's why my library can have old double digit mhz processors with no thoughts of an upgrade. But with the Power Mac, it is specifically geared for media production. That's why there is no MS Access in Office for Mac, yet FCP is one of the best video apps below the Discreet products. As long as this is the case, Power Macs will need to always be at the head of the pack power-wise. The primary uses of the Power Mac are the most demanding for computers and, therefor, the Mac has to continue to live up to its purpose. Most PC users don't need more speed. More iMac users don't necessarily need more speed. But there will not be a comfortable amount of power in the Power Macs for a few years to come. They absolutely need to keep pumping up the processors...
Go buy a $45,000 BMW Z3 roadster. Do you need the technology, horsepower, lust factor ?
Of course not, but damn, needed or not you just paid for it !</strong><hr></blockquote>
The only problem with this analogy is that in the world of compentent CPU designers and manufacturers they are able to double speeds and half costs of the chips every 18-24 months. The PowerMacs (due to Motorola) have fallen behind the curve. There is nothing wrong with getting a faster chip then you might need when the price is cheaper than what you got last year. That is what happens in the PC industry.
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Go buy a $45,000 BMW Z3 roadster. Do you need the technology, horsepower, lust factor ?
Of course not, but damn, needed or not you just paid for it !</strong><hr></blockquote>
So is that car slower or faster than most of the other new cars on the road? With Apple you pay top money for so so specs. With BMW you pay top money for top specs. Get it? Apple is slower and cost more. Bad combination.
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So is that car slower or faster than most of the other new cars on the road? With Apple you pay top money for so so specs. With BMW you pay top money for top specs. Get it? Apple is slower and cost more. Bad combination.</strong><hr></blockquote>
uhh, the z3 is actually slower than a lot of cars on the road. really. it's much much slower than plenty of cars that cost the same or much less.
<strong>yea great, some people don't "need" all that speed.
But why should we pay top dollar for pieces of crap and computers that are slower than the competition. Your arguement doesn't make sense.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black...jeezus.
So you think existing Macs are crappy, and yet you continue to buy / use them anyway. Interesting. Also interesting how you praised Apple for making such "high quality" products in another recent thread, citing how Jobs has "complete" control over the whole process. Quit talking out both sides of your mouth, and please, give up the "Steve has complete control" stuff. The only thing that doesn't make sense is your 180 degree change in attitude about Apple products from one thread to the next.
By the way, I'll take my G4/500 over a 1.6 GHz Dell POS running XP any day of the week. It IS dissapointing Apple hasn't found a way to rid themselves of Motorola and thus rid themselves of these ridiculous lag times between significant processor updates, but you're really showing your ignorance by calling existing power Macs "crappy." Most of us know better, so give it up.
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If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black...jeezus.
So you think existing Macs are crappy, and yet you continue to buy / use them anyway. Interesting. Also interesting how you praised Apple for making such "high quality" products in another recent thread, citing how Jobs has "complete" control over the whole process. Quit talking out both sides of your mouth, and please, give up the "Steve has complete control" stuff. The only thing that doesn't make sense is your 180 degree change in attitude about Apple products from one thread to the next.
By the way, I'll take my G4/500 over a 1.6 GHz Dell POS running XP any day of the week. It IS dissapointing Apple hasn't found a way to rid themselves of Motorola and thus rid themselves of these ridiculous lag times between significant processor updates, but you're really showing your ignorance by calling existing power Macs "crappy." Most of us know better, so give it up.</strong><hr></blockquote>
asshole. read and comprehend. then you don't make such an ass out of yourself.
this discussion is about Powermacs. the powermacs are crap and suck. you disagree? they haven't been updated since July, haven't seen a price cut, haven't seen anything. they suck. the imac now has better specs than hal the line for half the price!
the other thread was concerning Apple's new products and most notably the imac. the new iMac rocks.
see the difference? I know you can.
Now stop being such a dick
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asshole. read and comprehend....
this disucssion is about Powermacs. the powermacs are crap and suck....
the other thread was concerning Apple's new products and most notably the imac....
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Wow, the maturity level is astounding...tell you what, I'll "read and comprehend" if you do! Learn how to take a minor criticism without having an brain hemorrhage, OK? Life will be easier for you.
As far as understanding, seems you basically repeated exactly what I asserted: that you think Power Macs suck (and still use them). WHY?? Either they suck or they don't - seems your money says they don't. So wil your continued presence on this board and in this community if I had to guess, or are you about to visit Gateway.com? Seems I understood you just fine, jerk. It's that whole "read and comprehend thing" you know....
And yah, the other thread was in part about the iMac, but the statements you made were all encompassing. "Of course he cares, that's why Apple makes such quality products - Steve is in complete control, blah blah fu*king blah." The mere fact that you made that statement shows you have no clue what you're talking about. If he in fact had complete control over every aspect of every product, it would be even LONGER between updates - for any product. It's called delegation of responsibility...go read a management book if that concept is over your head.
Oh and I hope your constipation subsides quickly, less you attack someone else for no good reason. Douche Bag.
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my maturity? there is seriously something wrong with you. you pick me out to start an arguement yet you bring up MY maturity after you rip into me because you fail to comprehend the difference between two posts. which brings up my question: why the hell are you studying my posts so hard? are you obsessed with trying to "get me" or something? you've done it in the past and its getting pretty sad.
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As far as understanding, seems to basically repeated exactly what I asserted: that you think Power Macs suck (and still use them). WHY?? Either they suck or they don't - seems your money says they don't.<hr></blockquote>
again. Are you this dense? The current PowerMac line is a ripoff. It sucks. What does that have anything to do with me owning a PowerMac G4 that I bought in October 1999? How does that make me ineligible to criticize their current computers?
and what money says they don't? I would have bought one if they didn't suck.
can you please try thinking before posting next time.
[quote]So wil your continued presence on this board and in this community, or are you about to visit Gateway.com?<hr></blockquote>
huh? have I ever said I was going to switch and go buy a gateway?
so I guess according to you someone who owns amac can't say that a current mac sucks? that makes sense.
[quote]Seems I understood you just fine, jerk. It's that whole "read and comprehend thing" you know....<hr></blockquote>
no, you really didn't read and comprehend and you have officially lost me with your baseless statements and conclusions.
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And yah, the other thread was in part about the iMac, but the statements you made were all encompassing. "Of course he cares, that's why Apple makes such quality products - Steve is in complete control, blah blah ****ing blah."<hr></blockquote>
and?
yes those statements were overall. the PowerMac G4 was good last July. It sucks now. Still don't see why you have such a problem with me saying that. 99% of the people here say the EXACT same thing.
[quote]he mere fact that you made that statement shows you have no clue what you're talking about.<hr></blockquote>
look who's talking
[quote]If he in fact had complete control over every aspect of every product, it would be even LONGER between updates - for any product. It's called delegation of responsibility...go read a management book if that concept is over your head.<hr></blockquote>
how the hell can you make a discussion about poor CPU speed turn into reading a management book.
really. take a break. you are just sad.
<strong>Who needs a 1.6GHz processor?
Go buy a $45,000 BMW Z3 roadster. Do you need the technology, horsepower, lust factor ?
Of course not, but damn, needed or not you just paid for it !</strong><hr></blockquote>
The only problem with this analogy is that in the world of compentent CPU designers and manufacturers they are able to double speeds and half costs of the chips every 18-24 months. The PowerMacs (due to Motorola) have fallen behind the curve. There is nothing wrong with getting a faster chip then you might need when the price is cheaper than what you got last year. That is what happens in the PC industry.