But a house with a real security system installed is more secure than a house where the installer did nothing but hang a fake cardboard alarm panel.
Yes but installing the app in question didn't remove any existing security protocols. The actual security of the system is still the same as it was before and after the app was installed.
So, despite everything we've been told, here is a group of developers that prefer to code for Android over iOS. This is because it's so much harder to create their projects on iOS. Apple...doomed...
According to the most recent real data the rate of actual malware infection from Google Play apps is only .001% which is probably not far off from Apple's App Store.
If you click through, you find that the "most recent real data" in the link comes exclusively from Google, who (quelle surprise!) concludes that there is no Android malware problem. And if there is, it's not their fault.
If you click through, you find that the "most recent real data" in the link comes exclusively from Google
Well of course it does. They're the only one's who factually know. :rolleyes:
That's why you never see infection rates quoted by any of the anti-virus companies. They'd just be guessing. Instead they use phrases like "targeting Android" "focused on Android" or "written for Android", none of which means successfully attacked Android. It does make for a good piece of FUD tho and sells a few copies of AV apps.
These sort of articles always bring out the defenders refusing to believe there is a problem.
So Android doesn't have freemium java programs?
Dunno. Do they? Or are you just referring to stuff like free Google Play games with in-app purchases? FWIW I've always considered free iOS or Android games that need in-app purchases to play a bit on the dishonest side.
...to follow up on the post above, F-Secure (a third-party who is neither Google nor Apple) reported last month that Android malware grew from 79% of all mobile malware in 2012 to 97% in 2013.
They go on to say that only 5% of these were detected in the US - the third world (especially Saudia Arabia and India) were the major locations of malware detections. Nevertheless, 5% of 804 Android malware threats were identified in the US...which comes out to around 40 of the total.
But these folks also wanted to know what fraction of Android apps were malware, so they also looked at a sampling from various Android app stores, and found malware rates of up to 33%; four non-Google play stores in China were in the top ten, although their rates were below 10%.
In contrast, they found only 0.1% of US Google Play apps to be malware. That sounds like a pretty safe "walled garden", until you realize that Google claims to have 1 million apps in that store, which would thus presumably include around 1000 malware apps. Google says there were >25 billion apps downloaded from the Play store last year; 0.1% of that would exceed 25 million.
0.1% (from the F-Secure study) is also around 100 times higher than the malware rate Google claims (0.001%) in the article linked to above. Both are low numbers, until you multiply them times the number of users/downloads, or until your own phone gets infected.
By the way- the total number of 2013 malware threats from iOS and Windows Mobile combined in the F-Secure study was...
Having a false sense of security doesn't reduce the actual security of the system. For example, a house with a security alarm that puts a sign up that says "This house is secured by XX" is no more secure than a house that has the same alarm system but doesn't put up that sign.
Well thieves will avoid the house with the sign. They'll attempt to break into the house without the sign before being scared off.
...to follow up on the post above, F-Secure (a third-party who is neither Google nor Apple) reported last month that Android malware grew from 79% of all mobile malware in 2012 to 97% in 2013.
They go on to say that only 5% of these were detected in the US - the third world (especially Saudia Arabia and India) were the major locations of malware detections. Nevertheless, 5% of 804 Android malware threats were identified in the US...which comes out to around 40 of the total.
But these folks also wanted to know what fraction of Android apps were malware, so they also looked at a sampling from various Android app stores, and found malware rates of up to 33%; four non-Google play stores in China were in the top ten, although their rates were below 10%.
In contrast, they found only 0.1% of US Google Play apps to be malware. That sounds like a pretty safe "walled garden", until you realize that Google claims to have 1 million apps in that store, which would thus presumably include around 1000 malware apps. Google says there were >25 billion apps downloaded from the Play store last year; 0.1% of that would exceed 25 million.
0.1% (from the F-Secure study) is also around 100 times higher than the malware rate Google claims (0.001%) in the article linked to above. Both are low numbers, until you multiply them times the number of users/downloads, or until your own phone gets infected.
By the way- the total number of 2013 malware threats from iOS and Windows Mobile combined in the F-Secure study was...
well, y0u kn0w.
I guess you don't leave your house for fear of a real infection.
...to follow up on the post above, F-Secure (a third-party who is neither Google nor Apple) reported last month that Android malware grew from 79% of all mobile malware in 2012 to 97% in 2013.
They go on to say that only 5% of these were detected in the US - the third world (especially Saudia Arabia and India) were the major locations of malware detections. Nevertheless, 5% of 804 Android malware threats were identified in the US...which comes out to around 40 of the total.
But these folks also wanted to know what fraction of Android apps were malware, so they also looked at a sampling from various Android app stores, and found malware rates of up to 33%; four non-Google play stores in China were in the top ten, although their rates were below 10%.
In contrast, they found only 0.1% of US Google Play apps to be malware. That sounds like a pretty safe "walled garden", until you realize that Google claims to have 1 million apps in that store, which would thus presumably include around 1000 malware apps. Google says there were >25 billion apps downloaded from the Play store last year; 0.1% of that would exceed 25 million.
0.1% (from the F-Secure study) is also around 100 times higher than the malware rate Google claims (0.001%) in the article linked to above. Both are low numbers, until you multiply them times the number of users/downloads, or until your own phone gets infected.
By the way- the total number of 2013 malware threats from iOS and Windows Mobile combined in the F-Secure study was...
well, y0u kn0w.
Note that F-Secure does not claim numbers of harmed users or even that any of the supposed malware apps they "discovered" on Google Play actually caused any harm to users at all. Some may have. Or maybe they didn't. Again targeting is not the same as hitting the bullseye. You've made the additional and almost certainly erroneous assumption that the number of downloads for a highly-regarded, popular and established app and a sketchy new unrated one would be roughly equivalent in arriving at your 25 million count. Darn doubtful. By the way do you know the types of behavior F-Secure considers malware? You should look for their definition.
Google Android is not the malware-infested platform you and a few others would like to believe it is (for whatever reason). There are no hard numbers to support what you apparently are convinced of, that every Google Android user is under attack, their phones and tablets infested with lots of malicious apps and on a regular basis. It's a myth with no basis in reality. Sure there's malware. It exists for iOS, MAC and Windows too. It's not a runaway problem for Google Android despite dire warnings filled with doom and gloom from anti-virus companies.
IMO I don't think the level of malware infecting and harming users from Google Play is significantly higher than from Apple's App Store.
Someone alert the moderation staff, Soli's account appears to have been hacked.
Not sure if your kidding or not but I don't recall ever making any blanket statement that Android had no utility anywhere or for any reason. I greatly prefer the UX of iOS and Mac OS X but Android and Windows have their strengths.
Not sure if your kidding or not but I don't recall ever making any blanket statement that Android had no utility anywhere or for any reason. I greatly prefer the UX of iOS and Mac OS X but Android and Windows have their strengths.
Yup, just having some fun. The post struck me as being very out of character from what I've seen, but it's one that I do happen to agree with.
Yup, just having some fun. The post struck me as being very out of character from what I've seen, but it's one that I do happen to agree with.
In my defense I do go after pro-Apple contributors here whom I consider friends (and talk to outside this forum) who I feel make unfair comments.. and I expect them to do the same if they feel I make unfair comments.
Someone alert the moderation staff, Soli's account appears to have been hacked.
Even I would agree with his statement. I've consistently said Apple isn't trying to be all things to all people, nor should they. Most people would be very happy with Apple products, but there are plenty of valid reasons to choose something else. It's based on need and personal priorities. No company can be 100% of the market. And I laugh at people who claim that Apple ever was 100% of any market only to see that percentage decline ever since Android; that's a completely false argument. Apple didn't start with 100% marketshare, they started with zero.
Yup, just having some fun. The post struck me as being very out of character from what I've seen, but it's one that I do happen to agree with.
It would have been out of character for Apple ][, but Soli isn't in the 'bash Android users' brigade. I've learned quite a bit from him because he actually takes the time to answer questions even the times I was being a bit of a jerk.
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I can't agree with this comment at all.
But a house with a real security system installed is more secure than a house where the installer did nothing but hang a fake cardboard alarm panel.
Yes but installing the app in question didn't remove any existing security protocols. The actual security of the system is still the same as it was before and after the app was installed.
So, despite everything we've been told, here is a group of developers that prefer to code for Android over iOS. This is because it's so much harder to create their projects on iOS. Apple...doomed...
I rather like iOS's security model
According to the most recent real data the rate of actual malware infection from Google Play apps is only .001% which is probably not far off from Apple's App Store.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-says-less-than-.001-of-Android-malware-evades-Google-Play-security-to-cause-harm_id47960
If you click through, you find that the "most recent real data" in the link comes exclusively from Google, who (quelle surprise!) concludes that there is no Android malware problem. And if there is, it's not their fault.
Well of course it does. They're the only one's who factually know. :rolleyes:
That's why you never see infection rates quoted by any of the anti-virus companies. They'd just be guessing. Instead they use phrases like "targeting Android" "focused on Android" or "written for Android", none of which means successfully attacked Android. It does make for a good piece of FUD tho and sells a few copies of AV apps.
These sort of articles always bring out the defenders refusing to believe there is a problem.
So Android doesn't have freemium java programs?
The only straw they can grasp at when trying to tar iOS with the same brush.
Four bucks to change a check mark.
Dunno. Do they? Or are you just referring to stuff like free Google Play games with in-app purchases? FWIW I've always considered free iOS or Android games that need in-app purchases to play a bit on the dishonest side.
...to follow up on the post above, F-Secure (a third-party who is neither Google nor Apple) reported last month that Android malware grew from 79% of all mobile malware in 2012 to 97% in 2013.
They go on to say that only 5% of these were detected in the US - the third world (especially Saudia Arabia and India) were the major locations of malware detections. Nevertheless, 5% of 804 Android malware threats were identified in the US...which comes out to around 40 of the total.
But these folks also wanted to know what fraction of Android apps were malware, so they also looked at a sampling from various Android app stores, and found malware rates of up to 33%; four non-Google play stores in China were in the top ten, although their rates were below 10%.
In contrast, they found only 0.1% of US Google Play apps to be malware. That sounds like a pretty safe "walled garden", until you realize that Google claims to have 1 million apps in that store, which would thus presumably include around 1000 malware apps. Google says there were >25 billion apps downloaded from the Play store last year; 0.1% of that would exceed 25 million.
0.1% (from the F-Secure study) is also around 100 times higher than the malware rate Google claims (0.001%) in the article linked to above. Both are low numbers, until you multiply them times the number of users/downloads, or until your own phone gets infected.
By the way- the total number of 2013 malware threats from iOS and Windows Mobile combined in the F-Secure study was...
well, y0u kn0w.
Well thieves will avoid the house with the sign. They'll attempt to break into the house without the sign before being scared off.
I guess you don't leave your house for fear of a real infection.
Note that F-Secure does not claim numbers of harmed users or even that any of the supposed malware apps they "discovered" on Google Play actually caused any harm to users at all. Some may have. Or maybe they didn't. Again targeting is not the same as hitting the bullseye. You've made the additional and almost certainly erroneous assumption that the number of downloads for a highly-regarded, popular and established app and a sketchy new unrated one would be roughly equivalent in arriving at your 25 million count. Darn doubtful. By the way do you know the types of behavior F-Secure considers malware? You should look for their definition.
Google Android is not the malware-infested platform you and a few others would like to believe it is (for whatever reason). There are no hard numbers to support what you apparently are convinced of, that every Google Android user is under attack, their phones and tablets infested with lots of malicious apps and on a regular basis. It's a myth with no basis in reality. Sure there's malware. It exists for iOS, MAC and Windows too. It's not a runaway problem for Google Android despite dire warnings filled with doom and gloom from anti-virus companies.
IMO I don't think the level of malware infecting and harming users from Google Play is significantly higher than from Apple's App Store.
Someone alert the moderation staff, Soli's account appears to have been hacked.
Not sure if your kidding or not but I don't recall ever making any blanket statement that Android had no utility anywhere or for any reason. I greatly prefer the UX of iOS and Mac OS X but Android and Windows have their strengths.
No, that's good ol' Soli alright.
IMO I don't think the level of malware infecting and harming users from Google Play is significantly higher than from Apple's App Store.
Thank you for correcting my obviously erroneous published data with your personal opinion.
Not sure if your kidding or not but I don't recall ever making any blanket statement that Android had no utility anywhere or for any reason. I greatly prefer the UX of iOS and Mac OS X but Android and Windows have their strengths.
Yup, just having some fun. The post struck me as being very out of character from what I've seen, but it's one that I do happen to agree with.
In my defense I do go after pro-Apple contributors here whom I consider friends (and talk to outside this forum) who I feel make unfair comments.. and I expect them to do the same if they feel I make unfair comments.
Fixed it for you.
Even I would agree with his statement. I've consistently said Apple isn't trying to be all things to all people, nor should they. Most people would be very happy with Apple products, but there are plenty of valid reasons to choose something else. It's based on need and personal priorities. No company can be 100% of the market. And I laugh at people who claim that Apple ever was 100% of any market only to see that percentage decline ever since Android; that's a completely false argument. Apple didn't start with 100% marketshare, they started with zero.
It would have been out of character for Apple ][, but Soli isn't in the 'bash Android users' brigade. I've learned quite a bit from him because he actually takes the time to answer questions even the times I was being a bit of a jerk.