Cut the crap. It's always about money. Producing its own energy saves them an absolute fortune, doing it in a green way saves them even more. As a bonus they get the green recognition. They have billions to throw at this and will never pay an electricity bill.
Somebody asked Tim Cook to provide figures on that at the last shareholder meeting and he got quite annoyed, so I wouldn't be so sure. The local power company, that typically powers entire towns and/or cities, probably has economies of scale that make it cheaper to just buy from them than try to generate your own. I don't think it is all about money for Tim.
Somebody asked Tim Cook to provide figures on that at the last shareholder meeting and he got quite annoyed, so I wouldn't be so sure. The local power company, that typically powers entire towns and/or cities, probably has economies of scale that make it cheaper to just buy from them than try to generate your own. I don't think it is all about money for Tim.
The initial outlay is huge, agreed but the savings on buying power in the long run will easily pay for the investment. It's all about the money, he's no saint he's a clear headed business man and this makes perfect sense on all levels.
Usually hydro is considered harmful because of elevated water levels due to damming can leech harmful bacteria and rare earth metals into the water, this can kill fish and blah blah blah. It also destroys above ground wildlife habitat and blah blah blah. I find these arguments pretty weak... It's more about how people complain no matter what you try to do...
Besides, hydro interferes with the natural workings of gravity!
A notable quote from the movie Network: Arthur Jensen - "You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won't have it! Is that clear?"
Take your nut job politics elsewhere. This site is about Apple.
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I hope Tim Cook is not making these decisions based on some unfounded belief that the globe is warming and we're all going to die unless he saves us with green energy. Remember when he got all red-faced and shaky at the pure mention that global warming might not exist. It's just a portion of the energy a data center needs - and Apple needs a lot. Probably 100's of megawatts for a big data center. I don't think green energy usually pencils out - except hydroelectric.
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It was the first one I noticed. Mostly you get the Samsung fanbois being anti-Apple which, although disgusting of them to invade the site, is still on topic. But when you start going off topic and being purely political, it gets old. His footer made it all politics, no Apple.
Is it just me or does that dam look really, really small?¡
I am not sure that is the actual facility or the facility given as an example of small hydro on the oregon.gov web site. As far as the amount of energy that can be produced at a site, it depends on the water flow rate and the head (drop) of the water. You need a lot of flow if the drop is small but much less flow if the head is large. Equations for the power generated can be found here:
The initial outlay is huge, agreed but the savings on buying power in the long run will easily pay for the investment. It's all about the money, he's no saint he's a clear headed business man and this makes perfect sense on all levels.
Here is part of his resopnse to an investor group when asked about Apples green initiatives. "If you want me to do things only for ROI reasons, you should get out of this stock." I'd say he's making things pretty clear.
Here is part of his resopnse to an investor group when asked about Apples green initiatives. "If you want me to do things only for ROI reasons, you should get out of this stock." I'd say he's making things pretty clear.
That is the problem with only including snippets of responses. You don't get the full picture. For example, Cook also said in the same response
"When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind," he said, "I don't consider the bloody ROI." He said that the same thing about environmental issues, worker safety, and other areas where Apple is a leader.
It should be noted that the NCPPR's proposal only received 2.95% of the vote. The proposal was purely political. Fringe political at that. Why must everything be political for some people? The Mac Observer posted a longer article about the exchange. You may want to read it.
Here is part of his resopnse to an investor group when asked about Apples green initiatives. "If you want me to do things only for ROI reasons, you should get out of this stock." I'd say he's making things pretty clear.
That is the problem with only including snippets of responses. You don't get the full picture. For example, Cook also said in the same response
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accessible by the blind," he said, "I don't consider the bloody ROI." He said that the same thing about environmental issues, worker safety, and other areas where Apple is a leader.
It should be noted that the NCPPR's proposal only received 2.95% of the vote. The proposal was purely political. Fringe political at that. Why must everything be political for some people? The Mac Observer posted a longer article about the exchange. You may want to read it.
Obfuscation, conflation, cherry-picking of data, mis-attributions, mis-information etc. are standard OP for the climate-skeptic/-denial crowd. Best not to try and engage them.
They're like the Hare Krishnas of science and public policy. They won't -- can't -- let go.
It was the first one I noticed. Mostly you get the Samsung fanbois being anti-Apple which, although disgusting of them to invade the site, is still on topic. But when you start going off topic and being purely political, it gets old. His footer made it all politics, no Apple.
YOU are probably one who would look at my handle and apply dispersions about it, but you would only show your ignorance because you do not know its meaning.
And my footer wasn't made by me, but I read it elsewhere and I thought it was funny because it's true. Yeah, it insinuates politics, but maybe if we had better governance the last decade, we'd have jobs, cash, and hope! And news flash... it had "Steve Jobs" in it and you can't get more Apple then that!
Finally, I don't recall seeing, and I went through all six pages of posts, your critique of AppleInsider posting a story about Tim Cook tweeting passage for the "Employee Non-Discrimination Act, a proposed bill that would make it illegal for companies to discriminate in hiring based on gender identity or sexual orientation." on Friday, April 11th.
Tim has every right to tweet his feelings and belief about the matter, I'm not arguing that, however, it had nothing to do with Apple, other than the poster's ID, and yet was posted on an Apple site and SILENCE from one DaveN. Tells me all I need to know.
And maybe if government didn't do stupid things like Solyndra and sending armed BLM after cattle ranchers while turning a blind eye to illegal border crossers as in "Control Our Borders, Not Our Ranchers", then there would be nothing for me to correlate to the AI's story and the poster who I commented on. Ever think about that?!?
If you were to look at ALL my posts on AI, I dare say .0000001% have reference to slight insinuations of the politics of the day. If AI had an issue they coulda, woulda, shoulda comment to me or censure me or whatever. However, I will not give up my Constitutional rights to have may say regardless of the end consequence that may befall me. I will not give up that right, not to AI and DEFINITELY not to you!
Lastly you say this isn't a place for such tidings. I believe you said it gets boring… I disagree that politics should only be talked about in political sites… I will leave the following in its original format, but believe me, I could get very political with all the junk currently going on!
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
Could you elaborate on this belief that the world is flat, I mean, that climate change doesn't exist?
Count me amongst the climate-change questioners. The fact that the leading scientists informed us a few decades ago that we were entering an ice age gives me pause for thought. Climate is such a bloody complex thing. Maybe we're buggering it up; maybe there's a natural cycle. But we sure are buggering the environment, which is why I'm very pleased that Cook is taking such a strong lead in green energy. Amazon are particularly bad in relation.
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Cut the crap. It's always about money. Producing its own energy saves them an absolute fortune, doing it in a green way saves them even more. As a bonus they get the green recognition. They have billions to throw at this and will never pay an electricity bill.
Somebody asked Tim Cook to provide figures on that at the last shareholder meeting and he got quite annoyed, so I wouldn't be so sure. The local power company, that typically powers entire towns and/or cities, probably has economies of scale that make it cheaper to just buy from them than try to generate your own. I don't think it is all about money for Tim.
Besides, hydro interferes with the natural workings of gravity!
A notable quote from the movie Network: Arthur Jensen - "You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won't have it! Is that clear?"
Nah, that only applies to cattle ranchers ruining it for a turtle. Or something.
When it comes to "Green", let's just hope this purchase is better for Apple then Solyndra was for the taxpayer!
Take your nut job politics elsewhere. This site is about Apple.
Seems a little silly to say that to only one side of the argument. And only on one thread.
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Groan.
They're here too....
Could you elaborate on this belief
that the world is flat, I mean,that climate change doesn't exist?Seems a little silly to say that to only one side of the argument. And only on one thread.
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It was the first one I noticed. Mostly you get the Samsung fanbois being anti-Apple which, although disgusting of them to invade the site, is still on topic. But when you start going off topic and being purely political, it gets old. His footer made it all politics, no Apple.
Is it just me or does that dam look really, really small?¡
I am not sure that is the actual facility or the facility given as an example of small hydro on the oregon.gov web site. As far as the amount of energy that can be produced at a site, it depends on the water flow rate and the head (drop) of the water. You need a lot of flow if the drop is small but much less flow if the head is large. Equations for the power generated can be found here:
http://www.oregon.gov/energy/renew/pages/hydro/hydro_index.aspx
Here is part of his resopnse to an investor group when asked about Apples green initiatives. "If you want me to do things only for ROI reasons, you should get out of this stock." I'd say he's making things pretty clear.
Here is part of his resopnse to an investor group when asked about Apples green initiatives. "If you want me to do things only for ROI reasons, you should get out of this stock." I'd say he's making things pretty clear.
That is the problem with only including snippets of responses. You don't get the full picture. For example, Cook also said in the same response
"When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind," he said, "I don't consider the bloody ROI." He said that the same thing about environmental issues, worker safety, and other areas where Apple is a leader.
It should be noted that the NCPPR's proposal only received 2.95% of the vote. The proposal was purely political. Fringe political at that. Why must everything be political for some people? The Mac Observer posted a longer article about the exchange. You may want to read it.
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/tim-cook-soundly-rejects-politics-of-the-ncppr-suggests-group-sell-apples-s
Obfuscation, conflation, cherry-picking of data, mis-attributions, mis-information etc. are standard OP for the climate-skeptic/-denial crowd. Best not to try and engage them.
They're like the Hare Krishnas of science and public policy. They won't -- can't -- let go.
It was the first one I noticed. Mostly you get the Samsung fanbois being anti-Apple which, although disgusting of them to invade the site, is still on topic. But when you start going off topic and being purely political, it gets old. His footer made it all politics, no Apple.
YOU are probably one who would look at my handle and apply dispersions about it, but you would only show your ignorance because you do not know its meaning.
And my footer wasn't made by me, but I read it elsewhere and I thought it was funny because it's true. Yeah, it insinuates politics, but maybe if we had better governance the last decade, we'd have jobs, cash, and hope! And news flash... it had "Steve Jobs" in it and you can't get more Apple then that!
Finally, I don't recall seeing, and I went through all six pages of posts, your critique of AppleInsider posting a story about Tim Cook tweeting passage for the "Employee Non-Discrimination Act, a proposed bill that would make it illegal for companies to discriminate in hiring based on gender identity or sexual orientation." on Friday, April 11th.
Tim has every right to tweet his feelings and belief about the matter, I'm not arguing that, however, it had nothing to do with Apple, other than the poster's ID, and yet was posted on an Apple site and SILENCE from one DaveN. Tells me all I need to know.
And maybe if government didn't do stupid things like Solyndra and sending armed BLM after cattle ranchers while turning a blind eye to illegal border crossers as in "Control Our Borders, Not Our Ranchers", then there would be nothing for me to correlate to the AI's story and the poster who I commented on. Ever think about that?!?
If you were to look at ALL my posts on AI, I dare say .0000001% have reference to slight insinuations of the politics of the day. If AI had an issue they coulda, woulda, shoulda comment to me or censure me or whatever. However, I will not give up my Constitutional rights to have may say regardless of the end consequence that may befall me. I will not give up that right, not to AI and DEFINITELY not to you!
Lastly you say this isn't a place for such tidings. I believe you said it gets boring… I disagree that politics should only be talked about in political sites… I will leave the following in its original format, but believe me, I could get very political with all the junk currently going on!
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Count me amongst the climate-change questioners. The fact that the leading scientists informed us a few decades ago that we were entering an ice age gives me pause for thought. Climate is such a bloody complex thing. Maybe we're buggering it up; maybe there's a natural cycle. But we sure are buggering the environment, which is why I'm very pleased that Cook is taking such a strong lead in green energy. Amazon are particularly bad in relation.