Hey I love my new Mac Pro and FCPro X screams but Aperture? For me it is no faster than it was on my MBP i7 which I fitted with an SSD. Where are you seeing a speed increase and what are you comparing it to? I am really hoping many more apps are upgraded to take advantage of the new dual GPUs but so far Aperture, which I use every day with RAW and HD video, certainly isn't one of them so far ... unless you know something I don't.
I guess it depends on what you moved from. A mac mini that was cursed with problems (crucial SSD and 16 GB ram) but had to reinstall Mavericks every two restarts. Before that it was a 2010 27" iMac with spinning HDD.
My plugins are (NIK, Noiseware, etc.) are much improved and batch processing is awesome. Best feature is editing in Pixelmator for those special photos.
I guess it depends on what you moved from. A mac mini that was cursed with problems (crucial SSD and 16 GB ram) but had to reinstall Mavericks every two restarts. Before that it was a 2010 27" iMac with spinning HDD.
My plugins are (NIK, Noiseware, etc.) are much improved and batch processing is awesome. Best feature is editing in Pixelmator for those special photos.
I have to think Apple have a new Aperture X coming soon to really utilize the power we have now.
Just days after me any wizard were discussing why the heck Mac Pro ship times are still in weeks.
And to me this isn't really an improvement in shipping time at all. They have merely shifted the top and low end of numbers of weeks a little. By all means you still have to wait a month before you get one.
P.S - By the way is that photo really from Apple Press, surely it cant be right?
I seem to recall them mentioning how specific models are doing from time to time.
edit: From AppleInsider's Notes of Interest articles:
Q2-2014 — Apple cited strong performances from the MacBook Pro and MacBook Air.
Q1-2014 — iMac and MacBook Air saw particularly strong growth during the quarter.
Q1-2013 — Apple was "significantly constrained" of inventory of the new iMacs. Oppenheimer said the company believes Mac sales would have been "much higher" if not for those constraints.
He was asking for more detailed sales numbers which they rarely do for Macs. They might say something, but it's not detailed enough.
An example of a detailed number would be
Mac Pro sold x number of units
Mad mini sold x number of units
MacBook Air sold x number of units
Etc.
Generally speaking they don't consistently go through each model, they sometimes discuss it, but usually they don't.
I wish they released sales numbers in units by category and ave selling price since one can configure a Mac Pro, Mac mini, etc. any number of ways, but an average selling price and unit numbers would be really interesting to track, but they that internal.
But even if the performance gain for all tasks you require for your professional business is only 21% would that $3,000 (minus the resale value of your 2009 Mac Pro) pay for itself by being able process 21% more work in the same time frame as before. I know some people who work with video that would say that the Mac Pro would easily pay for itself within a couple weeks.
Final Cut Pro X at least for me was really the best way to benchmark the Mac Pro. Some are only seeing modest gains because the software is not taking advantage of the dual GPU configuration. As many know here this system is setup for heavy lifting and GPU's for years now have been configured to take much of the load off the CPU.
Having been a gamer for years I use to dual and in a few cases triple SLI Nvidia GPU's to get the performance I needed. Trying to keep it cool and keep the noise down was impossible without water cooling. Sounds funny to even say that these days.
I never owned the previous model so I had to try and look up solid benchmarks, while doing a 4K export test in Final Cut the speed is excellent. The software needs to be written to take advantage of the CPU cores and the dual GPU configuration. When that is achieved the performance increase is well over 125%.
The other concern I had was heat. Did a simple terminal prompt to stress all cores and the highest temp didn't exceed 113F- 45C. It would be a stretch to call that warm.
I'm a fairly new Final Cut Pro user, I doubt there is anything I can do to ever max out this system on the OSX side, hopefully for those that use more "pro" software they will truly take advantage of the dual GPU config, that is why they are there to take the load off the CPU.
It's nice to have a system like this that can also dual boot into Windows 8 and still have Crossfire enabled. The CPU only performance on this system isn't great compared to the pervious generation, a dual socket cpu option would have been nice for those that need it. I would also add OpenGL results need to be address. An Nvidia options would have been nice at least for some of my needs while using Windows.
I have to think Apple have a new Aperture X coming soon to really utilize the power we have now.
A new version of Aperture is welcome indeed. I liked the free upgrades we have gotten over the past four years but there is so much more a photo management and editing software tool can do.
A new version of Aperture is welcome indeed. I liked the free upgrades we have gotten over the past four years but there is so much more a photo management and editing software tool can do.
Have there been any rumors regarding a new Aperture? I don't remember seeing anything so far. I agree there is so much more they could do with Aperture as well as harnessing the dual GPU speed. Do you have a wish list? I'd like built in HDR tone mapping for multiple RAW images, there is a great company Apple could absorb that makes the plug in, and I'd like to see lens distortion and chromatic aberration controls. Also their iCloud sharing could do with more options. It's very useful for showing proofs to clients or personal portfolios but severely limited in how it can be set up, far more so than it used to be pre iCloud. I wouldn't mind if this was a paid service, if reasonable, as I realize it's a bit much to expect that part of the free storage system. Full support of embedding (as done so well by Google's YouTube) of any such published work would be fabulous. Apple has never really supported embedding iCloud served pages yet they were far ahead of the game the other way around when they added the HTML widget in iWeb to support that very feature what seems like decade(s) ago.
Have there been any rumors regarding a new Aperture? I don't remember seeing anything so far.
Me neither.
Do you have a wish list?
Personally I'd like for them to (amongst other stuff, but I don't have the time now):
finer control over storage location as I'm keeping all my photos in a managed lib and on SSD, but my videos go to HDD making it necessary for me to use a referenced lib for that. Well, it's all in 1 single library
way better integration with iCloud. There is a ton of work to be done here. If I have the time I'll make a list for just that
"Chuck, just shoot the promo material photo in your office on your iPhone. Marketing needs it yesterday! No need to Photoshop yourself out, takes too long!"
Do you not see the "appleinsider" watermark on the photo? It's not an Apple photo--Apple generally makes the MacPro look midnight black, not steel grey as AI correctly did. Apparently it's difficult to get the color right, pity that Apple can't seem to do so.
Do they ever break out the Macs by individual models in these reports?
Their SEC filings tend to have more details. They used to split desktops and laptops but eventually it reached over 75% laptops and they stopped doing that:
"The year-over-year growth in Mac net sales and unit sales for the second quarter and first six months of 2014 was driven by increased sales of MacBook Pro and MacBook Air . Mac ASPs decreased during the second quarter of 2014 and first six months of 2014 compared to the same periods in 2013 primarily due to price reductions on certain Mac models and the shift in mix towards Mac portable systems."
Their Mac unit volume was 4.1m units so at least 3.1m is laptops. The iMac makes up the majority of desktop units. The Mac Pro and mini make up a small portion. It could be 700k iMac, 150k mini and Pro. Given the minimum $3k price, 150k Mac Pros would account for over $450m revenue. I expected the Mac revenue would be $6b if the MP hit 200k units but it's hard to tell when the other products are in different parts of their upgrade cycles. Given the low revenue growth from last year, it looks as though the Mac Pro shipped under 150k units but it's unclear how much lower.
Whatever variation in the 50k-200k unit volume the MP reached, there's no way it would impact their revenue enough to be mentioned. Back in 2012, the laptops made $17b vs $6b desktops for the year and that has shifted more towards laptops over time so laptops will always be the revenue driver on the Mac side.
They built the Mac Pro as a favor to the Mac community, not as a means to drive revenues but it does maintain good margins so it's a good return on their investment. They'd have to sell 3 laptops to match the revenue they get from 1 Mac Pro and possibly more profit-wise.
Their SEC filings tend to have more details. They used to split desktops and laptops but eventually it reached over 75% laptops and they stopped doing that:
"The year-over-year growth in Mac net sales and unit sales for the second quarter and first six months of 2014 was driven by increased sales of MacBook Pro and MacBook Air . Mac ASPs decreased during the second quarter of 2014 and first six months of 2014 compared to the same periods in 2013 primarily due to price reductions on certain Mac models and the shift in mix towards Mac portable systems."
Their Mac unit volume was 4.1m units so at least 3.1m is laptops. The iMac makes up the majority of desktop units. The Mac Pro and mini make up a small portion. It could be 700k iMac, 150k mini and Pro. Given the minimum $3k price, 150k Mac Pros would account for over $450m revenue. I expected the Mac revenue would be $6b if the MP hit 200k units but it's hard to tell when the other products are in different parts of their upgrade cycles. Given the low revenue growth from last year, it looks as though the Mac Pro shipped under 150k units but it's unclear how much lower.
Whatever variation in the 50k-200k unit volume the MP reached, there's no way it would impact their revenue enough to be mentioned. Back in 2012, the laptops made $17b vs $6b desktops for the year and that has shifted more towards laptops over time so laptops will always be the revenue driver on the Mac side.
They built the Mac Pro as a favor to the Mac community, not as a means to drive revenues but it does maintain good margins so it's a good return on their investment. They'd have to sell 3 laptops to match the revenue they get from 1 Mac Pro and possibly more profit-wise.
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Hey I love my new Mac Pro and FCPro X screams but Aperture? For me it is no faster than it was on my MBP i7 which I fitted with an SSD. Where are you seeing a speed increase and what are you comparing it to? I am really hoping many more apps are upgraded to take advantage of the new dual GPUs but so far Aperture, which I use every day with RAW and HD video, certainly isn't one of them so far ... unless you know something I don't.
I guess it depends on what you moved from. A mac mini that was cursed with problems (crucial SSD and 16 GB ram) but had to reinstall Mavericks every two restarts. Before that it was a 2010 27" iMac with spinning HDD.
My plugins are (NIK, Noiseware, etc.) are much improved and batch processing is awesome. Best feature is editing in Pixelmator for those special photos.
I have to think Apple have a new Aperture X coming soon to really utilize the power we have now.
Just days after me any wizard were discussing why the heck Mac Pro ship times are still in weeks.
And to me this isn't really an improvement in shipping time at all. They have merely shifted the top and low end of numbers of weeks a little. By all means you still have to wait a month before you get one.
P.S - By the way is that photo really from Apple Press, surely it cant be right?
No, they don't normally break out sales by model, I wish they did.
He was asking for more detailed sales numbers which they rarely do for Macs. They might say something, but it's not detailed enough.
An example of a detailed number would be
Mac Pro sold x number of units
Mad mini sold x number of units
MacBook Air sold x number of units
Etc.
Generally speaking they don't consistently go through each model, they sometimes discuss it, but usually they don't.
I wish they released sales numbers in units by category and ave selling price since one can configure a Mac Pro, Mac mini, etc. any number of ways, but an average selling price and unit numbers would be really interesting to track, but they that internal.
There is so much more to performance than some Geekbench results. AnandTech has an excellent review of the new Mac Pro.
But even if the performance gain for all tasks you require for your professional business is only 21% would that $3,000 (minus the resale value of your 2009 Mac Pro) pay for itself by being able process 21% more work in the same time frame as before. I know some people who work with video that would say that the Mac Pro would easily pay for itself within a couple weeks.
Final Cut Pro X at least for me was really the best way to benchmark the Mac Pro. Some are only seeing modest gains because the software is not taking advantage of the dual GPU configuration. As many know here this system is setup for heavy lifting and GPU's for years now have been configured to take much of the load off the CPU.
Having been a gamer for years I use to dual and in a few cases triple SLI Nvidia GPU's to get the performance I needed. Trying to keep it cool and keep the noise down was impossible without water cooling. Sounds funny to even say that these days.
I never owned the previous model so I had to try and look up solid benchmarks, while doing a 4K export test in Final Cut the speed is excellent. The software needs to be written to take advantage of the CPU cores and the dual GPU configuration. When that is achieved the performance increase is well over 125%.
The other concern I had was heat. Did a simple terminal prompt to stress all cores and the highest temp didn't exceed 113F- 45C. It would be a stretch to call that warm.
I'm a fairly new Final Cut Pro user, I doubt there is anything I can do to ever max out this system on the OSX side, hopefully for those that use more "pro" software they will truly take advantage of the dual GPU config, that is why they are there to take the load off the CPU.
It's nice to have a system like this that can also dual boot into Windows 8 and still have Crossfire enabled. The CPU only performance on this system isn't great compared to the pervious generation, a dual socket cpu option would have been nice for those that need it. I would also add OpenGL results need to be address. An Nvidia options would have been nice at least for some of my needs while using Windows.
Overall great system.
Not from Apple, no. It was taken by AI staff, possibly Mikey Campbell himself as they received their order at the beginning of this year:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/01/09/review-apples-redesigned-late-2013-mac-pro
They also reviewed that 32" Sharp 4k display, which displays that cloud picture on their dekstop:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/03/23/review-sharps-32-4k-display-proves-is-all-performance
A new version of Aperture is welcome indeed. I liked the free upgrades we have gotten over the past four years but there is so much more a photo management and editing software tool can do.
Mac Pro sales doing poorly.
Have there been any rumors regarding a new Aperture? I don't remember seeing anything so far. I agree there is so much more they could do with Aperture as well as harnessing the dual GPU speed. Do you have a wish list? I'd like built in HDR tone mapping for multiple RAW images, there is a great company Apple could absorb that makes the plug in, and I'd like to see lens distortion and chromatic aberration controls. Also their iCloud sharing could do with more options. It's very useful for showing proofs to clients or personal portfolios but severely limited in how it can be set up, far more so than it used to be pre iCloud. I wouldn't mind if this was a paid service, if reasonable, as I realize it's a bit much to expect that part of the free storage system. Full support of embedding (as done so well by Google's YouTube) of any such published work would be fabulous. Apple has never really supported embedding iCloud served pages yet they were far ahead of the game the other way around when they added the HTML widget in iWeb to support that very feature what seems like decade(s) ago.
Me neither.
Personally I'd like for them to (amongst other stuff, but I don't have the time now):
In the meantime, read what others would like:
https://www.apertureexpert.com/forum/aperture-wish-list/13329#.U1pcS14WcfY
Agreed wholeheartedly.
Wow, Apple's photo budget is getting trimmed.
"Chuck, just shoot the promo material photo in your office on your iPhone. Marketing needs it yesterday! No need to Photoshop yourself out, takes too long!"
Do you not see the "appleinsider" watermark on the photo? It's not an Apple photo--Apple generally makes the MacPro look midnight black, not steel grey as AI correctly did. Apparently it's difficult to get the color right, pity that Apple can't seem to do so.
Their SEC filings tend to have more details. They used to split desktops and laptops but eventually it reached over 75% laptops and they stopped doing that:
"The year-over-year growth in Mac net sales and unit sales for the second quarter and first six months of 2014 was driven by increased sales of MacBook Pro and MacBook Air . Mac ASPs decreased during the second quarter of 2014 and first six months of 2014 compared to the same periods in 2013 primarily due to price reductions on certain Mac models and the shift in mix towards Mac portable systems."
Their Mac unit volume was 4.1m units so at least 3.1m is laptops. The iMac makes up the majority of desktop units. The Mac Pro and mini make up a small portion. It could be 700k iMac, 150k mini and Pro. Given the minimum $3k price, 150k Mac Pros would account for over $450m revenue. I expected the Mac revenue would be $6b if the MP hit 200k units but it's hard to tell when the other products are in different parts of their upgrade cycles. Given the low revenue growth from last year, it looks as though the Mac Pro shipped under 150k units but it's unclear how much lower.
Whatever variation in the 50k-200k unit volume the MP reached, there's no way it would impact their revenue enough to be mentioned. Back in 2012, the laptops made $17b vs $6b desktops for the year and that has shifted more towards laptops over time so laptops will always be the revenue driver on the Mac side.
They built the Mac Pro as a favor to the Mac community, not as a means to drive revenues but it does maintain good margins so it's a good return on their investment. They'd have to sell 3 laptops to match the revenue they get from 1 Mac Pro and possibly more profit-wise.
Thanks for that info.