This sestewart guy MUST be a joke poster. It's scary those can be the actual, genuine thoughts of a sane human being.
"Single-point of failure"? Are you fucking for real? I guess notebooks should have redundant motherboards, CPUS, SSDs. screens, bluetooth and wifi receivers, touchpads, keybaords, and ports- cause all those things can fail. Why stop at 2? Why not 3 of each? You never know, right?
I can't fucking believe you're referring to "single point of failure" on mobile products. These are not spaceships or planes. You're not gonna have redundant systems and hardware. It makes absolutely no financial, manufacturing, or physical sense. I've owned multiple macs and I've never had a NIC die on me. Does not seem like a common enough situation to require "redundant" options. Your scenarios are absolutely laughable, as is your logic.
The price point for a plastic, bare bones mac should be 500-600$. Yet Apple still thinks they can be a PC competitor by having a high priced product, and then take everything out of it that people use daily. Currently, only ONE Macbook product comes with an ethernet port! IF everything's supposed to be cloud based, I would like to hard wire my Mac for streaming movies without the lag of wireless due to interference. Is it really that costly to include a gigabit ethernet port on a computer these days??
Except Apple doesn't seem to think that a plastic, bare bones mac needs to be offered. Not at $500 or anything else.
You assume that Apple intends to be a "PC competitor", which I suppose would predicate meeting typical hardware and software specs. Apple's more successful offering what they figure that users will want to use, and if it competes with PCs in general, that's cool. But it's not necessary.
Most users will have no use at all for an ethernet port, why should they pay for adding one to the design? Those who do want to add the ports can do it with a Thunderbolt adapter, if not a USB equivalent.
No, MacBook Air = Netbook. Call it what you want, but its just a simple netbook. I know this pisses people off and I'm an idiot, but really thats all it is, especially the 11" MBA.
With the subtle difference that it's actually a usable machine, without most of the disadvantages and compromises of netbooks (the which pretty much everyone else has quit making).
I hope we see Apple switch the MacBook Air and the Mac mini to ARM A7 CPUs. I also hope we see Apple tap Intel to manufacture these ARM CPUs. This would hopefully allow Apple to 1) lower the price of their consumer Macs 2) pave the way to eliminating Samsung as a CPU supplier 3) bring more manufacturing back to the USA.
This sestewart guy MUST be a joke poster. It's scary those can be the actual, genuine thoughts of a sane human being.
"Single-point of failure"? Are you fucking for real? I guess notebooks should have redundant motherboards, CPUS, SSDs. screens, bluetooth and wifi receivers, touchpads, keybaords, and ports- cause all those things can fail. Why stop at 2? Why not 3 of each? You never know, right?
I can't fucking believe you're referring to "single point of failure" on mobile products. These are not spaceships or planes. You're not gonna have redundant systems and hardware. It makes absolutely no financial, manufacturing, or physical sense. I've owned multiple macs and I've never had a NIC die on me. Does not seem like a common enough situation to require "redundant" options. Your scenarios are absolutely laughable, as is your logic.
Of course, we do need backup solutions. But other than that, other than professionally, it generally not a problem.
I hope we see Apple switch the MacBook Air and the Mac mini to ARM A7 CPUs.
I also hope we see Apple tap Intel to manufacture these ARM CPUs.
This would hopefully allow Apple to
1) lower the price of their consumer Macs
2) pave the way to eliminating Samsung as a CPU supplier
3) bring more manufacturing back to the USA.
Instead of Apple having 95% of PC sales above $1,000, they will now have 95% of PC sales above $900.
Just that little bit of creep downward will terrify everyone else, but it’s not a market destroyer.
15" tends to be a very popular notebook size. Apple's sales are presumably more concentrated around the 13" size. They now have a viable (not ideal given the 128GB ssd but still viable) 13" option below $1000, which may have been the primary goal.
Um, wasn't the MacBook Air already in this segment at $999?
If anything, the real story is that they now have two models (11" and 13") in this segment. Not to mention that the price drop was on all models. So they brought down the 256GB SSD models to $1,099 and $1,199. It will be interesting to see how the price mix changes as people move up Market to the Mac.
The price is faily competitive considering a Sony with a much smaller SSD goes for around $700. Suspect that they will continue to drive sales upward with this price drop. It really looks like Apple is going after market share here.
Or you could just say WiFi doesn't work that well compared to wire Ethernet. Of course dozens will chime in telling you how well it works for them which may be true but if you are working with lots of data it is slow and unreliable.
Well, OK.. what happens with your single point of failure wireless NIC dies on you? You're left with a computer that can't talk to the internet, without using some USB dongle work around, instead of native hardware.
Having alternate ways to connect to the internet isn't being stuck in the past.. it's called preparing for outages, and allowing longer life to a product.
As to the optical drives, perhaps you want to burn a DVD or video from your iPhone to a disk to give to a family member. What now? Oh.. I should have bought that 150$ super-drive that's slower than a PC counterpart. Superdrives and ZIP Drives were the hit rage of the 90's with 120MB storage floppy disks. I remember having one for the first blueberry iMac because Apple took away the floppy disk drive.
Or you could just say WiFi doesn't work that well compared to wire Ethernet. Of course dozens will chime in telling you how well it works for them which may be true but if you are working with lots of data it is slow and unreliable.
Or you could tell him to just use Ethernet which is still available for every Mac.
for 600$, you can get a nice PC laptop that still has optical drives and twice the memory space.
No doubt. If you measure value by the gigabyte and gigahertz, I'm sure there are cheap laptops that will offer more specs for your money. Buy it, if that's what you want.
But news flash: some people--call them ordinary people who aren't geeks--choose a Mac laptop because its a really nice consumer product. Something that looks stylish, feels solid, and says something about the affluence of its user. But geeks don't get that. It's all about Crysis benchmarks per dollar.
Apple seems to be stuck in the idea that everything will remain server side with cloud services, and computing will stay in the dumb terminal phase in the long run wit these products.
Yes, Apple is "stuck".
But somehow, when Google and Microsoft pursue the same strategy, they're forward thinking and innovative, right?
Did you miss the fact that Microsoft wants to be a devices and services company, and bet their future on cloud connected devices like Surface?
Did you miss Intel's shameless plugging of legacy-free Ultrabooks that are clones of the MacBook Air?
The iPad is already slumping in sales, because people are not interested in buying a new tablet every 2 years like a phone. PCs should last a decent 5-6 years before needing replaced, even longer now that the wear on PCs is being shifted to tablets and phones.
So it's bad if iPads don't need to be replaced every 2 years, then you tout that PC laptops don't need to be replaced in 5-6 years?
Why is that bad for Apple ("slumping sales") but not equally bad PC laptop makers? Don't trip while you are moving the goalposts.
The price point for a plastic, bare bones mac should be 500-600$. Yet Apple still thinks they can be a PC competitor by having a high priced product, and then take everything out of it that people use daily. Currently, only ONE Macbook product comes with an ethernet port! IF everything's supposed to be cloud based, I would like to hard wire my Mac for streaming movies without the lag of wireless due to interference. Is it really that costly to include a gigabit ethernet port on a computer these days??
Hilarious. I can hard wire my MacBook Air to Ethernet. You seem hung up about connectors not being internal to a laptop. It's just you.
I hope we see Apple switch the MacBook Air and the Mac mini to ARM A7 CPUs.
Well, I'd like to see what Apple does with A8 and have that plugged into a laptop machine, maybe even a desktop. However it needs to run today's Mac OS.
I also hope we see Apple tap Intel to manufacture these ARM CPUs.
This would hopefully allow Apple to
However in the context of using Intel the reasoning below is somewhat bogus.
1) lower the price of their consumer Macs
Not really, Intel has high overhead, I can't see them competeing with silicon foundries that well. I doubt that they could even be price competitive with global foundries in Saratoga.
2) pave the way to eliminating Samsung as a CPU supplier
That isn't the big deal many make it out to be.
3) bring more manufacturing back to the USA.
Samsungs factory making Apple chips is in Texas, I'm rather shocked to see that people still don't grasp that A7 is US made. Frankly if they went Intel the chip could end up being produced anywhere in the world.
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The chart adds up to 101%. Probably a rounding error.
This sestewart guy MUST be a joke poster. It's scary those can be the actual, genuine thoughts of a sane human being.
"Single-point of failure"? Are you fucking for real? I guess notebooks should have redundant motherboards, CPUS, SSDs. screens, bluetooth and wifi receivers, touchpads, keybaords, and ports- cause all those things can fail. Why stop at 2? Why not 3 of each? You never know, right?
I can't fucking believe you're referring to "single point of failure" on mobile products. These are not spaceships or planes. You're not gonna have redundant systems and hardware. It makes absolutely no financial, manufacturing, or physical sense. I've owned multiple macs and I've never had a NIC die on me. Does not seem like a common enough situation to require "redundant" options. Your scenarios are absolutely laughable, as is your logic.
Who's really stuck in the past?
You.
The price point for a plastic, bare bones mac should be 500-600$. Yet Apple still thinks they can be a PC competitor by having a high priced product, and then take everything out of it that people use daily. Currently, only ONE Macbook product comes with an ethernet port! IF everything's supposed to be cloud based, I would like to hard wire my Mac for streaming movies without the lag of wireless due to interference. Is it really that costly to include a gigabit ethernet port on a computer these days??
Except Apple doesn't seem to think that a plastic, bare bones mac needs to be offered. Not at $500 or anything else.
You assume that Apple intends to be a "PC competitor", which I suppose would predicate meeting typical hardware and software specs. Apple's more successful offering what they figure that users will want to use, and if it competes with PCs in general, that's cool. But it's not necessary.
Most users will have no use at all for an ethernet port, why should they pay for adding one to the design? Those who do want to add the ports can do it with a Thunderbolt adapter, if not a USB equivalent.
No, MacBook Air = Netbook. Call it what you want, but its just a simple netbook. I know this pisses people off and I'm an idiot, but really thats all it is, especially the 11" MBA.
With the subtle difference that it's actually a usable machine, without most of the disadvantages and compromises of netbooks (the which pretty much everyone else has quit making).
I also hope we see Apple tap Intel to manufacture these ARM CPUs.
This would hopefully allow Apple to
1) lower the price of their consumer Macs
2) pave the way to eliminating Samsung as a CPU supplier
3) bring more manufacturing back to the USA.
Of course, we do need backup solutions. But other than that, other than professionally, it generally not a problem.
Impossible!
Instead of Apple having 95% of PC sales above $1,000, they will now have 95% of PC sales above $900.
Just that little bit of creep downward will terrify everyone else, but it’s not a market destroyer.
15" tends to be a very popular notebook size. Apple's sales are presumably more concentrated around the 13" size. They now have a viable (not ideal given the 128GB ssd but still viable) 13" option below $1000, which may have been the primary goal.
I always find comments that imply an exclusion is due to cost without considering any other factors amusing.
[QUOTE]The amount of trolling on AI amazes me. [/QUOTE]
LOL Calling someone a troll for informing of a Mac that is sold in the price range you requested is ludicrous.
Why wouldn't you want this year's ARM chip?
The price is faily competitive considering a Sony with a much smaller SSD goes for around $700. Suspect that they will continue to drive sales upward with this price drop. It really looks like Apple is going after market share here.
Cheap no but much more competitive pricing. These machine could be a big draw for people looking at similar hardware from other manufactures.
Or you could tell him to just use Ethernet which is still available for every Mac.
No doubt. If you measure value by the gigabyte and gigahertz, I'm sure there are cheap laptops that will offer more specs for your money. Buy it, if that's what you want.
But news flash: some people--call them ordinary people who aren't geeks--choose a Mac laptop because its a really nice consumer product. Something that looks stylish, feels solid, and says something about the affluence of its user. But geeks don't get that. It's all about Crysis benchmarks per dollar.
Yes, Apple is "stuck".
But somehow, when Google and Microsoft pursue the same strategy, they're forward thinking and innovative, right?
Did you miss the fact that Microsoft wants to be a devices and services company, and bet their future on cloud connected devices like Surface?
Did you miss Intel's shameless plugging of legacy-free Ultrabooks that are clones of the MacBook Air?
So it's bad if iPads don't need to be replaced every 2 years, then you tout that PC laptops don't need to be replaced in 5-6 years?
Why is that bad for Apple ("slumping sales") but not equally bad PC laptop makers? Don't trip while you are moving the goalposts.
Hilarious. I can hard wire my MacBook Air to Ethernet. You seem hung up about connectors not being internal to a laptop. It's just you.
What is your definition of a netbook?
I'm surprised nobody has asked you before.
I think the idea of hooking up wired ethernet to a sub-notebook computer is hilarious. Maybe necessary sometimes, but still hilarious.
I can't help but think the same. Wireless is so fast these days. And the cable and port are miniscule. ;-)