Amazing, OS X does not run on my G3 like I think it should so apple owes me "the purchase price of the G3-based systems affected as well as the costs of upgrading to Mac OS X 10.0 and 10.1; incidental and consequential damages (including the price of accessories and software); and other costs."
Let's sum that up please:
1) My money back on my current computer.
2) My Money back for OS X and X.1
3) Whatever I spent for any accessories or hardware for my computer.
3) Any money I may have spent on software on my computer.
4)Whatever other money for whatever else I cn come up with.
Apple didn't deliver what they said the were. They said that systems are supported and they are not. Features that Apple claims are "core technologies" are non functional on many "supported" systems. Ergo Apple sold software that dose not do what Apple claims it does.
Quartz, OpenGL, QuickTime, and other "core technologies" all function on Mac OS X. Graphics acceleration, DVD Playback, and other issues raised in the article have all been pre-Mac OS X issues. From this article alone, this man has no case.
Scott H., Applenut, do you see this?
Could I sue Apple because they took the Control Strip and Application Switcher out of OS 9? I really want my Platinum interface back...can I sue for that?
jackass. we have asked nicely, we have begged, we have screamed. apple is the good feel pro customer BS you think they are. wake up. Apple had this coming. and if tradition continues, this guy will win and apple will give in</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple will win this case because there is no case. How can a law firm dictate to a computer company on how to run update cycles and have certain support features?
Apple had this coming? The users of that old hardware had this coming. Apple, give in?
Apple cut off clones while managing not to be sued. Tell me how they did that one.
but this lawsuit overall is a good thing. it may have some dumb points but overall it serves a good purpose even if some of you aren't affected or just are too pro-apple to admit that some of their recent actions have been really crappy.
take a system like the PowerMac G3 Beige which is "supported"
serial
scsi
floppy drive
opengl acceleration
qt acceleration
audio/video in
dvd personality card
all don't work in OS X. that's not supported.. sorry. I know a ton of you will respond that OS X runs on it and therefore is supported but that's just a bullshit arguement and if it ever happened with... oh I don't know... MS... you all would be crying apple
but this lawsuit overall is a good thing. it may have some dumb points but overall it serves a good purpose even if some of you aren't affected or just are too pro-apple to admit that some of their recent actions have been really crappy.
take a system like the PowerMac G3 Beige which is "supported"
serial
scsi
floppy drive
opengl acceleration
qt acceleration
audio/video in
dvd personality card
all don't work in OS X. that's not supported.. sorry. I know a ton of you will respond that OS X runs on it and therefore is supported but that's just a bullshit arguement and if it ever happened with... oh I don't know... MS... you all would be crying apple</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why would you run OS X on a Beige G3, it defeats the purpose.
<strong>Avoiding the question are you? <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
no, there is no question... you made a dumb statement... especially dumb coming from a "mac lover" like you.... no need to take it further or give it more attention... its just dumb
why bother talking to applenut, he's just an ignorant jackass.
no point having a discussion with an idiot. you can spell it out, draw it out, even put it into simple, one syllable words, and they're still an idiot who won't be able to tell their a**hole from a hole in the ground.
<strong>why bother talking to applenut, he's just an ignorant jackass.
no point having a discussion with an idiot. you can spell it out, draw it out, even put it into simple, one syllable words, and they're still an idiot who won't be able to tell their a**hole from a hole in the ground.
save your breath, he's just a moron.</strong><hr></blockquote>
yea what he said
nice of you to add something to the discussion asshole.
another thing to take note of is that I think both the iBook 366 and iBook 466 SE also do not have opengl hardware acceleration an qt acceleration and they were still selling from apple when OS X was released
[quote]Why would you run OS X on a Beige G3, it defeats the purpose.<hr></blockquote>I'm with applenut on this one, that's just a fscking stupid statement.
Defeats the purpose? What purpose would that be? To give Apple as much of your money as possible?
The "purpose" of running OSX on a beige g3 is to get the 10 years too late, modern operating system that mac users deserve.
The "purpose" is to be able to keep up with technology on a "supported" system without spending $1800 for acceptable performance.
The "purpose" is to be able to use something that you dropped probably $2k - $3k on for more than 3 years.
dvd personality card - doesn't work with DVD Player 2.0 or better.
Unfortunate, but still. Nobody forces anybody to buy OS X. OS X comes with OS 9.2.1. What's the problem? Features are missing? Can I sue because software functionality is taken away? Can I sue Roxio because Toast Titanium for OS X doesn't recognize my SCSI CD-R drive?
applenut, you're one of those little pale stick boys who sits on the other side of his computer screen dreaming about what a big man he is.
you have a lot of stupid one-liners and inane blather you like to spread around, but you don't really ever say anything.
you like to talk it up like you're a badass, but if you said half of this crap to people's faces they pop you upside the head and treat you like the bitch you are.
you're pathetic.
you were more mature 2 years ago than you are now. that's really, really sad.
dvd personality card - doesn't work with DVD Player 2.0 or better.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
qt acceleration has been a feature of all ati chips since at least the rage pro and I think the rage IIc. I don't see how you never had it. OpenGL from apple has worked on the rage pro as well.
you're dvd player uses the 1.x versions of dvd player and updates were made to the 1.x series even after 2.0 was released. the number differentiation was meant to show the difference in the processing of decoding hardware vs software not neccessarily as a replacement
[quote]
Unfortunate, but still. Nobody forces anybody to buy OS X. OS X comes with OS 9.2.1. What's the problem? Features are missing? Can I sue because software functionality is taken away? Can I sue Roxio because Toast Titanium for OS X doesn't recognize my SCSI CD-R drive?<hr></blockquote>
did they make andd sell you the SCSI CD-R? no. the things mentioned are basic things to consider a machine "supported". Yes you can sue if software functionality is taken away if the features were promised or expected to be there.
[quote]applenut, you're one of those little pale stick boys who sits on the other side of his computer screen dreaming about what a big man he is.<hr></blockquote>
you have a lot of stupid one-liners and inane blather you like to spread around, but you don't really ever say anything.<hr></blockquote>
yep, believe what you want
[quote]
you like to talk it up like you're a badass, but if you said half of this crap to people's faces they pop you upside the head and treat you like the bitch you are.<hr></blockquote>
the joys of the internet, huh.
and I would likely kick most ya asses here
[quote]
you're pathetic.<hr></blockquote>
thank you.. you're certainly not helping your image
[quote]
you were more mature 2 years ago than you are now. that's really, really sad. <hr></blockquote>
thank you.. I'll take not of that.
BTW, nice to see you can stick to the topic... love the affection but there are other things in life than me baby
<strong>I'm with applenut on this one, that's just a fscking stupid statement.
Defeats the purpose? What purpose would that be? To give Apple as much of your money as possible?
The "purpose" of running OSX on a beige g3 is to get the 10 years too late, modern operating system that mac users deserve.
The "purpose" is to be able to keep up with technology on a "supported" system without spending $1800 for acceptable performance.
The "purpose" is to be able to use something that you dropped probably $2k - $3k on for more than 3 years.
Does that clarify the "purpose" for you?</strong><hr></blockquote>
So, OS X is 10 years too late? You mean the same modern operating system called OS X would have been possible 10 years ago on 10 year old hardware. Please.
OS X is here now, not 10 years ago. Just because Apple could not commit to an operating system strategy before Steve Jobs came back to Apple does not mean that OS X is too late. Look at Windows XP, a company like M$ cant even outdo a tiny company like Apple. Your point about OS X being too late is outrageous.
All of the systems not supported by Apple are better off using what they can. A G3 333, like my iBook is not supported and I understand why. It is just slow.
Get over it, upgrade. If you cant dont complain about something that would just bog down your slow computer anyway.
I am sorry, I really am but upgrading is necessary once every 2-4 years.
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Let's sum that up please:
1) My money back on my current computer.
2) My Money back for OS X and X.1
3) Whatever I spent for any accessories or hardware for my computer.
3) Any money I may have spent on software on my computer.
4)Whatever other money for whatever else I cn come up with.
Did I miss anything?
Applenut, how again is this a fair lawsuit?
Scott H., Applenut, do you see this?
Could I sue Apple because they took the Control Strip and Application Switcher out of OS 9? I really want my Platinum interface back...can I sue for that?
[ 02-01-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
<strong>
jackass. we have asked nicely, we have begged, we have screamed. apple is the good feel pro customer BS you think they are. wake up. Apple had this coming. and if tradition continues, this guy will win and apple will give in</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple will win this case because there is no case. How can a law firm dictate to a computer company on how to run update cycles and have certain support features?
Apple had this coming? The users of that old hardware had this coming. Apple, give in?
Apple cut off clones while managing not to be sued. Tell me how they did that one.
<a href="http://www.np.edu.sg/~pcb/macnp/events"; target="_blank">http://www.np.edu.sg/~pcb/macnp/events</a>;
Click on the clon liscensing link at the bottom right of the page..wait a few secs...see the man himself explain things like this.
but this lawsuit overall is a good thing. it may have some dumb points but overall it serves a good purpose even if some of you aren't affected or just are too pro-apple to admit that some of their recent actions have been really crappy.
take a system like the PowerMac G3 Beige which is "supported"
serial
scsi
floppy drive
opengl acceleration
qt acceleration
audio/video in
dvd personality card
all don't work in OS X. that's not supported.. sorry. I know a ton of you will respond that OS X runs on it and therefore is supported but that's just a bullshit arguement and if it ever happened with... oh I don't know... MS... you all would be crying apple
<strong>apologies for being harsh
but this lawsuit overall is a good thing. it may have some dumb points but overall it serves a good purpose even if some of you aren't affected or just are too pro-apple to admit that some of their recent actions have been really crappy.
take a system like the PowerMac G3 Beige which is "supported"
serial
scsi
floppy drive
opengl acceleration
qt acceleration
audio/video in
dvd personality card
all don't work in OS X. that's not supported.. sorry. I know a ton of you will respond that OS X runs on it and therefore is supported but that's just a bullshit arguement and if it ever happened with... oh I don't know... MS... you all would be crying apple</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why would you run OS X on a Beige G3, it defeats the purpose.
<strong>
Why would you run OS X on a Beige G3, it defeats the purpose.</strong><hr></blockquote>
it's a waste of time dealing with you. next please
<strong>Avoiding the question are you? <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
no, there is no question... you made a dumb statement... especially dumb coming from a "mac lover" like you.... no need to take it further or give it more attention... its just dumb
no point having a discussion with an idiot. you can spell it out, draw it out, even put it into simple, one syllable words, and they're still an idiot who won't be able to tell their a**hole from a hole in the ground.
save your breath, he's just a moron.
<strong>why bother talking to applenut, he's just an ignorant jackass.
no point having a discussion with an idiot. you can spell it out, draw it out, even put it into simple, one syllable words, and they're still an idiot who won't be able to tell their a**hole from a hole in the ground.
save your breath, he's just a moron.</strong><hr></blockquote>
yea what he said
nice of you to add something to the discussion asshole.
but then again, when do you ever
Go AN!
nice of you to add something to the discussion asshole.
but then again, when do you ever<hr></blockquote>
lol, irony is lost on this putz.
Defeats the purpose? What purpose would that be? To give Apple as much of your money as possible?
The "purpose" of running OSX on a beige g3 is to get the 10 years too late, modern operating system that mac users deserve.
The "purpose" is to be able to keep up with technology on a "supported" system without spending $1800 for acceptable performance.
The "purpose" is to be able to use something that you dropped probably $2k - $3k on for more than 3 years.
Does that clarify the "purpose" for you?
<strong>
lol, irony is lost on this putz.</strong><hr></blockquote>
yep, sure is
scsi
floppy drive
opengl acceleration
qt acceleration
audio/video in
dvd personality card<hr></blockquote>
I own a Beige G3.
SCSI works
floppy drive support - gone
a/v in - gone
opengl acceleration - never had it
qt acceleration - never had it
dvd personality card - doesn't work with DVD Player 2.0 or better.
Unfortunate, but still. Nobody forces anybody to buy OS X. OS X comes with OS 9.2.1. What's the problem? Features are missing? Can I sue because software functionality is taken away? Can I sue Roxio because Toast Titanium for OS X doesn't recognize my SCSI CD-R drive?
you have a lot of stupid one-liners and inane blather you like to spread around, but you don't really ever say anything.
you like to talk it up like you're a badass, but if you said half of this crap to people's faces they pop you upside the head and treat you like the bitch you are.
you're pathetic.
you were more mature 2 years ago than you are now. that's really, really sad.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>
I own a Beige G3.
SCSI works
floppy drive support - gone
a/v in - gone
opengl acceleration - never had it
qt acceleration - never had it
dvd personality card - doesn't work with DVD Player 2.0 or better.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
qt acceleration has been a feature of all ati chips since at least the rage pro and I think the rage IIc. I don't see how you never had it. OpenGL from apple has worked on the rage pro as well.
you're dvd player uses the 1.x versions of dvd player and updates were made to the 1.x series even after 2.0 was released. the number differentiation was meant to show the difference in the processing of decoding hardware vs software not neccessarily as a replacement
[quote]
Unfortunate, but still. Nobody forces anybody to buy OS X. OS X comes with OS 9.2.1. What's the problem? Features are missing? Can I sue because software functionality is taken away? Can I sue Roxio because Toast Titanium for OS X doesn't recognize my SCSI CD-R drive?<hr></blockquote>
did they make andd sell you the SCSI CD-R? no. the things mentioned are basic things to consider a machine "supported". Yes you can sue if software functionality is taken away if the features were promised or expected to be there.
[quote]applenut, you're one of those little pale stick boys who sits on the other side of his computer screen dreaming about what a big man he is.<hr></blockquote>
uh... relatively tanned, 6'2" 190lbs.... but yea <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
[quote]
you have a lot of stupid one-liners and inane blather you like to spread around, but you don't really ever say anything.<hr></blockquote>
yep, believe what you want
[quote]
you like to talk it up like you're a badass, but if you said half of this crap to people's faces they pop you upside the head and treat you like the bitch you are.<hr></blockquote>
the joys of the internet, huh.
and I would likely kick most ya asses here
[quote]
you're pathetic.<hr></blockquote>
thank you.. you're certainly not helping your image
[quote]
you were more mature 2 years ago than you are now. that's really, really sad. <hr></blockquote>
thank you.. I'll take not of that.
BTW, nice to see you can stick to the topic... love the affection but there are other things in life than me baby
<strong>I'm with applenut on this one, that's just a fscking stupid statement.
Defeats the purpose? What purpose would that be? To give Apple as much of your money as possible?
The "purpose" of running OSX on a beige g3 is to get the 10 years too late, modern operating system that mac users deserve.
The "purpose" is to be able to keep up with technology on a "supported" system without spending $1800 for acceptable performance.
The "purpose" is to be able to use something that you dropped probably $2k - $3k on for more than 3 years.
Does that clarify the "purpose" for you?</strong><hr></blockquote>
So, OS X is 10 years too late? You mean the same modern operating system called OS X would have been possible 10 years ago on 10 year old hardware. Please.
OS X is here now, not 10 years ago. Just because Apple could not commit to an operating system strategy before Steve Jobs came back to Apple does not mean that OS X is too late. Look at Windows XP, a company like M$ cant even outdo a tiny company like Apple. Your point about OS X being too late is outrageous.
All of the systems not supported by Apple are better off using what they can. A G3 333, like my iBook is not supported and I understand why. It is just slow.
Get over it, upgrade. If you cant dont complain about something that would just bog down your slow computer anyway.
I am sorry, I really am but upgrading is necessary once every 2-4 years.
[ 02-01-2002: Message edited by: Macintosh ]</p>