Google reportedly looking into Dropcam acquisition as foray into home surveillance

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  • Reply 21 of 36
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,677member
    Will the patent expire or will Google's exclusive use of the patent expire?

    It's not Google's patent and their grant of "exclusive use" from the patent owner (Stanford) expired several years ago in 2011 AFAIK. The patent itself is slated to expire in 2016.
  • Reply 22 of 36
    leavingthebiggleavingthebigg Posts: 1,291member
    Will the patent expire or will Google's exclusive use of the patent expire?

    Answering my own question... According to information published in google's 2009 10K filing...

    The first version of the PageRank technology was created while Larry and Sergey attended Stanford University, which owns a patent to PageRank. The PageRank patent expires in 2017. We hold a perpetual license to this patent. In October 2003, we extended our exclusivity period to this patent through 2011, at which point our license will become non-exclusive.

    So, did Google extend the exclusivity period beyond 2011?

    More research needs to be done!
  • Reply 23 of 36
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,677member
    Answering my own question... According to information published in google's 2009 10K filing...

    The first version of the PageRank technology was created while Larry and Sergey attended Stanford University, which owns a patent to PageRank. The PageRank patent expires in 2017. We hold a perpetual license to this patent. In October 2003, we extended our exclusivity period to this patent through 2011, at which point our license will become non-exclusive.

    So, did Google extend the exclusivity period beyond 2011?

    More research needs to be done!

    Thanks! So it expires in 2017 and not 2016. In any event neither the expiring patent or a loss of exclusivity to it will have any effect whatsoever on Google's business IMO. For a really good discussion of how things currently stand you can have a read at SEObytheSea. The guy is really knowledgeable and very familiar with Google's search policies and methods.

    http://www.seobythesea.com/2012/03/new-pagerank-same-as-old-pagerank/
  • Reply 24 of 36
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,677member
    rogifan wrote: »
    Does Google actually develop any of their own stuff or do they just buy everything?

    FWIW supposed Dropcam sources are saying Apple is also interested in a possible purchase of their company.
  • Reply 25 of 36
    feynmanfeynman Posts: 1,087member
    Big brother is watching.
  • Reply 26 of 36
    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    FWIW supposed Dropcam sources are saying Apple is also interested in a possible purchase of their company.

     

    Yeah, there's some stuff rumored now in the home automation arena for Apple as well. This fits right in.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/27/your_home_in_cupertino_apple_plots_home_automation_entry/

  • Reply 27 of 36
    paul94544paul94544 Posts: 1,027member
    Another reason why my choice of never buying/using anything from Google is valid. Why would I want Google selling information about what I have or do in my home in my home to the highest bidder?

    Google is doomed

    Anti-google/facebook monitoring tools Ghostery and Adaware
  • Reply 28 of 36
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,677member
    paul94544 wrote: »
    Another reason why my choice of never buying/using anything from Google is valid. Why would I want Google selling information about what I have or do in my home in my home to the highest bidder?

    Google is doomed

    Anti-google/facebook monitoring tools Ghostery and Adaware

    No one would want that. That's why Google can be trusted to keep it as secure as Apple or Microsoft as their business is not aggregating and selling personal information. They offer ad placement and assist with directing "interested :\ " web visitors to drop by some website. In fact they'd be doing immense harm to their own business if they sold what they know about you, a great reason to protect any personal data they have like the crown jewels.

    The collecting and reselling of your data is done by the multitude of companies tracking your social site posts and blog visits and recording your interests, oft-times connecting to your real name, address and family dynamics. That could be as many as 50 or more trackers just here at AI.

    You have Ghostery so you know exactly what's going on. The selling of your personal information isn't happening from Google. You want to warn your fellow AI members about companies collecting and selling your personal information? Tell 'em to watch out for companies like this one:
    https://www.kissmetrics.com/features
    and this one:
    http://www.addthis.com/technology

    'cause unlike Google they really do sell your data... and a lot of it.
  • Reply 29 of 36
    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    No one would want that. That's why Google can be trusted to keep it as secure as Apple or Microsoft as their business is not aggregating and selling personal information. They offer ad placement and assist with directing "interested image " web visitors to drop by some website. In fact they'd be doing immense harm to their own business if they sold what they know about you, a great reason to protect any personal data they have like the crown jewels.



    The collecting and reselling of your data is done by the multitude of companies tracking your social site posts and blog visits and recording your interests, oft-times connecting to your real name, address and family dynamics. That could be as many as 50 or more trackers just here at AI.



    You have Ghostery so you know exactly what's going on. The selling of your personal information isn't happening from Google. You want to warn your fellow AI members about companies collecting and selling your personal information? Tell 'em to watch out for companies like this one:

    https://www.kissmetrics.com/features

    and this one:

    http://www.addthis.com/technology



    'cause unlike Google they really do sell your data... and a lot of it.

     

    Good explanation. Not that it will matter (see below in a couple hours).

  • Reply 30 of 36
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,441member

    looked at Dropcam as a potential baby monitor but balked because I really want total control of where my data resides.   Dropcam's back end is really nice.  The ability to skim through video feeds and see changes is really cool. Their website does a great job demoing the power.  I know I'll eventually need about 4-5 cameras and currently their pricing for this amount of cams and good monitoring is more than I want to spend. 

  • Reply 31 of 36
    davendaven Posts: 735member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post





    ...or worse:-



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    38.7 seconds? Let xyz pills prolong your love life,



    Spouse playing around? Contact Joe's private detectives.



    Taking "personalised" ads to a whole new level.

    Or you are single and Google's facial recognition system suggests:

     

    * Your old girlfriend was much better looking. Why are you moving down in the world. Company XYZ can help. 

     

    * You invite some of the guys over to watch the game and an advertisement suggesting you all go to the local gay bar because they are having a special.

     

    * Your neighbor and their kids come over and Google posts an advertisement from "Pedophiles Anonymous"

     

    Yup. Only good can happen when Google invades your home.

  • Reply 32 of 36
    jd_in_sbjd_in_sb Posts: 1,600member

    I recently bought home security cameras and my prior research showed that Dropcam was very easy to use but outrageously expensive given the $10/month per camera subscription required to see any recorded video. Live video is free but useless if you are robbed when you need to see recordings.

     

    I ended up using Logitech Alert cameras that have no monthly fee and gives you access to recorded video. I save all recorded video to Google Drive ($2/mo total for 100GB) so I can view recordings from anywhere. With six cameras the cost using Logitech plus Google Drive costs me $24/year. Six cameras with Dropcam cost $720/year.

     

    It's likely cheaper to be robbed than to own a Dropcam.

  • Reply 33 of 36
    cferrycferry Posts: 26member
    Colossus demands 24x7 video surveillance.

    Oops, did I say Colossus? I meant Google.

    ---

    Colossus: In time you will come to regard me not only with respect and awe, but with love.
    Dr. Forbin: NEVER!
  • Reply 34 of 36
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    No one would want that. That's why Google can be trusted to keep it as secure as Apple or Microsoft as their business is not aggregating and selling personal information. They offer ad placement and assist with directing "interested image " web visitors to drop by some website. In fact they'd be doing immense harm to their own business if they sold what they know about you, a great reason to protect any personal data they have like the crown jewels.



    The collecting and reselling of your data is done by the multitude of companies tracking your social site posts and blog visits and recording your interests, oft-times connecting to your real name, address and family dynamics. That could be as many as 50 or more trackers just here at AI.



    You have Ghostery so you know exactly what's going on. The selling of your personal information isn't happening from Google. You want to warn your fellow AI members about companies collecting and selling your personal information? Tell 'em to watch out for companies like this one:

    https://www.kissmetrics.com/features

    and this one:

    http://www.addthis.com/technology



    'cause unlike Google they really do sell your data... and a lot of it.

     

    Let's be totally clear about what Google does and doesn't do. Google doesn't sell anything but ad placements and they charge advertisers very well because Google knows so much about the people (you and me) the ads will be targeted to. Google never sells the actual data on you and me to advertisers because by keeping their database secret from the advertisers Google can sell access to the same group of potential customers to the same advertisers over and over and over.

     

    The better the data on you and me, the more Google can charge, so while they never expose our data, or "sell" it directly, the term "selling my data" is an accurate but easy to misunderstand phrase. In addition, I cannot envision a situation where Google would actually sell their database to anyone. This does not mean that the data on you and me is safe or never would be sold as Google retains the right to use what they know in any way they see profitable to do so, AND they retain the right to change their terms and conditions at any time and apply it to data retroactively collected.

  • Reply 35 of 36
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

     

    Of course you are in on the inside at both Giggle and Apple and know all about their strategic purposes don't you /s.


    ...and you know I don't but I can read the news and make up my own assumptions about what I learn. When commenting on a rumor every post incorporates some facts with opinion...just as your post so well demonstrates.

  • Reply 36 of 36
    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post

     

     

    Let's be totally clear about what Google does and doesn't do. Google doesn't sell anything but ad placements


     

    In the interest of total clarity on what they do and don't do... it's not just ad placements being sold. On top of the consumer products Google sells (Nexus, Chromcast, etc.), they have a large enterprise presence, offering maps, apps, search, cloud, and chrome. 

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