Raymond Soneira's feverish mind at work, plus his obvious recent pro-Samsung, anti-Apple blather.
This doesn't change the point you have in mind for quoting him: OLED has come a long way.
One thing he never mentions is the expected lifetime of the OLED display, compared to LCD. Stability, in other words. I'm curious about that.
I once emailed Dr. Soneira and offered to edit his reports, to take out his rogue capitalizations and de-nerd his prose. I didn't put it quite that way, but needless to say I didn't hear back from him.
The display in my son's Samsung Jet is still fine after 5 years continuous use so i don't think longevity will be a problem given the average churn rate for electronic gadgets these days.
You sound like one of those old geezers who say there is no need for a touch screen phone. Physical button are the best.
Times change, tech changes. Only the stubborn and crusty refuse to have an open mind.
Only the crusty and young would believe that wearing a watch sends the right message to the rest of the world. More often than not isn't sends a massage to those around you that you are an ass and a user of people. It isn't about an open mind at all, it is the problem of associating your self with the wrong sorts of people be they the ass or the vain.
Beyond that every person alive these days care what is effectively a pocket watch. In fact many cell phones aren't much bigger or heavier than the pocket watches the railroads used to run their business over a century ago. The only difference is that iPhones run far more business and a far wider variety of businesses.
To reflect upon this in another way look at Google Glass. Great technology but truly socially unacceptable. Maybe Apple can find a way to market iWatch so that it resists the negativity associated with some of this tech but it wouldn't take much to develop significant backlash. Simply putting a camera in iWatch would get it banned from lots of places.
Second only to my shares in Apple, my decision to buy shares in Universal Display which at the time I bought around $5 a share was the best decision I ever made with stock buys. They hold probably more OLED patents than any company in the world. They recently changed their stock symbol from PANL to OLED. All of the old complaints Apple had about OLED have pretty much been solved now so I can see Apple moving to OLED not only with the iWatch but also iPhone and iPad and possibly even the iMac.
OLED tech is improving but so is LCD tech and even conventional LED tech. Apple will make a move when there is a real advantage to do so. Just like they went IGZO when it made sense and the tech was ready. In the end it probably comes down to power usage for Apple.
I sit at my old iPad 3 and frankly can't imagine the screen getting much better. Reduced reflectivity would be nice but there are ways to address that with LCD tech.
Only the crusty and young would believe that wearing a watch sends the right message to the rest of the world. More often than not isn't sends a massage to those around you that you are an ass and a user of people. It isn't about an open mind at all, it is the problem of associating your self with the wrong sorts of people be they the ass or the vain.
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Apple panned the OLED displays at that particular time for use in larger displays because of their inaccurate color and depth. However, on a small panel display, such as that which would be used on an iWatch where color perfection is not a priority, OLED will do just fine. It's not like people are going to be doing high-end color matching on a display that is fitted around their wrist, like the pros do on 27-inch and 30-inch cinema quality displays.
Still does nothing as far as convincing me to wear a watch or band. I consider my wrists permanently watch-free.
So if/when Apple releases a wearable utility that has so many useful features that it ends up as much like a "watch" as the iPhone is like a "phone" (in other words, not like one at all) then you will be able to revisit your sentiment. You will perhaps even be able to purchase and wear one but say your wrist is still watch-free. You may even be able to say that this is much more than just a "band".
In other words, you might as well wait to see what this wearable thing really is and does. I mean, the convincing can't really start until you know those things, so why bother forming an opinion now? Even if they call it an "iWatch" just for branding sake, my guess is that it will bring in a lot of people like you (and I) who really don't want to wear a "watch".
It looks like Apple will buy some OLED screens from Samsung, aince Apple does not have this type of technology at all.
Does Apple actually have any screen technology at all, other than design and prototype? Don't they always go to external vendors to manufacture displays?
If so, is Samsung the only vendor in the OLED space?
I think a perfect application for these flexible displays and curved screens is for use in VR headsets like the Oculous Rift to provide even greater field of vision and a more immersive experience.
Does Apple actually have any screen technology at all, other than design and prototype? Don't they always go to external vendors to manufacture displays?
If so, is Samsung the only vendor in the OLED space?
Right, Apple doesn't do any in-house manufacturing and Apple has little or no display screen techs themselves; Apple's recent acquisition of LuxVue notwithstanding.
Samsung is pretty much the only supplier / consumer in the mobile OLED space. For instance, Samsung's AMOLED world marketshare is still close to 95%. It's not that there is no demand outside Samsung -- HTC tried it, but later switched to LCD due to production shortages at Samsung in 2010. No other display makers have been able to produce them in reliable volume.
The display in my son's Samsung Jet is still fine after 5 years continuous use so i don't think longevity will be a problem given the average churn rate for electronic gadgets these days.
Only the crusty and young would believe that wearing a watch sends the right message to the rest of the world. More often than not isn't sends a massage to those around you that you are an ass and a user of people. It isn't about an open mind at all, it is the problem of associating your self with the wrong sorts of people be they the ass or the vain.
Ok, I don't think I understood this properly. How does wearing a watch mean that you are an ass and a user of people?
So if/when Apple releases a wearable utility that has so many useful features that it ends up as much like a "watch" as the iPhone is like a "phone" (in other words, not like one at all) then you will be able to revisit your sentiment. You will perhaps even be able to purchase and wear one but say your wrist is still watch-free. You may even be able to say that this is much more than just a "band".
In other words, you might as well wait to see what this wearable thing really is and does. I mean, the convincing can't really start until you know those things, so why bother forming an opinion now? Even if they call it an "iWatch" just for branding sake, my guess is that it will bring in a lot of people like you (and I) who really don't want to wear a "watch".
Thompson
If it's as thin and unobtrusive as a rub-on tattoo, I may revisit my statement. Otherwise, I've no interest.
If it's as thin and unobtrusive as a rub-on tattoo, I may revisit my statement. Otherwise, I've no interest.
So if it's the thickness of 2 rub-on tattoos you're out?
Seriously though, I think the trick to a wearable, especially one worn on the wrist, is unlike nothing we've seen attempt to capitalize the market. I think it'll be more of an iPhone accessory than trying to replace phone features and will good replacement to phone features that currently work well but really aren't suited for a handheld device, like with the various fitness trackers that monitor steps via the accelerometer and pulse rate with the camera and flash.
So it's the thickness of 2 rub-on tattoos you're out?
Seriously though, I think the trick to a wearable, especially one worn on the wrist, is unlike nothing we've seen attempt to capitalize the market. I think it'll be more of an iPhone accessory than trying to replace phone features and will good replacement to phone features that currently work well but really aren't suited for a handheld device, like with the various fitness trackers that monitor steps via the accelerometer and pulse rate with the camera and flash.
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Raymond Soneira's feverish mind at work, plus his obvious recent pro-Samsung, anti-Apple blather.
This doesn't change the point you have in mind for quoting him: OLED has come a long way.
One thing he never mentions is the expected lifetime of the OLED display, compared to LCD. Stability, in other words. I'm curious about that.
I once emailed Dr. Soneira and offered to edit his reports, to take out his rogue capitalizations and de-nerd his prose. I didn't put it quite that way, but needless to say I didn't hear back from him.
The display in my son's Samsung Jet is still fine after 5 years continuous use so i don't think longevity will be a problem given the average churn rate for electronic gadgets these days.
Only the crusty and young would believe that wearing a watch sends the right message to the rest of the world. More often than not isn't sends a massage to those around you that you are an ass and a user of people. It isn't about an open mind at all, it is the problem of associating your self with the wrong sorts of people be they the ass or the vain.
Beyond that every person alive these days care what is effectively a pocket watch. In fact many cell phones aren't much bigger or heavier than the pocket watches the railroads used to run their business over a century ago. The only difference is that iPhones run far more business and a far wider variety of businesses.
To reflect upon this in another way look at Google Glass. Great technology but truly socially unacceptable. Maybe Apple can find a way to market iWatch so that it resists the negativity associated with some of this tech but it wouldn't take much to develop significant backlash. Simply putting a camera in iWatch would get it banned from lots of places.
I sit at my old iPad 3 and frankly can't imagine the screen getting much better. Reduced reflectivity would be nice but there are ways to address that with LCD tech.
Only the crusty and young would believe that wearing a watch sends the right message to the rest of the world. More often than not isn't sends a massage to those around you that you are an ass and a user of people. It isn't about an open mind at all, it is the problem of associating your self with the wrong sorts of people be they the ass or the vain.
WTF??
You need help, buddy.
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The wider tech press don't mention Apple in their pieces.
Oh yes they do. They most certainly do.
Thompson
Still does nothing as far as convincing me to wear a watch or band. I consider my wrists permanently watch-free.
So if/when Apple releases a wearable utility that has so many useful features that it ends up as much like a "watch" as the iPhone is like a "phone" (in other words, not like one at all) then you will be able to revisit your sentiment. You will perhaps even be able to purchase and wear one but say your wrist is still watch-free. You may even be able to say that this is much more than just a "band".
In other words, you might as well wait to see what this wearable thing really is and does. I mean, the convincing can't really start until you know those things, so why bother forming an opinion now? Even if they call it an "iWatch" just for branding sake, my guess is that it will bring in a lot of people like you (and I) who really don't want to wear a "watch".
Thompson
It looks like Apple will buy some OLED screens from Samsung, aince Apple does not have this type of technology at all.
Does Apple actually have any screen technology at all, other than design and prototype? Don't they always go to external vendors to manufacture displays?
If so, is Samsung the only vendor in the OLED space?
I think a perfect application for these flexible displays and curved screens is for use in VR headsets like the Oculous Rift to provide even greater field of vision and a more immersive experience.
Does Apple actually have any screen technology at all, other than design and prototype? Don't they always go to external vendors to manufacture displays?
If so, is Samsung the only vendor in the OLED space?
Right, Apple doesn't do any in-house manufacturing and Apple has little or no display screen techs themselves; Apple's recent acquisition of LuxVue notwithstanding.
Samsung is pretty much the only supplier / consumer in the mobile OLED space. For instance, Samsung's AMOLED world marketshare is still close to 95%. It's not that there is no demand outside Samsung -- HTC tried it, but later switched to LCD due to production shortages at Samsung in 2010. No other display makers have been able to produce them in reliable volume.
Good to know, thanks.
Only the crusty and young would believe that wearing a watch sends the right message to the rest of the world. More often than not isn't sends a massage to those around you that you are an ass and a user of people. It isn't about an open mind at all, it is the problem of associating your self with the wrong sorts of people be they the ass or the vain.
Ok, I don't think I understood this properly. How does wearing a watch mean that you are an ass and a user of people?
If it's as thin and unobtrusive as a rub-on tattoo, I may revisit my statement. Otherwise, I've no interest.
So if it's the thickness of 2 rub-on tattoos you're out?
Seriously though, I think the trick to a wearable, especially one worn on the wrist, is unlike nothing we've seen attempt to capitalize the market. I think it'll be more of an iPhone accessory than trying to replace phone features and will good replacement to phone features that currently work well but really aren't suited for a handheld device, like with the various fitness trackers that monitor steps via the accelerometer and pulse rate with the camera and flash.
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Nokia phone prototype:
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2008/05/26/nokia-aeon-update-fuel-cell-concept-phone-is-at-prototype-stage-so-futuristic/
From 2008!!!