With dearth of major chip upgrades from Intel, Apple opts for cheaper Macs in 2014

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  • Reply 21 of 70
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    redhotfuzz wrote: »
    How about reducing the price of *all* of these overdue-for-a-refresh models rather than just introduce a single cheaper model that appeals to very few of us on this forum?

    So you're switching to a new whine. You were saying "I don't know how much longer I can wait . . . "

    Why don't you go to an Intel forum and throw a fit there?
  • Reply 22 of 70
    I wish Intel would simply come out with 8-core i5 and i7 chips. This would increase the speed when doing multi-core apps and would improve multitasking.
  • Reply 23 of 70
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    Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post





    So you're switching to a new whine. You were saying "I don't know how much longer I can wait . . . " If they lower the prices you won't wet your pants? Why don't you go to an Intel forum and throw a fit there?

     

    Speaking of pants, who got yours in a twist?  As for my "fit" (whatever, dude), yes, a lower price would be a logical move for outdated hardware, even if the updates are being held back by an external supplier.

  • Reply 24 of 70
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    dennyc2013 wrote: »
    I can't understand the release cycle for most of apples products. All we kinda know is iPhones and maybe iPods in the fall and that's it. It's really fustrating not knowing when a new Mac mini or MacBook comes out. Even the software, we only know when the an os will be out but other software who knows.

    I would like to plan out certain upgrades for work. Mainly for budget purposes. I've been a customer for a fairly long time apple and I'm kinda pissed off with a poor schedule and not being able to plan stuff out.

    So you too don't understand. Wouldn't admit it if I were you, because the Intel story here is meant to make you understand. Yet you don't. Ok, join the other dumb ones and the trolls here.
  • Reply 25 of 70
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    redhotfuzz wrote: »
    Speaking of pants, who got yours in a twist?  As for my "fit" (whatever, dude), yes, a lower price would be a logical move for outdated hardware, even if the updates are being held back by an external supplier.
    I'm not usually a fan of Mark Gurman but his tweet this morning announcing Apple's new 21.5" MacBook Air was pretty funny.
  • Reply 26 of 70
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    Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post





    So you too don't understand. Wouldn't admit it if I were you, because the Intel story here is meant to make you understand. Yet you don't. Ok, join the other dumb ones and the trolls here.

     

    Who made you the resident Forum Jerk?

  • Reply 27 of 70
    "Horsepower" that is almost as bad as "far east". May I suggest processing power.
  • Reply 28 of 70
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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post





    I call it like I see it. And I'm not the only one who thinks this new iMac is overpriced. I do think its a bean counter move. Said the same thing about the 8GB 5C. At least Apple didn't send out a press release on that one.



    There are so many great things about Tim Cook's Apple. They could have really given us a 'whoa' moment pricing this at $899 or even $999. Especially with Windows 8 being such a turd. And I hate seeing Chromebooks gain share in education markets.

    Disrupting the pricing model from a .99c iPhone to a 999 MBA,  that would be a "Whoa, Duude!" moment.   But it didn't and won't happen in a press release.   Bean Counters or no, those moments require Tim or Craig standing in front of a Keynote screen that screams, "Inexpensive, but not Cheap!"   

     

    Tim has always fought to keep the price tight to the market's ability to undercut it.   You may find a cheaper all-in-1 (yes, I'm an Old DEC hand), computer, but the vendor won't be able to make it as good or with much profit margin.

     

    This is an 'eMac' pricing release.   without calling it as such.  at $1049 list for edu, plus volume discounts (and back to school discounts), this sets a base for desktops in schools (which they need plenty of, and they also need need little performance to support).   To me the big thing is the AC networking (streaming lessons in hard to wire classrooms), big glass, and the ability to pretty much epoxy close all the connectivity ports.   

     

    ToG.

  • Reply 29 of 70
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by RedHotFuzz View Post

    Who made you the resident Forum Jerk?




    I don’t know about that. Plenty of times before the launch of the product it has been said that Intel doesn’t have any new CPUs and won’t until Q2 2015. Anyone demanding Apple to do something about this is either willfully ignorant or trolling.

  • Reply 30 of 70
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member

    I personally still believe Apple will be moving Macs to their ARM processor, you seeing it today they are making OSX look and act more like IOS. With their new development tools it will make it easier for companies to make apps for both OSX an IOS.

     

    Also, if you look at apple past, they start high and as they market begins to slow they move down into the next level. Mac sale maybe slowing so now they are considering the next level down and this change is a low risk approach to testing the waters.

  • Reply 31 of 70
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    Disrupting the pricing model from a .99c iPhone to a 999 MBA,  that would be a "Whoa, Duude!" moment.   But it didn't and won't happen in a press release.   Bean Counters or no, those moments require Tim or Craig standing in front of a Keynote screen that screams, "Inexpensive, but not Cheap!"   

    Tim has always fought to keep the price tight to the market's ability to undercut it.   You may find a cheaper all-in-1 (yes, I'm an Old DEC hand), computer, but the vendor won't be able to make it as good or with much profit margin.

    This is an 'eMac' pricing release.   without calling it as such.  at $1049 list for edu, plus volume discounts (and back to school discounts), this sets a base for desktops in schools (which they need plenty of, and they also need need little performance to support).   To me the big thing is the AC networking (streaming lessons in hard to wire classrooms), big glass, and the ability to pretty much epoxy close all the connectivity ports.   

    ToG.
    Apple isn't even featuring this on apple.com (they did with the MBA update earlier this year). We got a press release but no comments from Schiller in it. I guess Apple is treating this as as a no big deal update.
  • Reply 32 of 70
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     



    I don’t know about that. Plenty of times before the launch of the product it has been said that Intel doesn’t have any new CPUs and won’t until Q2 2015. Anyone demanding Apple to do something about this is either willfully ignorant or trolling.


     

    Hoping for at least a price cut on overaged hardware while waiting for delayed processor updates is "trolling"?  Please.

     

    As for DennyC2013's point, it's completely rational to wish for some sort of routine upgrade schedule for Apple OS X computing hardware.  As he mentioned, we have a reasonable expectation for iOS device updates occurring on a yearly basis in the fall.  Wouldn't it be nice if we could count on some sort of reliable schedule for desktop and laptop models as well?  (I'm speaking aside from the current Intel processor delay.)  When will the Mac Mini be updated?  Who knows?  Should I buy one now or wait?  Who knows?  It's frustrating.  If Apple ever really wants to become a fixture in enterprise, they are going to have to address this issue.

     

    Sorry if any challenge to the less-than-ideal status quo is enough to send Flaneur into a spittle-fueled rage.  :no:

  • Reply 33 of 70
    schlackschlack Posts: 729member
    Really wish that Apple would offer the iMac with a 256GB SSD standard.

    Their base config laptops should not be faster than the base config 27" iMac!
  • Reply 34 of 70
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by RedHotFuzz View Post

    Hoping for at least a price cut on overaged hardware while waiting for delayed processor updates is "trolling"?  Please.


     

    No, but that’s not what I said anyway.

  • Reply 35 of 70
    xgmanxgman Posts: 159member
    This is a pathetically underpowered computer in today's world. blehh . .
  • Reply 36 of 70
    evilutionevilution Posts: 1,399member
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    Originally Posted by xgman View Post



    This is a pathetically underpowered computer in today's world. blehh . .

    For you maybe, not for the majority of women and older people who just look at the internet and email.

     

    I think that dipping into a lower market is a good way to get people in the Apple eco system.

    They experience what Apple has to offer, when in previous years they may not have stumped up that much money just to see if the iMac was suitable when they could throw down $600 on a crap PC that they know works.

     

    The majority of these people will trade up to a more expensive version next time around.

     

    So don't be ignorant. Just because a lower spec iMac or iPhone doesn't suit you, doesn't mean there isn't a big market or a good reason to bring them out.

  • Reply 37 of 70
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by xgman View Post

    This is a pathetically underpowered computer in today's world. blehh . .

     

    Which you know how, exactly?

  • Reply 38 of 70
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    redhotfuzz wrote: »
    Hoping for at least a price cut on overaged hardware while waiting for delayed processor updates is "trolling"?  Please.

    As for DennyC2013's point, it's completely rational to wish for some sort of routine upgrade schedule for Apple OS X computing hardware.  As he mentioned, we have a reasonable expectation for iOS device updates occurring on a yearly basis in the fall.  Wouldn't it be nice if we could count on some sort of reliable schedule for desktop and laptop models as well?  (I'm speaking aside from the current Intel processor delay.)  When will the Mac Mini be updated?  Who knows?  Should I buy one now or wait?  Who knows?  It's frustrating.  If Apple ever really wants to become a fixture in enterprise, they are going to have to address this issue.

    Sorry if any challenge to the less-than-ideal status quo is enough to send Flaneur into a spittle-fueled rage.  :no:

    The story is about the uncertain availability of Intel's new processors. Then you say, "Good grief, Apple," because you don't know how much longer you can wait.

    When you're called out for missing the point, you change your demand to across the board price reductions, never mind you needed the latest upgrade in the previous post. What's a person to think about your intentions?
  • Reply 39 of 70
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    No, but that’s not what I said anyway.


     

    You said: "Anyone demanding Apple to do something about this is either willfully ignorant or trolling."

     

    They can do something about this.  They can reduce the price on their overaged hardware to incentivize buyers while they wait for beyond-their-control new components to materialize.  Or bump up the stock HD sizes.  Or add an SSD by default.

     

    There's nothing unreasonable or "ignorant" about such a request.  Product refreshes for Apple's desktop lineup have been woefully slow for years.  They don't need across-the-board updates all the time to keep the product line fresh.  Make some minor component tweaks or play with the price to juice sales.

  • Reply 40 of 70
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
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    Originally Posted by RedHotFuzz View Post



    I really, really need to upgrade my iMac (2009). So apparently the time is not now? image



    Will we see any refresh in the fall? I don't know how much longer I can wait. Good grief, Apple.

     

    the delays are entirely due to Intel, not apple. apple doesnt build new intel's chips.

     

    but -- the time to upgrade is when you need it. if you need the machine now, get one for gods sake. in 2012 i upgraded my old imac to a mid-2011 refurb -- 256GB SSD HD, 16GB ram, 2GB VRAM. the thing absolutely screams compared to my prior machine, and im still very happy w/ it, especially for gaming (Payday 2 today).

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