Let's keep it simple. Something that supports the theory that Google innovates: Self driving cars.
I brought a snack, so we can talk this through.
What dealer near me sells these self-driving cars? What federal and local governments mandates have rebuilt roads with sensors or used GPS mapping or have cars so smart they can tell every road in the country that a regular user can see? Part of the definition of "innovate" is to make changes to something established but cars are are still be driving the same way and there is NO WAY for me to buy one of these cars and drive it cross country. Tesla has innovated a lot more than Google in this area since there is no product. NO PRODUCT. And there may never be a product as getting every govt built road in a given country to allow for a self-driving automobiles is very, very, very long way off. But don't worry, I'm sure Google will have more half-assed ideas it tries to pretend are right around the corner from being mass produced for the public. I'm sure it's all coming soon. Soooon[/I, as soon as Godot gets here.
What dealer near me sells these self-driving cars? What federal and local governments mandates have rebuilt roads with sensors or used GPS mapping or have cars so smart they can tell every road in the country that a regular user can see? Part of the definition of "innovate" is to make changes to something established but cars are are still be driving the same way and there is NO WAY for me to buy one of these cars and drive it cross country. Tesla has innovated a lot more than Google in this area since there is no product. NO PRODUCT. And there may never be a product as getting every govt built road in a given country to allow for a self-driving automobiles is very, very, very long way off. But don't worry, I'm sure Google will have more half-assed ideas it tries to pretend are right around the corner from being mass produced for the public. I'm sure it's all coming soon. Soooon[/I, as soon as Godot gets here.
Are you done? Didn't you leave out a paragraph or three?
There used to not be self-driving cars. Google innovated, and now there are a handful of them. Period. They need more innovation to get our butts in their seats, and clearly some infrastructure will need to be put in place.
Are you done? Didn't you leave out a paragraph or three?
There used to not be self-driving cars. Google innovated, and now there are a handful of them. Period. They need more innovation to get our butts in their seats, and clearly some infrastructure will need to be put in place.
Some infrastructure? SOME?!!!! You really don't know when you're looking at do you? But that's fine, there is a reason strippers use body glitter so clearly some people have to fall for vaporware.
Here are some other comparisons:
Google's Gmail and Business Services = PRODUCT
Google's Self Driving Cars = NOT A PRODUCT
Apple's iPad = PRODUCT
Apple's Knowledge Navigator = NOT A PRODUCT
Tesla's Model S = PRODUCT
Elon Musk's Hyperloop = NOT A PRODUCT
Some infrastructure? SOME?!!!! You really don't know when you're looking at do you? But that's fine, there is a reason strippers use body glitter so clearly some people have to fall for vaporware.
Here are some other comparisons:
Google's Gmail and Business Services = PRODUCT
Google's Self Driving Cars = NOT A PRODUCT
Apple's iPad = PRODUCT
Apple's Knowledge Navigator = NOT A PRODUCT
Tesla's Model S = PRODUCT
Elon Musk's Hyperloop = NOT A PRODUCT
I thought you were talking about innovations, not products.
Google has never "innovated" sh?t. A couple of college boys took a commonly-used search algorithm used in the academic realm to rank papers by number of cites, patented it, and make billions off the gullible*. They're the equivalent of the a$$hole that patented the crank, forcing James Watt to use planetary gears on his first rotary steam engines.
*At least this is the theory. I've never seen any sign of this genius search algorithm. All I get is page after page of whoever's paid Google to wind up at the top of every search—in order of bribe amount.
It's a Google innovation that has been released, and you can use it.
Oh, I get that, I just don't know why you'd post it at all. Clearly I made no such statements that Google had no innovations or products. I even listed two as an example of products.
Google has never "innovated" sh?t. A couple of college boys took a commonly-used search algorithm used in the academic realm to rank papers by number of cites, patented it, and make billions off the gullible*. They're the equivalent of the a$$hole that patented the crank, forcing James Watt to use planetary gears on his first rotary steam engines.
*At least this is the theory. I've never seen any sign of this genius search algorithm. All I get is page after page of whoever's paid Google to wind up at the top of every search—in order of bribe amount.
Their search algorithms were not commonly used or ordinary. If they were they could not have dominated the market the way they did. They also made great innovations with many web app, like email, including algorithms for filtering spam (which I wish Apple could catch up to), and monetizing ads. They've done some amazing things over the years.
Oh, I get that, I just don't know why you'd post it at all. Clearly I made no such statements that Google had no innovations or products. I even listed two as an example of products.
I thought your argument was that they are not an innovative company. You're just arguing on the specifics of an unofficial title of "engine of innovation?"
Well never mind then.
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Originally Posted by Mac-sochist
Google has never "innovated" sh?t. A couple of college boys took a commonly-used search algorithm used in the academic realm to rank papers by number of cites, patented it, and make billions off the gullible*. They're the equivalent of the a$$hole that patented the crank, forcing James Watt to use planetary gears on his first rotary steam engines.
*At least this is the theory. I've never seen any sign of this genius search algorithm. All I get is page after page of whoever's paid Google to wind up at the top of every search—in order of bribe amount.
I thought your argument was that they are not an innovative company. You're just arguing on the specifics of an unofficial title of "engine of innovation?"
Well never mind then.
I'm arguing the point that saying a company is innovative by noting things that aren't products, aren't in products, and may never be products is foolish. Google isn't MIT where we can look at some novel idea that might become a real product in several decades and say, "well that could be neat."
I'm arguing the point that saying a company is innovative by noting things that aren't products, aren't in products, and may never be products is foolish. Google isn't MIT where we can look at some novel idea that might become a real product in several decades and say, "well that could be neat."
That's one way to look at it.
I think Apple is brilliantly successful at monetizing its innovations. I think Google is all over the place in that respect, but I see no negatives in capturing people's imaginations with your ideas and experiments, and I think it can be driven by innovation.
I think Apple is brilliantly successful at monetizing its innovations. I think Google is all over the place in that respect, but I see no negatives in capturing people's imaginations with your ideas and experiments, and I think it can be driven by innovation.
Then why doesn't Google post new innovations it's working on to make search and ad placements better? Not because it's dull but because that's where they make their money. These self driving cars they want to try to show off no different than a magician trying to entertainment widened ignorant children.
Why is that? The very round bokeh is something you typically see from apertures with a greater number of blades, that are closer to being visually circular. Am I missing something?
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What dealer near me sells these self-driving cars? What federal and local governments mandates have rebuilt roads with sensors or used GPS mapping or have cars so smart they can tell every road in the country that a regular user can see? Part of the definition of "innovate" is to make changes to something established but cars are are still be driving the same way and there is NO WAY for me to buy one of these cars and drive it cross country. Tesla has innovated a lot more than Google in this area since there is no product. NO PRODUCT. And there may never be a product as getting every govt built road in a given country to allow for a self-driving automobiles is very, very, very long way off. But don't worry, I'm sure Google will have more half-assed ideas it tries to pretend are right around the corner from being mass produced for the public. I'm sure it's all coming soon. Soooon[/I, as soon as Godot gets here.
What dealer near me sells these self-driving cars? What federal and local governments mandates have rebuilt roads with sensors or used GPS mapping or have cars so smart they can tell every road in the country that a regular user can see? Part of the definition of "innovate" is to make changes to something established but cars are are still be driving the same way and there is NO WAY for me to buy one of these cars and drive it cross country. Tesla has innovated a lot more than Google in this area since there is no product. NO PRODUCT. And there may never be a product as getting every govt built road in a given country to allow for a self-driving automobiles is very, very, very long way off. But don't worry, I'm sure Google will have more half-assed ideas it tries to pretend are right around the corner from being mass produced for the public. I'm sure it's all coming soon. Soooon[/I, as soon as Godot gets here.
Are you done? Didn't you leave out a paragraph or three?
There used to not be self-driving cars. Google innovated, and now there are a handful of them. Period. They need more innovation to get our butts in their seats, and clearly some infrastructure will need to be put in place.
Some infrastructure? SOME?!!!! You really don't know when you're looking at do you? But that's fine, there is a reason strippers use body glitter so clearly some people have to fall for vaporware.
Here are some other comparisons:
Google's Gmail and Business Services = PRODUCT
Google's Self Driving Cars = NOT A PRODUCT
Apple's iPad = PRODUCT
Apple's Knowledge Navigator = NOT A PRODUCT
Tesla's Model S = PRODUCT
Elon Musk's Hyperloop = NOT A PRODUCT
Some infrastructure? SOME?!!!! You really don't know when you're looking at do you? But that's fine, there is a reason strippers use body glitter so clearly some people have to fall for vaporware.
Here are some other comparisons:
Google's Gmail and Business Services = PRODUCT
Google's Self Driving Cars = NOT A PRODUCT
Apple's iPad = PRODUCT
Apple's Knowledge Navigator = NOT A PRODUCT
Tesla's Model S = PRODUCT
Elon Musk's Hyperloop = NOT A PRODUCT
I thought you were talking about innovations, not products.
No, we're talking about innovations in products. Anything else is just foolish nonsense.
No, we're talking about innovations in products. Anything else is just foolish nonsense.
Fine.
Street View.
What the **** does that have to do with anything?
What the **** does that have to do with anything?
It's a Google innovation that has been released, and you can use it.
*At least this is the theory. I've never seen any sign of this genius search algorithm. All I get is page after page of whoever's paid Google to wind up at the top of every search—in order of bribe amount.
Oh, I get that, I just don't know why you'd post it at all. Clearly I made no such statements that Google had no innovations or products. I even listed two as an example of products.
Their search algorithms were not commonly used or ordinary. If they were they could not have dominated the market the way they did. They also made great innovations with many web app, like email, including algorithms for filtering spam (which I wish Apple could catch up to), and monetizing ads. They've done some amazing things over the years.
Oh, I get that, I just don't know why you'd post it at all. Clearly I made no such statements that Google had no innovations or products. I even listed two as an example of products.
I thought your argument was that they are not an innovative company. You're just arguing on the specifics of an unofficial title of "engine of innovation?"
Well never mind then.
Google has never "innovated" sh?t. A couple of college boys took a commonly-used search algorithm used in the academic realm to rank papers by number of cites, patented it, and make billions off the gullible*. They're the equivalent of the a$$hole that patented the crank, forcing James Watt to use planetary gears on his first rotary steam engines.
*At least this is the theory. I've never seen any sign of this genius search algorithm. All I get is page after page of whoever's paid Google to wind up at the top of every search—in order of bribe amount.
lol
I'm arguing the point that saying a company is innovative by noting things that aren't products, aren't in products, and may never be products is foolish. Google isn't MIT where we can look at some novel idea that might become a real product in several decades and say, "well that could be neat."
I'm arguing the point that saying a company is innovative by noting things that aren't products, aren't in products, and may never be products is foolish. Google isn't MIT where we can look at some novel idea that might become a real product in several decades and say, "well that could be neat."
That's one way to look at it.
I think Apple is brilliantly successful at monetizing its innovations. I think Google is all over the place in that respect, but I see no negatives in capturing people's imaginations with your ideas and experiments, and I think it can be driven by innovation.
Then why doesn't Google post new innovations it's working on to make search and ad placements better? Not because it's dull but because that's where they make their money. These self driving cars they want to try to show off no different than a magician trying to entertainment widened ignorant children.
Then why doesn't Google post new innovations it's working on to make search and ad placements better?
You mean like here? http://www.google.com/adsense/start/how-it-works.html
No.
No.
I'm going to have to start posting lmgtfy links... http://www.google.com/ads/innovations/index.html
Leads to stuff like this... http://www.google.com/ads/innovations/search.html#tab=management
They're not hiding their ad products nor innovation in that area, and they are marketing it.
No.
Yes.
But ... there goes your bokeh! lol
Why is that? The very round bokeh is something you typically see from apertures with a greater number of blades, that are closer to being visually circular. Am I missing something?