So we have about 13 years of Moore's Law and it will be slowing down (less doubling and more like 1.4x)
I can't remember the last time I actually saw a computer bog down. Maybe churning out video takes the most time, but otherwise computers are plenty fast enough for most people and those who need the speed can parallel process. That is one reason PC sales are stagnant, people can keep their computers up to 10 years if they wanted to.
I do wish they could make the Internet faster though. I think we should have affordable gigabit speed by now. Perhaps faster chips could help with that. I'm not sure what the hold up is. I think some of these cable companies need to upgrade their DNS servers. The latency is annoying. You can do a SpeedTest.net and you get great throughput but just clicking links the delay is noticeable. Plus don't get me started on video buffering. I am convinced they do that on purpose.
Samsung isn't building crap, at Malta. That's Global Foundries. Sure, these are the first stages in their cross licensing and manufacturing agreement to use the same process [combined IP between them both], but it's Global Foundries Malta Fab 8 plant, in NY.
And Apple $$, which appear to be helping Samsung narrow the gap with Intel. It typically takes Intel about 18 to 24 months to move from one process to the next (for example, the first 22nm processor from Intel was put on sale in April 2012, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22_nanometer and 14nm processors have yet to be sold, making this an unusually long time between processes for Intel). Meanwhile, Apple/Samsung took just 12 months to make the transitions between 45 nm and 32 nm, 32 nm and 28 nm, and apparently now between 28 nm and 20 nm and perhaps next year between 20 nm and 14 nm.
There are a couple of caveats here. First, there's some controversy as to whether all nm are created equal -- Intel argues that what Samsung et al call 20 nm isn't as good as what Intel calls 22nm. But it is indisputably the case that Samsung, backed by Apple $$, is moving through manufacturing process generations faster than Intel is, thereby narrowing the lead Intel has historically had in manufacturing process technology.
The second caveat on this is that it's easier to follow than to lead. If and when Apple and friends (Samsung, GloFo, and TSMC) actually do catch up to Intel, that doesn't mean that the next step will be to surpass Intel. Pushing the frontiers of physics isn't easy -- matching Intel is hard, beating them would be really, really hard (maybe impossible).
But stil... Apple and friends are making progress in closing Intel's biggest advantage. Combine that with having already closed Intel's advantage in terms of designing processors along with Apple's advantage in controlling the whole stack, and things look good for Apple.
Please please please can we (I'm not a shareholder but 'we' by group affiliation) get off Samsung as a major supplier? It's like we're letting them keep the knife in our back but just not dig it in.
I'm a shareholder and I prefer that Apple does what makes shareholder's the most money over the long term. I don't think Apple likes Samdung anymore than any of us. Obviously, Samdung must be the best solution for high quality low costs parts.
More to the point, Samdung copied UI and design features from Apple, both of which can be obtained by simply buying an Apple device. So switching suppliers for semiconductor fab doesn't help prevent copying at all. In fact, it makes it worse, because Apple loses its leverage. The best solution for Apple is to keep Samdung as a supplier. Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies even closer.
I can't remember the last time I actually saw a computer bog down. Maybe churning out video takes the most time, but otherwise computers are plenty fast enough for most people and those who need the speed can parallel process. That is one reason PC sales are stagnant, people can keep their computers up to 10 years if they wanted to.
I do wish they could make the Internet faster though. I think we should have affordable gigabit speed by now. Perhaps faster chips could help with that. I'm not sure what the hold up is. I think some of these cable companies need to upgrade their DNS servers. The latency is annoying. You can do a SpeedTest.net and you get great throughput but just clicking links the delay is noticeable. Plus don't get me started on video buffering. I am convinced they do that on purpose.
Agreed. Internet is lagging. The problem is the structure of the industry and pricing. Internet is like a utility because it has to be wired to your house, which means competition is low. Secondly, it is very difficult for customers to know what they are actually getting. The industry sells "up to X speed," which mean they can deliver literally any speed and technically meet their end of the deal. There are practical reasons why this system exists and is allowed. However, ISPs are bastards and abuse it. More importantly, ISPs only upgrade their networking gear when their hand is forced. In short, the system is fucked up and nobody knows how to fix it.
After stripping the marketing bla-bla Samsung's "14nm" process is 20nm FinFET, as is TSMC's "16nm" process.
GloFo dropped the further developement of their own 20nm FinFET process in favour of Samung's. So Samsung could become Apple's contractor and outsource part of the production to GloFo if needed assuring continuousness of production.
After stripping the marketing bla-bla Samsung's "14nm" process is 20nm FinFET, as is TSMC's "16nm" process.
GloFo dropped the further developement of their own 20nm FinFET process in favour of Samung's. So Samsung could become Apple's contractor and outsource part of the production to GloFo if needed assuring continuousness of production.
Moore just stated the obvious, but times have changed.
Thanks to graphene, graphyne and stanene, electrical conductivity can be 'absolute' at room temperatures (superconductivity). Plus, we also have advancements in quantum computing, which can easily pulverise silicon miroprocessors, and then pulverise it again just for fun.
So no, it has nothing to do with Moore, but everything to do with the brilliant engineers and physicists, who work their asses off to create truly amazing technology.
Nope. All states previously vying for the project have pulled out and have ended negotiations for Azalea as the project is seen as something short of fraud.
I thought the move to X-ray lithography and grazing incidence optics was incredible but... the technology just keep pushing the boundaries - lovely!
I remember back when 1000 nm was considered a boundary that may never be crossed. Now we are at 1.4% of that and making home electronics with the technology. I boggles my mind...I, who grew up on vacuum tube tech.
If we had somehow got our hands on some of today's technology back in the '50s, I'm sure no one would have guessed it was only from 6 decades in the future.
The Samsung haters need to get a life. They provide resources for Apple. Samsung isn't the only company that makes a touchscreen phone, but no one complains about those other companies. It is a phone, get over it. It is no different than all the car manufacturers making cars with commonly known elements.
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Then we have to shift to a totally new process, either using grapheme instead of Si...
We have 14 years to shift to graphene?
Bet it’ll be done in 7. Graphene (and its variations) is the wonder product for which we’ve been waiting.
So we have about 13 years of Moore's Law and it will be slowing down (less doubling and more like 1.4x)
I can't remember the last time I actually saw a computer bog down. Maybe churning out video takes the most time, but otherwise computers are plenty fast enough for most people and those who need the speed can parallel process. That is one reason PC sales are stagnant, people can keep their computers up to 10 years if they wanted to.
I do wish they could make the Internet faster though. I think we should have affordable gigabit speed by now. Perhaps faster chips could help with that. I'm not sure what the hold up is. I think some of these cable companies need to upgrade their DNS servers. The latency is annoying. You can do a SpeedTest.net and you get great throughput but just clicking links the delay is noticeable. Plus don't get me started on video buffering. I am convinced they do that on purpose.
Get it right.
Thank you, Moore's Law!
And Apple $$, which appear to be helping Samsung narrow the gap with Intel. It typically takes Intel about 18 to 24 months to move from one process to the next (for example, the first 22nm processor from Intel was put on sale in April 2012, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22_nanometer and 14nm processors have yet to be sold, making this an unusually long time between processes for Intel). Meanwhile, Apple/Samsung took just 12 months to make the transitions between 45 nm and 32 nm, 32 nm and 28 nm, and apparently now between 28 nm and 20 nm and perhaps next year between 20 nm and 14 nm.
There are a couple of caveats here. First, there's some controversy as to whether all nm are created equal -- Intel argues that what Samsung et al call 20 nm isn't as good as what Intel calls 22nm. But it is indisputably the case that Samsung, backed by Apple $$, is moving through manufacturing process generations faster than Intel is, thereby narrowing the lead Intel has historically had in manufacturing process technology.
The second caveat on this is that it's easier to follow than to lead. If and when Apple and friends (Samsung, GloFo, and TSMC) actually do catch up to Intel, that doesn't mean that the next step will be to surpass Intel. Pushing the frontiers of physics isn't easy -- matching Intel is hard, beating them would be really, really hard (maybe impossible).
But stil... Apple and friends are making progress in closing Intel's biggest advantage. Combine that with having already closed Intel's advantage in terms of designing processors along with Apple's advantage in controlling the whole stack, and things look good for Apple.
Please please please can we (I'm not a shareholder but 'we' by group affiliation) get off Samsung as a major supplier? It's like we're letting them keep the knife in our back but just not dig it in.
I'm a shareholder and I prefer that Apple does what makes shareholder's the most money over the long term. I don't think Apple likes Samdung anymore than any of us. Obviously, Samdung must be the best solution for high quality low costs parts.
More to the point, Samdung copied UI and design features from Apple, both of which can be obtained by simply buying an Apple device. So switching suppliers for semiconductor fab doesn't help prevent copying at all. In fact, it makes it worse, because Apple loses its leverage. The best solution for Apple is to keep Samdung as a supplier. Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies even closer.
I can't remember the last time I actually saw a computer bog down. Maybe churning out video takes the most time, but otherwise computers are plenty fast enough for most people and those who need the speed can parallel process. That is one reason PC sales are stagnant, people can keep their computers up to 10 years if they wanted to.
I do wish they could make the Internet faster though. I think we should have affordable gigabit speed by now. Perhaps faster chips could help with that. I'm not sure what the hold up is. I think some of these cable companies need to upgrade their DNS servers. The latency is annoying. You can do a SpeedTest.net and you get great throughput but just clicking links the delay is noticeable. Plus don't get me started on video buffering. I am convinced they do that on purpose.
Agreed. Internet is lagging. The problem is the structure of the industry and pricing. Internet is like a utility because it has to be wired to your house, which means competition is low. Secondly, it is very difficult for customers to know what they are actually getting. The industry sells "up to X speed," which mean they can deliver literally any speed and technically meet their end of the deal. There are practical reasons why this system exists and is allowed. However, ISPs are bastards and abuse it. More importantly, ISPs only upgrade their networking gear when their hand is forced. In short, the system is fucked up and nobody knows how to fix it.
14nm - nice! The current A7 is 28nm.
After stripping the marketing bla-bla Samsung's "14nm" process is 20nm FinFET, as is TSMC's "16nm" process.
GloFo dropped the further developement of their own 20nm FinFET process in favour of Samung's. So Samsung could become Apple's contractor and outsource part of the production to GloFo if needed assuring continuousness of production.
After stripping the marketing bla-bla Samsung's "14nm" process is 20nm FinFET, as is TSMC's "16nm" process.
GloFo dropped the further developement of their own 20nm FinFET process in favour of Samung's. So Samsung could become Apple's contractor and outsource part of the production to GloFo if needed assuring continuousness of production.
No it's not. 20nm LPM is not 14nm FinFET.
Thank you, Moore's Law!
Moore just stated the obvious, but times have changed.
Thanks to graphene, graphyne and stanene, electrical conductivity can be 'absolute' at room temperatures (superconductivity). Plus, we also have advancements in quantum computing, which can easily pulverise silicon miroprocessors, and then pulverise it again just for fun.
So no, it has nothing to do with Moore, but everything to do with the brilliant engineers and physicists, who work their asses off to create truly amazing technology.
Given that there have been rumours about up-state NY for months, could it be Global is the manufacturing partner behind Project Azalea after all?
http://www.siliconrepublic.com/business/item/34804-apple-planning-to-make-ipho
Nope. All states previously vying for the project have pulled out and have ended negotiations for Azalea as the project is seen as something short of fraud.
I remember back when 1000 nm was considered a boundary that may never be crossed. Now we are at 1.4% of that and making home electronics with the technology. I boggles my mind...I, who grew up on vacuum tube tech.
If we had somehow got our hands on some of today's technology back in the '50s, I'm sure no one would have guessed it was only from 6 decades in the future.
This is a rumor site, they have no skills in fact checking because it is not required for the content they publish.
Yeah, so I get that it's a rumor site. I've been on here for over 10 years. But, maybe the stuff we know to be fact can be reported correctly.