So by your reasoning, you don't need another law to repeal it?
"The rights of the people are given unless restricted"... by officials the people elected to government. I don't know how it works where you live in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
The point is that some states were enacting laws that intruded on people's private lives and more importantly on the decisions between a doctor and patient. The federal law was to nullify the state laws which were intruding. You can disagree with the law passed in '73 but to claim it is a government intrusion is crazy talk.
I think you're lead in sentence revealed Apple's motivation for the video.
I am somewhat less cynical than you because I don't think that was the only motivation. But yes, marketing was a certainly big part of it. My 'complaint' if you can call it that, was that Apple were too spineless and sanitized their support.
The point is that some states were enacting laws that intruded on people's private lives and more importantly on the decisions between a doctor and patient. The federal law was to nullify the state laws which were intruding. You can disagree with the law passed in '73 but to claim it is a government intrusion is crazy talk.
AlmondRoca is not even coherent and does not even understand the issues. I would go so far as to say they are one of those "hands off my Medicare" tea partiers.
Your first point is right on, from your perspective. Have to respect that.
From there you springboard into characterizing others and start painting with a broad brush.
Your last point is interesting in that folks who aren't pro-gay shouldn't be tolerated for their intolerance. From another perspective, that same stance is being intolerant of others; it can become a "if you're not with us, you're against us" position. I'm just saying that your last point can go both ways. It's sad how polarizing this issue has become. In any case, Kim Jong Un has a limp now.
Who are you referring to by saying "folks who aren't pro gay"? I'm not pro gay. I simply don't think they should be discriminated against in our laws. I'm not pro lawns either but I don't think you should do donuts with your car on my neighbors lawn. He likes his lawn. It's his damn lawn! And most importantly it isn't yours. People who want to discriminate against gay people have left the field of tolerance and shouldn't whine about how their discrimination should be respected. If they want respect they can show some and I'll be the first to welcome them in a civil conversation
Edit: Also, it's not a polarizing issue at all. One group is just so far out in right field they think the middle is extreme.
I can't believe you are so blind in your defending of LBGT that would would begin to compare "Militant Muslims" who torture and mutilate small children and women, who find the weakest and most venerable in the society and send the to their death on suicide runs and who spew more hatred and venom than any radical group in the world to the "Tea Party" who is tired of a government they believe to be to intrusive. I would like to see you offer a side by side comparison of bullet points comparing the two groups so I can see the error of my ways...
The source is the same. Bigotry, intolerance, fear. They want intrusive government, just for their own peeves. They just aren't pushed to the brink like many militants are.
Sorry... they don't want to get into your bedroom. Quite the contrary. They want to get government out of it. Buy your own contraceptives (like I do) and don't force other people to buy them for you. Take some initiative and be responsible for yourself.
Rick Santorum says, in all seriousness, “One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country…. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”
I believe that it is an over simplification of things to simply place Hitler and Nazism as a right wing ideology. It's more complicated than that, and I don't believe that you can merely place Nazism on a simple graph that goes from left to right. That is too elementary school. Nazism has many left wing traits and is closer to left wing ideology and liberals today, than to the right wing and conservatives.
Some people like to point out that the Nazis were against the communists and socialists (even though the Nazis had the word socialist in their party name), but that doesn't automatically make Nazis "right wing". Communists and Nazis were rivals, and just because they disliked each other, that doesn't mean that they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum. No ideology on the planet has killed more people than left wing ideology, this includes Stalin, Mao and Hitler. I won't deny that Hitler had some right wing traits, but let's not pretend that he also didn't have any left wing traits, and his right wing traits have very little to do with any modern right wing traits, and he's much closer aligned to modern left wing thinking.
Just because Nazism borrowed elements of fascism, that doesn't make them right wing either, because fascism is equally as comfortable on the left, represented by various left wing fascist groups and movements that exist today. The Nazis were also anti-capitalist, they were for big government, they were for gun control, they were environmentalists, they were extremely for animal rights, they were of course anti-semitic and they were bizarrely race obsessed. I just described a typical progressive person right there.
I do agree with Corrections on one thing though. The way that Turing was treated by the UK was a disgrace. I remember seeing a documentary about that a long time ago.
I have never read such nonsense & a total distortion of history. Where did you read this nonsense at? Are you really that far gone that you can only subscribe to a total distortion of history made up by right wing ideologues? You really need to check more reputable sources. History & every reputable source on the subject says you are completely wrong. Jesus, what's happened to the conservative movement in this country? Are you trying to somehow equate liberals in the USA as somehow being a slippery slope into Nazism? No one is trying to say that American Conservatism is a slippery slope into Nazism. I don't get your argument & who or what you are trying to defend.
The Environmental Protection (EPA) Agency was proposed by Richard M. Nixon.
Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican & founder of the Progressive Party.
Hopefully that's sarcasm. I understand people having rights, but I do not understand the celebration of deviant behavior which doesn't fit in the natural, biological science of the world.
Shame on Apple for joining in, promoting, and encouraging such a lifestyle choice (NOT genetics as some are led to believe - just look at identical twin studies).
I love people and have friends and family who are gay, but the definition of love is not acceptance of one's behavior in all circumstances! True diversity is a wonderful and powerful thing. Gay, lesbian, and transgender may be a form of diversity but it is not beneficial to society. It is merely a SEXUAL preference - and a twisted, un-natural one at that.
To address some of the hateful comments that may follow, I will reiterate that true love is never defined as an acceptance of another's behavior but rather the acceptance, commitment to, and sacrifice toward the person. True love can often hurt because those who truly love are not afraid to speak and act in truth for the benefit of the one(s) they love.
So many supporters of the gay/lesbian movement tout tolerance but I bet I'll get some seething non-tolerant replies to this post. ;-)
I love people and have friends and family who are gay, but the definition of love is not acceptance of one's behavior in all circumstances! True diversity is a wonderful and powerful thing. Gay, lesbian, and transgender may be a form of diversity but it is not beneficial to society. It is merely a SEXUAL preference - and a twisted, un-natural one at that.
How do your gay family members and gay friends feel about your view that being gay, lesbian or transgender is nothing but a sexual preference? I can't imagine they love you as much as you claim you love them.
How do your gay family members and gay friends feel about your view that being gay, lesbian or transgender is nothing but a sexual preference? I can't imagine they love you as much as you claim you love them.
If you base your whole life on doing things in order to be loved by everyone, you're not likely to accomplish much.
Hopefully that's sarcasm. I understand people having rights, but I do not understand the celebration of deviant behavior which doesn't fit in the natural, biological science of the world.
Shame on Apple for joining in, promoting, and encouraging such a lifestyle choice (NOT genetics as some are led to believe - just look at identical twin studies).
I love people and have friends and family who are gay, but the definition of love is not acceptance of one's behavior in all circumstances! True diversity is a wonderful and powerful thing. Gay, lesbian, and transgender may be a form of diversity but it is not beneficial to society. It is merely a SEXUAL preference - and a twisted, un-natural one at that.
To address some of the hateful comments that may follow, I will reiterate that true love is never defined as an acceptance of another's behavior but rather the acceptance, commitment to, and sacrifice toward the person. True love can often hurt because those who truly love are not afraid to speak and act in truth for the benefit of the one(s) they love.
So many supporters of the gay/lesbian movement tout tolerance but I bet I'll get some seething non-tolerant replies to this post. ;-)
Thank you for providing such a good example of the type of hypocrite I was referring to in a previous post. Throughout your post you insult people different than you by calling them "deviant, twisted, unnatural and of no benefit to society" yet end your post suggesting that people who are offended by your insults are the ones who are intolerant. You are the person who decided to leave the field of tolerance. Don't expect respect if you aren't willing to give any.
If you base your whole life on doing things in order to be loved by everyone, you're not likely to accomplish much.
Your putting words in his mouth. He said nothing about basing your whole life doing things in order to be loved by everyone. He was wondering if the people smurfman considers loved ones might have some misgivings about how smurfman judges them. A very specific situation involving family and friends. Nothing like what you are saying.
How do your gay family members and gay friends feel about your view that being gay, lesbian or transgender is nothing but a sexual preference? I can't imagine they love you as much as you claim you love them.
I've been mocked by some of my family members (and non-family members) who are gay, and that's for just being a Christian. I had not said anything to them or against their lifestyle. I would go to family get togethers at their house to enjoy loved ones and my gay family member would get drunk and start mocking my faith. Again, this mocking was not provoked in ANY way. I had not communicated my viewpoint to him. He did not know my viewpoint whatsoever.
I did not retaliate but just answered his mocking question calmly. I continue to love him even though he treats me (at times) in a very degrading manner. Regarding others comments of me being a hypocrite, I think we all are to a certain extent, but I'm honest as possible about my sin. We ALL sin and sometimes that wrong-doing needs to be called out for our benefit. God's heart is for us to have the best life imaginable. He wants us to be fulfilled and satisfied. My family member, and others I know who willingly engage in homosexual behavior appear happy and fulfilled on the outside but I've come to discover my family member and many others are absolutely miserable with their lives. It's sad and I hate that for them.
And as far as my "views", more and more scientific fact is coming out that it is not genetic. It's a lust and/or desire. That's it.
And no one can escape the truth that being gay/lesbian biologically makes no sense. Male and Female are physiologically built for one another. You may ignore that truthful fact but ignoring the truth does not make it any less a truth. This is not just my opinion, but a simplistic, observable fact.
I've been mocked by some of my family members (and non-family members) who are gay, and that's for just being a Christian. I had not said anything to them or against their lifestyle. I would go to family get togethers at their house to enjoy loved ones and my gay family member would get drunk and start mocking my faith. Again, this mocking was not provoked in ANY way. I had not communicated my viewpoint to him. He did not know my viewpoint whatsoever.
I did not retaliate but just answered his mocking question calmly. I continue to love him even though he treats me (at times) in a very degrading manner. Regarding others comments of me being a hypocrite, I think we all are to a certain extent, but I'm honest as possible about my sin. We ALL sin and sometimes that wrong-doing needs to be called out for our benefit. God's heart is for us to have the best life imaginable. He wants us to be fulfilled and satisfied. My family member, and others I know who willingly engage in homosexual behavior appear happy and fulfilled on the outside but I've come to discover my family member and many others are absolutely miserable with their lives. It's sad and I hate that for them.
And as far as my "views", more and more scientific fact is coming out that it is not genetic. It's a lust and/or desire. That's it.
And no one can escape the truth that being gay/lesbian biologically makes no sense. Male and Female are physiologically built for one another. You may ignore that truthful fact but ignoring the truth does not make it any less a truth. This is not just my opinion, but a simplistic, observable fact.
Your gay relatives anger at your religion likely stems from the fact that you consider him "deviant, twisted, unnatural and of no benefit to society". Surely he knows what your feelings are whether or not you think you've kept them to yourself. You judge him, so he judges you (and your religion). You judge people in the harshest terms and then cry foul when others judge you. You did it on this forum and your doing it to your gay relative. It's impossible to have such a mean spirited opinion and have others around you not know.
You mentioned me calling you a hypocrite and said we all are to some extant and that you are as honest as possible about your sin. I'd like to hear some of that honesty. You seem to acknowledge that you were acting in a hypocritical way but didn't really admit it. What do you think the honest truth is about that? That you weren't a hypocrite? That you were but it's ok for you to do it for some reason.
Also, if your going to claim science backs up your opinion then your going to have to provide proof (a link or citation) no one gets to simply say science says so and offer no proof. You use the phrase truthful fact when what you mean is a strongly held belief. Unless you can provide scientific proof. Using the word fact doesn't make it one.
Your gay relatives anger at your religion likely stems from the fact that you consider him "deviant, twisted, unnatural and of no benefit to society". Surely he knows what your feelings are whether or not you think you've kept them to yourself. You judge him, so he judges you (and your religion). You judge people in the harshest terms and then cry foul when others judge you. You did it on this forum and your doing it to your gay relative. It's impossible to have such a mean spirited opinion and have others around you not know.
You don't know me nor the relationships and personalities involved. All I can say is that I hadn't shared my faith with him, nor my opinion. Also, he knows I am not a "mean-spirited" individual. If you could ask him, he would actually vouch in that regard.
You mentioned me calling you a hypocrite and said we all are to some extant and that you are as honest as possible about your sin. I'd like to hear some of that honesty. You seem to acknowledge that you were acting in a hypocritical way but didn't really admit it. What do you think the honest truth is about that? That you weren't a hypocrite? That you were but it's ok for you to do it for some reason.
My point is, in our lifetimes, we all put on masks and can pretend to be someone were not - or better than we actually are. I have desires/lusts for other women besides my wife. Those desires/lusts, if acted upon, are wrong and should be called-out. We are all subject-able to our own desires. That is why God has given boundaries to both protect us as well as to know what brings Him honor or dishonor.
Also, if your going to claim science backs up your opinion then your going to have to provide proof (a link or citation) no one gets to simply say science says so and offer no proof. You use the phrase truthful fact when what you mean is a strongly held belief. Unless you can provide scientific proof. Using the word fact doesn't make it one.
Again, the "science" I am primarily speaking about is the obvious biological/physiological makeup of both male and female. It is simply beyond obvious (to be direct) that a vagina is made for the males penis in both producing pleasure but especially for the reproductive process. Arguments against this fact would be delusional. If you want a recent scientific study regarding homosexuality in identical twins, here's an unbiased 20-year study: http://www.hollanddavis.com/?p=3647?
Hopefully that's sarcasm. I understand people having rights, but I do not understand the celebration of deviant behavior which doesn't fit in the natural, biological science of the world.
Shame on Apple for joining in, promoting, and encouraging such a lifestyle choice (NOT genetics as some are led to believe - just look at identical twin studies).
I love people and have friends and family who are gay, but the definition of love is not acceptance of one's behavior in all circumstances! True diversity is a wonderful and powerful thing. Gay, lesbian, and transgender may be a form of diversity but it is not beneficial to society. It is merely a SEXUAL preference - and a twisted, un-natural one at that.
To address some of the hateful comments that may follow, I will reiterate that true love is never defined as an acceptance of another's behavior but rather the acceptance, commitment to, and sacrifice toward the person. True love can often hurt because those who truly love are not afraid to speak and act in truth for the benefit of the one(s) they love.
So many supporters of the gay/lesbian movement tout tolerance but I bet I'll get some seething non-tolerant replies to this post. ;-)
Then don't sleep with people of the same sex. That is your right & follows your beliefs.
You don't know me nor the relationships and personalities involved. All I can say is that I hadn't shared my faith with him, nor my opinion. Also, he knows I am not a "mean-spirited" individual. If you could ask him, he would actually vouch in that regard.
1) Are you saying he is clairvoyant or that he just guessed you're Christian?
2) Regardless of how he feels about your religion the question is why you think that gives you carte blanche to attack him. What happened to turn the other cheek? Oh yeah, gays are less than human and God hates fags¡
My point is, in our lifetimes, we all put on masks and can pretend to be someone were not - or better than we actually are. I have desires/lusts for other women besides my wife. Those desires/lusts, if acted upon, are wrong and should be called-out. We are all subject-able to our own desires. That is why God has given boundaries to both protect us as well as to know what brings Him honor or dishonor.
1) Do you or have you ever had lustful desires for the same sex? If so, do you think that was a conscious choice? If not, when did you choose to not be gay?
2) What does Jesus say about homosexuality?
Again, the "science" I am primarily speaking about is the obvious biological/physiological makeup of both male and female. It is simply beyond obvious (to be direct) that a vagina is made for the males penis in both producing pleasure but especially for the reproductive process. Arguments against this fact would be delusional.
Yes, those are sexual organs used for reproductive purposes and based on your definition that feeling comes from the organs themselves and not the physical and chemical make up of the brain despite "science" saying you're wrong. Since these organs are for reproduction it would be deviant, based on your definition, to masturbate or even have intercourse for any other purpose outside of procreation. Furthermore, if one knows they can't get pregnant or make someone pregnant than any such behavior would also be deviant.
If you want a recent scientific study regarding homosexuality in identical twins, here's an unbiased 20-year study: http://www.hollanddavis.com/?p=3647?
1) Are you saying he is clairvoyant or that he just guessed you're Christian?
My guess is he heard from my aunt or possibly my mother. Not 100% sure about that.
2) Regardless of how he feels about your religion the question is why you think that gives you carte blanche to attack him. What happened to turn the other cheek? Oh yeah, gays are less than human and God hates fags¡
No, God does not hate "fags", and I never attacked him. And stating what God has to say about homosexuality and other actions God deems as sins is not an attack – that is a lie our society, media, and our public education system have preached from the rooftops. Those I know who submit their homosexual desires to Christ have come to discover how they were actually in bondage to those desires – slaves to it in a manner of speaking. Many I know have experienced freedom since coming to Christ. Not all have had their desires taken completely away, but some have. Those who haven't had their desires completely taken away but still strive to honor Christ find strength from Him. They're not perfect but they find freedom from the bondage of their desires – the ability and joy in saying no to their temptations and fulfillment in honoring God with their bodies.
1) Do you or have you ever had lustful desires for the same sex? If so, do you think that was a conscious choice? If not, when did you choose to not be gay? I think my other comments here touch on this question.
2) What does Jesus say about homosexuality? One example – Romans 1 (and yes, God is our judge, not me but that doesn't mean God's word about Homosexuality shouldn't be spoken or considered)
Yes, those are sexual organs used for reproductive purposes and based on your definition that feeling comes from the organs themselves and not the physical and chemical make up of the brain despite "science" saying you're wrong. Since these organs are for reproduction it would be deviant, based on your definition, to masturbate or even have intercourse for any other purpose outside of procreation. Furthermore, if one knows they can't get pregnant or make someone pregnant than any such behavior would also be deviant.
Now you're twisting my words. I'm not restricting sexual organs to only reproductive purposes. My point is that it's obvious, from a natural/biological perspective, a male body is sexually fitting ("made for") a female body. Though I know you don't agree with the Bible, it mentions that fact in Romans 1:23 - "Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."
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The point is that some states were enacting laws that intruded on people's private lives and more importantly on the decisions between a doctor and patient. The federal law was to nullify the state laws which were intruding. You can disagree with the law passed in '73 but to claim it is a government intrusion is crazy talk.
I think you're lead in sentence revealed Apple's motivation for the video.
I am somewhat less cynical than you because I don't think that was the only motivation. But yes, marketing was a certainly big part of it. My 'complaint' if you can call it that, was that Apple were too spineless and sanitized their support.
The point is that some states were enacting laws that intruded on people's private lives and more importantly on the decisions between a doctor and patient. The federal law was to nullify the state laws which were intruding. You can disagree with the law passed in '73 but to claim it is a government intrusion is crazy talk.
AlmondRoca is not even coherent and does not even understand the issues. I would go so far as to say they are one of those "hands off my Medicare" tea partiers.
Who are you referring to by saying "folks who aren't pro gay"? I'm not pro gay. I simply don't think they should be discriminated against in our laws. I'm not pro lawns either but I don't think you should do donuts with your car on my neighbors lawn. He likes his lawn. It's his damn lawn! And most importantly it isn't yours. People who want to discriminate against gay people have left the field of tolerance and shouldn't whine about how their discrimination should be respected. If they want respect they can show some and I'll be the first to welcome them in a civil conversation
Edit: Also, it's not a polarizing issue at all. One group is just so far out in right field they think the middle is extreme.
I can't believe you are so blind in your defending of LBGT that would would begin to compare "Militant Muslims" who torture and mutilate small children and women, who find the weakest and most venerable in the society and send the to their death on suicide runs and who spew more hatred and venom than any radical group in the world to the "Tea Party" who is tired of a government they believe to be to intrusive. I would like to see you offer a side by side comparison of bullet points comparing the two groups so I can see the error of my ways...
The source is the same. Bigotry, intolerance, fear. They want intrusive government, just for their own peeves. They just aren't pushed to the brink like many militants are.
Sorry... they don't want to get into your bedroom. Quite the contrary. They want to get government out of it. Buy your own contraceptives (like I do) and don't force other people to buy them for you. Take some initiative and be responsible for yourself.
Rick Santorum says, in all seriousness, “One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country…. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”
I believe that it is an over simplification of things to simply place Hitler and Nazism as a right wing ideology. It's more complicated than that, and I don't believe that you can merely place Nazism on a simple graph that goes from left to right. That is too elementary school. Nazism has many left wing traits and is closer to left wing ideology and liberals today, than to the right wing and conservatives.
Some people like to point out that the Nazis were against the communists and socialists (even though the Nazis had the word socialist in their party name), but that doesn't automatically make Nazis "right wing". Communists and Nazis were rivals, and just because they disliked each other, that doesn't mean that they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum. No ideology on the planet has killed more people than left wing ideology, this includes Stalin, Mao and Hitler. I won't deny that Hitler had some right wing traits, but let's not pretend that he also didn't have any left wing traits, and his right wing traits have very little to do with any modern right wing traits, and he's much closer aligned to modern left wing thinking.
Just because Nazism borrowed elements of fascism, that doesn't make them right wing either, because fascism is equally as comfortable on the left, represented by various left wing fascist groups and movements that exist today. The Nazis were also anti-capitalist, they were for big government, they were for gun control, they were environmentalists, they were extremely for animal rights, they were of course anti-semitic and they were bizarrely race obsessed. I just described a typical progressive person right there.
I do agree with Corrections on one thing though. The way that Turing was treated by the UK was a disgrace. I remember seeing a documentary about that a long time ago.
I have never read such nonsense & a total distortion of history. Where did you read this nonsense at? Are you really that far gone that you can only subscribe to a total distortion of history made up by right wing ideologues? You really need to check more reputable sources. History & every reputable source on the subject says you are completely wrong. Jesus, what's happened to the conservative movement in this country? Are you trying to somehow equate liberals in the USA as somehow being a slippery slope into Nazism? No one is trying to say that American Conservatism is a slippery slope into Nazism. I don't get your argument & who or what you are trying to defend.
The Environmental Protection (EPA) Agency was proposed by Richard M. Nixon.
Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican & founder of the Progressive Party.
Hopefully that's sarcasm. I understand people having rights, but I do not understand the celebration of deviant behavior which doesn't fit in the natural, biological science of the world.
Shame on Apple for joining in, promoting, and encouraging such a lifestyle choice (NOT genetics as some are led to believe - just look at identical twin studies).
I love people and have friends and family who are gay, but the definition of love is not acceptance of one's behavior in all circumstances! True diversity is a wonderful and powerful thing. Gay, lesbian, and transgender may be a form of diversity but it is not beneficial to society. It is merely a SEXUAL preference - and a twisted, un-natural one at that.
To address some of the hateful comments that may follow, I will reiterate that true love is never defined as an acceptance of another's behavior but rather the acceptance, commitment to, and sacrifice toward the person. True love can often hurt because those who truly love are not afraid to speak and act in truth for the benefit of the one(s) they love.
So many supporters of the gay/lesbian movement tout tolerance but I bet I'll get some seething non-tolerant replies to this post. ;-)
How do your gay family members and gay friends feel about your view that being gay, lesbian or transgender is nothing but a sexual preference? I can't imagine they love you as much as you claim you love them.
If you base your whole life on doing things in order to be loved by everyone, you're not likely to accomplish much.
Thank you for providing such a good example of the type of hypocrite I was referring to in a previous post. Throughout your post you insult people different than you by calling them "deviant, twisted, unnatural and of no benefit to society" yet end your post suggesting that people who are offended by your insults are the ones who are intolerant. You are the person who decided to leave the field of tolerance. Don't expect respect if you aren't willing to give any.
Your putting words in his mouth. He said nothing about basing your whole life doing things in order to be loved by everyone. He was wondering if the people smurfman considers loved ones might have some misgivings about how smurfman judges them. A very specific situation involving family and friends. Nothing like what you are saying.
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How do your gay family members and gay friends feel about your view that being gay, lesbian or transgender is nothing but a sexual preference? I can't imagine they love you as much as you claim you love them.
I've been mocked by some of my family members (and non-family members) who are gay, and that's for just being a Christian. I had not said anything to them or against their lifestyle. I would go to family get togethers at their house to enjoy loved ones and my gay family member would get drunk and start mocking my faith. Again, this mocking was not provoked in ANY way. I had not communicated my viewpoint to him. He did not know my viewpoint whatsoever.
I did not retaliate but just answered his mocking question calmly. I continue to love him even though he treats me (at times) in a very degrading manner. Regarding others comments of me being a hypocrite, I think we all are to a certain extent, but I'm honest as possible about my sin. We ALL sin and sometimes that wrong-doing needs to be called out for our benefit. God's heart is for us to have the best life imaginable. He wants us to be fulfilled and satisfied. My family member, and others I know who willingly engage in homosexual behavior appear happy and fulfilled on the outside but I've come to discover my family member and many others are absolutely miserable with their lives. It's sad and I hate that for them.
And as far as my "views", more and more scientific fact is coming out that it is not genetic. It's a lust and/or desire. That's it.
And no one can escape the truth that being gay/lesbian biologically makes no sense. Male and Female are physiologically built for one another. You may ignore that truthful fact but ignoring the truth does not make it any less a truth. This is not just my opinion, but a simplistic, observable fact.
Your gay relatives anger at your religion likely stems from the fact that you consider him "deviant, twisted, unnatural and of no benefit to society". Surely he knows what your feelings are whether or not you think you've kept them to yourself. You judge him, so he judges you (and your religion). You judge people in the harshest terms and then cry foul when others judge you. You did it on this forum and your doing it to your gay relative. It's impossible to have such a mean spirited opinion and have others around you not know.
You mentioned me calling you a hypocrite and said we all are to some extant and that you are as honest as possible about your sin. I'd like to hear some of that honesty. You seem to acknowledge that you were acting in a hypocritical way but didn't really admit it. What do you think the honest truth is about that? That you weren't a hypocrite? That you were but it's ok for you to do it for some reason.
Also, if your going to claim science backs up your opinion then your going to have to provide proof (a link or citation) no one gets to simply say science says so and offer no proof. You use the phrase truthful fact when what you mean is a strongly held belief. Unless you can provide scientific proof. Using the word fact doesn't make it one.
Your gay relatives anger at your religion likely stems from the fact that you consider him "deviant, twisted, unnatural and of no benefit to society". Surely he knows what your feelings are whether or not you think you've kept them to yourself. You judge him, so he judges you (and your religion). You judge people in the harshest terms and then cry foul when others judge you. You did it on this forum and your doing it to your gay relative. It's impossible to have such a mean spirited opinion and have others around you not know.
You mentioned me calling you a hypocrite and said we all are to some extant and that you are as honest as possible about your sin. I'd like to hear some of that honesty. You seem to acknowledge that you were acting in a hypocritical way but didn't really admit it. What do you think the honest truth is about that? That you weren't a hypocrite? That you were but it's ok for you to do it for some reason.
Also, if your going to claim science backs up your opinion then your going to have to provide proof (a link or citation) no one gets to simply say science says so and offer no proof. You use the phrase truthful fact when what you mean is a strongly held belief. Unless you can provide scientific proof. Using the word fact doesn't make it one.
Hopefully that's sarcasm. I understand people having rights, but I do not understand the celebration of deviant behavior which doesn't fit in the natural, biological science of the world.
Shame on Apple for joining in, promoting, and encouraging such a lifestyle choice (NOT genetics as some are led to believe - just look at identical twin studies).
I love people and have friends and family who are gay, but the definition of love is not acceptance of one's behavior in all circumstances! True diversity is a wonderful and powerful thing. Gay, lesbian, and transgender may be a form of diversity but it is not beneficial to society. It is merely a SEXUAL preference - and a twisted, un-natural one at that.
To address some of the hateful comments that may follow, I will reiterate that true love is never defined as an acceptance of another's behavior but rather the acceptance, commitment to, and sacrifice toward the person. True love can often hurt because those who truly love are not afraid to speak and act in truth for the benefit of the one(s) they love.
So many supporters of the gay/lesbian movement tout tolerance but I bet I'll get some seething non-tolerant replies to this post. ;-)
Then don't sleep with people of the same sex. That is your right & follows your beliefs.
1) Are you saying he is clairvoyant or that he just guessed you're Christian?
2) Regardless of how he feels about your religion the question is why you think that gives you carte blanche to attack him. What happened to turn the other cheek? Oh yeah, gays are less than human and God hates fags¡
1) Do you or have you ever had lustful desires for the same sex? If so, do you think that was a conscious choice? If not, when did you choose to not be gay?
2) What does Jesus say about homosexuality?
Yes, those are sexual organs used for reproductive purposes and based on your definition that feeling comes from the organs themselves and not the physical and chemical make up of the brain despite "science" saying you're wrong. Since these organs are for reproduction it would be deviant, based on your definition, to masturbate or even have intercourse for any other purpose outside of procreation. Furthermore, if one knows they can't get pregnant or make someone pregnant than any such behavior would also be deviant.
Now you're just writing stupid shit.
1) Are you saying he is clairvoyant or that he just guessed you're Christian?
2) Regardless of how he feels about your religion the question is why you think that gives you carte blanche to attack him. What happened to turn the other cheek? Oh yeah, gays are less than human and God hates fags¡
No, God does not hate "fags", and I never attacked him. And stating what God has to say about homosexuality and other actions God deems as sins is not an attack – that is a lie our society, media, and our public education system have preached from the rooftops. Those I know who submit their homosexual desires to Christ have come to discover how they were actually in bondage to those desires – slaves to it in a manner of speaking. Many I know have experienced freedom since coming to Christ. Not all have had their desires taken completely away, but some have. Those who haven't had their desires completely taken away but still strive to honor Christ find strength from Him. They're not perfect but they find freedom from the bondage of their desires – the ability and joy in saying no to their temptations and fulfillment in honoring God with their bodies.
1) Do you or have you ever had lustful desires for the same sex? If so, do you think that was a conscious choice? If not, when did you choose to not be gay? I think my other comments here touch on this question.
2) What does Jesus say about homosexuality? One example – Romans 1 (and yes, God is our judge, not me but that doesn't mean God's word about Homosexuality shouldn't be spoken or considered)