So if someone can not afford a cure for a disease they have you would like to see them die?
Let me tell you a secret. Money has no real value, but a life is real. If you and I were in a desert, you having a billion dollars and me having several gallons of water do you think I'd take any of your money in exchange for my water?
I may be getting a little deep here, but inhumane views like yours are disturbing to say the least.
Oh definitely. If I somehow came up with the cure for cancer tomorrow, do you think that I'd be giving it away for free? " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
No siree. If I invented the cure for cancer, then I would expect no less than to become the richest person on the planet. Warren Buffet would be a bum compared to me. I wouldn't price the cure so expensive that the average person (in a developed country) couldn't afford it, but I would probably price it at around the cost of a house. What's more important to people, their house or their life?
As for your desert scenario, of course money would be completely worthless in that situation.
Oh definitely. If I somehow came up with the cure for cancer tomorrow, do you think that I'd be giving it away for free?
No siree. If I invented the cure for cancer, then I would expect no less than to become the richest person on the planet. Warren Buffet would be a bum compared to me. I wouldn't price the cure so expensive that the average person (in a developed country) couldn't afford it, but I would probably price it at around the cost of a house. What's more important to people, their house or their life?
As for your desert scenario, of course money would be completely worthless in that situation.
You're astounding. Once you witness some of those deaths first hand I hope you come back to Earth. There are others here besides just you.
I'm not going to derail this thread any further. Apparently damage done. I was hoping for a discussion on the merits of the material in the original article and showing an example of how something great just gets hidden or lost.
Why would any if these torture tests matter without a control? Without the same tests performed on Gorilla Glass 3 also, these aren't just suspicious but also have no value.
That's the only part of the video that seems wrong to me. I'd think a 1.6 tonne vehicle wouldn't be an issue especially since we're talking about it being 1/4 the weight with 50/50 load balanced car and the force spread out over the entire front panel area. Wouldn't that be force per square mm than a nail being hammered?
Glad you brought that up. Working the math it's about 800 lbs per tire assuming it's equally distributed. That would be substantially more than I would expect with the how hard he was hammering or driving the nail. What I'm concerned about is more along the lines of if sapphire is going to require the anti-smudge coating as I hear that for the current screens that that is what actually scratches rather than the glass itself. If not then I'm pretty excited to have this on the new iPhones.
I believe this is happening and my gut says that this is Apple prepping us. It just seems that the slow leak of info that happens prior to any new Apple release is the perfect (covert) firm of marketing. Free marketing. I may be wrong but Apple sure as he'll is not losing anything by these leaks
Glad you brought that up. Working the math it's about 800 lbs per tire assuming it's equally distributed. That would be substantially more than I would expect with the how hard he was hammering or driving the nail. What I'm concerned about is more along the lines of if sapphire is going to require the anti-smudge coating as I hear that for the current screens that that is what actually scratches rather than the glass itself. If not then I'm pretty excited to have this on the new iPhones.
That's the thing. Sapphire and synthetically produced sapphire is non-porus. So just the screen itself would be better than any screen protector you could buy at the moment other than the current Sapphire screen protectors that are currently on the market. A simple wipe on your sleeve or shirt would remove almost any oil, which is still what you need to do with the polymer screen protectors that have hit mass market.
Sapphire is used in dental implants because nothing "sticks" to it.
I'm surprised the Apple Rumor sites haven't noted this in any of their articles.
So if someone can not afford a cure for a disease they have you would like to see them die?
Let me tell you a secret. Money has no real value, but a life is real. If you and I were in a desert, you having a billion dollars and me having several gallons of water do you think I'd take any of your money in exchange for my water?
I may be getting a little deep here, but inhumane views like yours are disturbing to say the least.
That is a useless argument as the money would have no value.
Do you work for free? Why should others? If someone has a cure, and you don't want people to die, YOU buy them the cure.
But why would most people invest time and money into something they won't get anything from? It is not really human nature.
Sure, it would be nice if a bunch of people were running around inventing everything that cost you nothing but improved your life, but that is not how things work for the most part. People take risks, they expect to be rewarded if those risks pan out. Why is that so bad?
That's the thing. Sapphire and synthetically produced sapphire is non-porus. So just the screen itself would be better than any screen protector you could buy at the moment other than the current Sapphire screen protectors that are currently on the market. A simple wipe on your sleeve or shirt would remove almost any oil, which is still what you need to do with the polymer screen protectors that have hit mass market.
Sapphire is used in dental implants because nothing "sticks" to it.
I'm surprised the Apple Rumor sites haven't noted this in any of their articles.
Well, was looking it up and found that they patented an OLEOPHOBIC COATING ON SAPPHIRE, so it's possible that we might still see scratches on iPhone screens, I don't see anything to suggest that these coating will resist scratches.
That is a useless argument as the money would have no value.
Do you work for free? Why should others? If someone has a cure, and you don't want people to die, YOU buy them the cure.
But why would most people invest time and money into something they won't get anything from? It is not really human nature.
Sure, it would be nice if a bunch of people were running around inventing everything that cost you nothing but improved your life, but that is not how things work for the most part. People take risks, they expect to be rewarded if those risks pan out. Why is that so bad?
You missed the point of my statement. The purpose was to show that money has no value, which is exactly what you said.
Edit: I'm not against making money per say. The lack of regard for other people was what I was answering. However, money is a faith. It's not an absolute intrinsic value.
Well, was looking it up and found that they patented an OLEOPHOBIC COATING ON SAPPHIRE, so it's possible that we might still see scratches on iPhone screens, I don't see anything to suggest that these coating will resist scratches.
I saw that patent also, although your link is broken.
I'm hoping they are either trying to "cover their bases" by patenting any derivative technology, or have engineered a separate solution. Sapphire by it's actual nature would not need any type of "screen protector". You also have to realize that you can not patent Sapphire as a material. You can only patent treatments or manufacturing processes for Sapphire.
So even though Apple][ only wants App,e to use Sapphire, anyone can use it without a patent. It's just cost relevant at this point. Corning's smear campaign will not last long. They use glass, which has always been a treatment application. Basically they're just making sand better. However sand will still abrade on any Corning treatment.
I saw that patent also, although your link is broken.
I'm hoping they are either trying to "cover their bases" by patenting any derivative technology, or have engineered a separate solution. Sapphire by it's actual nature would not need any type of "screen protector". You also have to realize that you can not patent Sapphire as a material. You can only patent treatments or manufacturing processes for Sapphire.
So even though Apple][ only wants App,e to use Sapphire, anyone can use it without a patent. It's just cost relevant at this point. Corning's smear campaign will not last long. They use glass, which has always been a treatment application. Basically they're just making sand better. However sand will still abrade on any Corning treatment.
I realize that, and while it would be great to not have to worry about it breaking as much with sapphire I would imagine that more people have issues with scratching, why I bring up the coating. But I can just hope that the composition of the new coating will wear better than the current one. I just found a shallow scratch on my iPad and I baby the hell out of it, think it's just the coating but still very noticeable.
If they make the whole thing out of Sapphire it may. Every time I see these Sapphire rumors with Apple in the headline I visualize a transparent phone when off.
We're very slowly moving to Sapphire electronic technology vs silicon electronic tech. It's only a matter of time really.
I think the credits at the end listed Industrial Light & Magic, but I can't be sure since I can't read Chinese. (They could have been state secrets for all I know.)
I realize that, and while it would be great to not have to worry about it breaking as much with sapphire I would imagine that more people have issues with scratching, why I bring up the coating. But I can just hope that the composition of the new coating will wear better than the current one. I just found a shallow scratch on my iPad and I baby the hell out of it, think it's just the coating but still very noticeable.
You're missing the point. The average person (besides an engagement ring) does not have the ability to make a scratch on a sapphire product. Were at the beginning of this now. Years from now most people will have windows will be made of it. Have you ever looked at your window and seen the dirt clinging to the outside? Sapphire is non-porus. Nothi will stick to it.
Back around 2001 I worked at a manufacturing plant that made diamonds. That's the next step, but it's still about twenty or thirty years away.
Edit: you will not need a screen protector. You will barely make skin oil smudges on the surface (oil is pervasive). It will not get scratched.
I'm not saying Apple will use a sapphire screen, but all of the evidence is pointing towards it. That video was very damn near compelling that the material was sapphire to me.
Wow. Just realized there's a "block list". AI just got so much better.
?Anyway…. I'm still going with Gorilla Glass 3 as what it is that we are seeing here (Though I'm not holding to that as strongly as I was after seeing that earlier video from MKBHD. We'll see.
You're missing the point. The average person (besides an engagement ring) does not have the ability to make a scratch on a sapphire product. Were at the beginning of this now. Years from now most people will have windows will be made of it. Have you ever looked at your window and seen the dirt clinging to the outside? Sapphire is non-porus. Nothi will stick to it.
Back around 2001 I worked at a manufacturing plant that made diamonds. That's the next step, but it's still about twenty or thirty years away.
Edit: you will not need a screen protector. You will barely make skin oil smudges on the surface (oil is pervasive). It will not get scratched.
I'm not saying Apple will use a sapphire screen, but all of the evidence is pointing towards it. That video was very damn near compelling that the material was sapphire to me.
Not missing the point. If it's true that most of the scratches on screens are only at the coating level then it's irrelevant how resistant sapphire is, unless you take the coating off yourself or Apple decides not to apply it to the new sapphire screens any scratches to the screen will be visible. Now if that screen that they tested in the video has the anti smudge coating then I'm impressed and won't worry about it.
Not missing the point. If it's true that most of the scratches on screens are only at the coating level then it's irrelevant how resistant sapphire is, unless you take the coating off yourself or Apple decides not to apply it to the new sapphire screens any scratches to the screen will be visible. Now if that screen that they tested in the video has the anti smudge coating then I'm impressed and won't worry about it.
You did miss the point. THERE IS NO NEED FOR ANY COATING. SO THERE WILL NOT BE A COATING TO SCRATCH. Does caps help?
Also, I'm not sure why all of the rumor sites keep stating that Sapphire is less transparent than glass now that I think of it. It allows more light through than standard silicon glass and indeed allows more wavelengths than the human eye can detect. That's not the case with silicon glass. I keep wondering why these sites post that it's not as good. ...oh, Gurman probably stated something like that and it's just being parroted.
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So if someone can not afford a cure for a disease they have you would like to see them die?
Let me tell you a secret. Money has no real value, but a life is real. If you and I were in a desert, you having a billion dollars and me having several gallons of water do you think I'd take any of your money in exchange for my water?
I may be getting a little deep here, but inhumane views like yours are disturbing to say the least.
Oh definitely. If I somehow came up with the cure for cancer tomorrow, do you think that I'd be giving it away for free?
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No siree. If I invented the cure for cancer, then I would expect no less than to become the richest person on the planet. Warren Buffet would be a bum compared to me. I wouldn't price the cure so expensive that the average person (in a developed country) couldn't afford it, but I would probably price it at around the cost of a house. What's more important to people, their house or their life?
As for your desert scenario, of course money would be completely worthless in that situation.
You're astounding. Once you witness some of those deaths first hand I hope you come back to Earth. There are others here besides just you.
Seeing as you won't even Google...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlite
I'm not going to derail this thread any further. Apparently damage done. I was hoping for a discussion on the merits of the material in the original article and showing an example of how something great just gets hidden or lost.
Glad you brought that up. Working the math it's about 800 lbs per tire assuming it's equally distributed. That would be substantially more than I would expect with the how hard he was hammering or driving the nail. What I'm concerned about is more along the lines of if sapphire is going to require the anti-smudge coating as I hear that for the current screens that that is what actually scratches rather than the glass itself. If not then I'm pretty excited to have this on the new iPhones.
That's the thing. Sapphire and synthetically produced sapphire is non-porus. So just the screen itself would be better than any screen protector you could buy at the moment other than the current Sapphire screen protectors that are currently on the market. A simple wipe on your sleeve or shirt would remove almost any oil, which is still what you need to do with the polymer screen protectors that have hit mass market.
Sapphire is used in dental implants because nothing "sticks" to it.
I'm surprised the Apple Rumor sites haven't noted this in any of their articles.
So if someone can not afford a cure for a disease they have you would like to see them die?
Let me tell you a secret. Money has no real value, but a life is real. If you and I were in a desert, you having a billion dollars and me having several gallons of water do you think I'd take any of your money in exchange for my water?
I may be getting a little deep here, but inhumane views like yours are disturbing to say the least.
That is a useless argument as the money would have no value.
Do you work for free? Why should others? If someone has a cure, and you don't want people to die, YOU buy them the cure.
But why would most people invest time and money into something they won't get anything from? It is not really human nature.
Sure, it would be nice if a bunch of people were running around inventing everything that cost you nothing but improved your life, but that is not how things work for the most part. People take risks, they expect to be rewarded if those risks pan out. Why is that so bad?
I hope they got scratchproof and dentproof manufacturing liquidmetal also done... The competition will get stomped on.
Well, was looking it up and found that they patented an OLEOPHOBIC COATING ON SAPPHIRE, so it's possible that we might still see scratches on iPhone screens, I don't see anything to suggest that these coating will resist scratches.
http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=(428%2F432.CCLS.+AND+20140327.PD.)&OS=ccl/428/432+and+pd/3/27/2014&RS=(CCL/428/432+AND+PD/20140327)
You missed the point of my statement. The purpose was to show that money has no value, which is exactly what you said.
Edit: I'm not against making money per say. The lack of regard for other people was what I was answering. However, money is a faith. It's not an absolute intrinsic value.
I saw that patent also, although your link is broken.
I'm hoping they are either trying to "cover their bases" by patenting any derivative technology, or have engineered a separate solution. Sapphire by it's actual nature would not need any type of "screen protector". You also have to realize that you can not patent Sapphire as a material. You can only patent treatments or manufacturing processes for Sapphire.
So even though Apple][ only wants App,e to use Sapphire, anyone can use it without a patent. It's just cost relevant at this point. Corning's smear campaign will not last long. They use glass, which has always been a treatment application. Basically they're just making sand better. However sand will still abrade on any Corning treatment.
I realize that, and while it would be great to not have to worry about it breaking as much with sapphire I would imagine that more people have issues with scratching, why I bring up the coating. But I can just hope that the composition of the new coating will wear better than the current one. I just found a shallow scratch on my iPad and I baby the hell out of it, think it's just the coating but still very noticeable.
If they make the whole thing out of Sapphire it may. Every time I see these Sapphire rumors with Apple in the headline I visualize a transparent phone when off.
We're very slowly moving to Sapphire electronic technology vs silicon electronic tech. It's only a matter of time really.
I think the credits at the end listed Industrial Light & Magic, but I can't be sure since I can't read Chinese. (They could have been state secrets for all I know.)
You're missing the point. The average person (besides an engagement ring) does not have the ability to make a scratch on a sapphire product. Were at the beginning of this now. Years from now most people will have windows will be made of it. Have you ever looked at your window and seen the dirt clinging to the outside? Sapphire is non-porus. Nothi will stick to it.
Back around 2001 I worked at a manufacturing plant that made diamonds. That's the next step, but it's still about twenty or thirty years away.
Edit: you will not need a screen protector. You will barely make skin oil smudges on the surface (oil is pervasive). It will not get scratched.
I'm not saying Apple will use a sapphire screen, but all of the evidence is pointing towards it. That video was very damn near compelling that the material was sapphire to me.
Wow. Just realized there's a "block list". AI just got so much better.
?Anyway…. I'm still going with Gorilla Glass 3 as what it is that we are seeing here (Though I'm not holding to that as strongly as I was after seeing that earlier video from MKBHD. We'll see.
Not missing the point. If it's true that most of the scratches on screens are only at the coating level then it's irrelevant how resistant sapphire is, unless you take the coating off yourself or Apple decides not to apply it to the new sapphire screens any scratches to the screen will be visible. Now if that screen that they tested in the video has the anti smudge coating then I'm impressed and won't worry about it.
You did miss the point. THERE IS NO NEED FOR ANY COATING. SO THERE WILL NOT BE A COATING TO SCRATCH. Does caps help?
Also, I'm not sure why all of the rumor sites keep stating that Sapphire is less transparent than glass now that I think of it. It allows more light through than standard silicon glass and indeed allows more wavelengths than the human eye can detect. That's not the case with silicon glass. I keep wondering why these sites post that it's not as good. ...oh, Gurman probably stated something like that and it's just being parroted.