Totally clueless. And have people already forgotten about Continuity and Handoff? I think those features will make Macs very appealing to business. I hope at some point this IBM salesforce is also able to offer Macs to enterprise clients.
Any significance to Apple announcing this right before earnings release? Does it perhaps signal a good quarter? Or maybe they announced it now to cover up a not so great quarter?
Nope. Apple announces when it's ready. If they wanted to "cover up a bad qtr" they would announce it the next day.
Fair enough. Apple will control the mobile side of any company IBM serves. That's awesome.
It's probably also reasonable to expect that a system from IBM will increase the number of mobile devices in use by their customers. Also good.
I wonder why IBM partnered with Apple for mobile but not the desktop? I'm sure a healthy number of desktops will wind up being replaced by iPads, but desktop machines are still gonna make up the lion's share of hardware in just about any corporate environment (try giving your bean counter an iPad instead of a big screen with a real keyboard and see what happens!). If people were introduced to Macs at work, imagine what would happen to consumer demand!
There are more iPads in offices than Macs. It's a numbers game.
Totally clueless. And have people already forgotten about Continuity and Handoff? I think those features will make Macs very appealing to business. I hope at some point this IBM salesforce is also able to offer Macs to enterprise clients.
And Swift, amazing Swift!
I cut my teeth learning to program on IBM maimframes -- and have used almost every programming language/environment they offered ...
They never had nuttin' like Swift.
I suspect that IBM and Apple will write most of their future apps using Swift!
And it follows that IT departments that want to write apps for these devices will use Swift, too ...
And, Swift only runs on Macs ...
"Swift is one of the best OOP programming languages", said Tim, objectively.
I'll take a wait and see approach about this deal. "cloud" and "analytics" have become buzzwords for companies to attract attention. Let me see what kind of apps they can come up with. Will this deal really benefit enterprise users or is it just turning IBM into another Apple store?
The beauty of it is that Apple & IBM remained silent until they had the software ready to go before announcing and therefore taking the industry by storm.
The beauty is that the supply chain didn't leak this and then later leak word of delays to Ming-chi Kuo. This announcement could have been "delayed" from an earlier launch date for all we know, but because we didn't know or expect it, any change in plans would not "disappoint" the concern trolls.
Another potential advantage to SMB and enterprise is that IBM already has the infrastructure in place to offer financing/leasing of iDevices to their customers. This can be a very attractive option when a business is considering deployment of hundreds or thousands of devices.
Nope. Apple announces when it's ready. If they wanted to "cover up a bad qtr" they would announce it the next day.
Apple and IBM have been working on this for two years. It didn't just become ready yesterday, I'm not suggesting Apple is going to have a bad quarter, just wondering why announce it now considering Apple doesn't usually make announcements right before earnings release. Also there were some Wall Street analysts on CNBC yesterday wondering if IBM announced to now to cover up a not so great quarter.
You are right. Steve's vision was to make insanely great products, and that is what I meant. But I don't remember him wanting to be the uber-dominating tech company like Bill Gates' Windows everywhere and in everything philosophy. "Stay hungry, stay foolish."- isn't that what underdogs do? Isn't that the point of the "1984" commercial?
[SIZE=10px]/Philosopher mode off[/SIZE]
I think this sums up the Jobs focus when he returned to Apple. In fact, the whole Q&A gives a lot of insight into Jobs PoV.
Hell has frozen over.. Crows have turned white.. And Steve Jobs is rolling over his grave.
Steve Jobs spun a deal with IBM 25 years ago with Mac OSX Alpha. I sat in IBM Austin's Faraday cage of a meeting room to look at NeXTSTEP on an IBM RS/6000.
This deal is much more inline with no-compromise mode of 'we build the hardware AND the OS... you just build the apps' He developed post the WhiteBox OpenSTEP mode that sucked the energy out of NeXT as a HW company (but allows OSX to be a free agent ontop of any platform Apple feels is most beneficial... SPARC, POWER, x86, ARM, ASeries, MIPS, whatever).
So... I think this is a deal he would have made. Especially working from a position of strength ("Hey, we're going into the enterprise whether you like it or not, either you carry us in with your consultant's portfolio of glossies, or we find someone else and you'll end up fighting for every consulting dollar you earn").
Apple and IBM have been working on this for two years. It didn't just become ready yesterday, I'm not suggesting Apple is going to have a bad quarter, just wondering why announce it now considering Apple doesn't usually make announcements right before earnings release. Also there were some Wall Street analysts on CNBC yesterday wondering if IBM announced to now to cover up a not so great quarter.
You know that IBM sold their Intel desktop and server business to Lenovo right?
You also know that VMWare and Linux are taking on Microsoft in the Data Center.
Surely you know that the IBM deal is not Apple's only angle here.
Microsoft does not have the vertical business applications nor the global support that IBM has.
Microsoft is struggling with its mobile devices that still want to be desktop PCs.
Exactly right. MS are getting squeezed out from all sides and deservedly so. Good riddance!
Apple and IBM have been working on this for two years. It didn't just become ready yesterday, I'm not suggesting Apple is going to have a bad quarter, just wondering why announce it now considering Apple doesn't usually make announcements right before earnings release. Also there were some Wall Street analysts on CNBC yesterday wondering if IBM announced to now to cover up a not so great quarter.
I think the answer is as Dick points out, Swift ... the timing is right for all this now, not two years ago.
I'll take a wait and see approach about this deal. "cloud" and "analytics" have become buzzwords for companies to attract attention. Let me see what kind of apps they can come up with. Will this deal really benefit enterprise users or is it just turning IBM into another Apple store?
Even if it is, it's a big store. IBM is a mainline multi-tier (cloud, managed data center, development, infrastructure, managed services, *aaS, custom SW, COTS SW, consulting, solutions, business) consultancy. Few compete with them soup to nuts.
it may sound trivial, but managing endpoint devices is an 8digit problem for most companies that have to show 'managed endpoint security' (Factoid: If a business does business in Massachusetts with a person or a corporation, All their computers that connect to their network or have the potential to hold data on MA entities must be proven to be fully managed and have all the controls in place to detect and prevent the exposure of said data that a full fledged data center has (in layman's terms, if some downloads a report from the company server, every view, printing, emailing of that report has to validated to be appropriate business use, and the activity logged, and the logs reviewed by someone who reports to someone who could go to jail for failing to do so). F500 companies spend big bucks in 'asset and configuration management' but most of those products are better 'how to manage ours and our employees (BYOD) Windows devices' mousetraps. iOS devices are square pegs to the round holes of Tivoli End Point Management. And agreement like this is great for IBM, and great for Apple, as they can focus on the SMB and the home, and let IBM solve the problem for the 30,000 iPad/iPhone population for the State of NY, or Chevron, or whomever.
MSFT and HPQ are up about the same. No big deal. People here seem to think IBM has some monopoly on business services. IBM needs Apple way more than Apple needs IBM. That is why I think it is not such a big deal, maybe even a negative in the long term for Apple. Splitting up the App Store, letting IBM activate iPads, do warranty repairs and install low level security software is just a bad idea in my opinion. Reading through IBM's Bluemix website, my opinion is that they are nothing more than snake oil salesmen. I would recommend staying as far away from IBM as possible.
It's crystal clear the analysts have no clue how to process this new information. On a forward-looking basis (which is allegedly the world these clowns live in) this is an enormous deal. What does that translate into, on a dollars and cents level? Well, start talking to people in the businesses that would be affected, folks!
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Nope. Apple announces when it's ready. If they wanted to "cover up a bad qtr" they would announce it the next day.
There are more iPads in offices than Macs. It's a numbers game.
Good for me, then, on both!
And Swift, amazing Swift!
I cut my teeth learning to program on IBM maimframes -- and have used almost every programming language/environment they offered ...
They never had nuttin' like Swift.
I suspect that IBM and Apple will write most of their future apps using Swift!
And it follows that IT departments that want to write apps for these devices will use Swift, too ...
And, Swift only runs on Macs ...
"Swift is one of the best OOP programming languages", said Tim, objectively.
I'll take a wait and see approach about this deal. "cloud" and "analytics" have become buzzwords for companies to attract attention. Let me see what kind of apps they can come up with. Will this deal really benefit enterprise users or is it just turning IBM into another Apple store?
The beauty is that the supply chain didn't leak this and then later leak word of delays to Ming-chi Kuo. This announcement could have been "delayed" from an earlier launch date for all we know, but because we didn't know or expect it, any change in plans would not "disappoint" the concern trolls.
The rumor mill hurts Apple.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/business-equipment-buying-vs-leasing-29714.html
"Interactive development and testing with Swift is kind of fun", said Tim, playfully!
I think this sums up the Jobs focus when he returned to Apple. In fact, the whole Q&A gives a lot of insight into Jobs PoV.
Hell has frozen over.. Crows have turned white.. And Steve Jobs is rolling over his grave.
Steve Jobs spun a deal with IBM 25 years ago with Mac OSX Alpha. I sat in IBM Austin's Faraday cage of a meeting room to look at NeXTSTEP on an IBM RS/6000.
http://www.kevra.org/TheBestOfNext/ThirdPartyProducts/ThirdPartyHardware/NeXTSTEPonNonNeXTComputers/NeXTSTEPonNonNeXTComputers.html
This deal is much more inline with no-compromise mode of 'we build the hardware AND the OS... you just build the apps' He developed post the WhiteBox OpenSTEP mode that sucked the energy out of NeXT as a HW company (but allows OSX to be a free agent ontop of any platform Apple feels is most beneficial... SPARC, POWER, x86, ARM, ASeries, MIPS, whatever).
So... I think this is a deal he would have made. Especially working from a position of strength ("Hey, we're going into the enterprise whether you like it or not, either you carry us in with your consultant's portfolio of glossies, or we find someone else and you'll end up fighting for every consulting dollar you earn").
It also didn't become ready on day 1.
Plus you lost me at CNBC.
Ohh WOW! I'm stunned. Everyone in Cupertino knows Virginia is Tim Cooks Fag Hag and Tim Cook is Virginia's gay husband.
Exactly right. MS are getting squeezed out from all sides and deservedly so. Good riddance!
I think the answer is as Dick points out, Swift ... the timing is right for all this now, not two years ago.
I'll take a wait and see approach about this deal. "cloud" and "analytics" have become buzzwords for companies to attract attention. Let me see what kind of apps they can come up with. Will this deal really benefit enterprise users or is it just turning IBM into another Apple store?
Even if it is, it's a big store. IBM is a mainline multi-tier (cloud, managed data center, development, infrastructure, managed services, *aaS, custom SW, COTS SW, consulting, solutions, business) consultancy. Few compete with them soup to nuts.
it may sound trivial, but managing endpoint devices is an 8digit problem for most companies that have to show 'managed endpoint security' (Factoid: If a business does business in Massachusetts with a person or a corporation, All their computers that connect to their network or have the potential to hold data on MA entities must be proven to be fully managed and have all the controls in place to detect and prevent the exposure of said data that a full fledged data center has (in layman's terms, if some downloads a report from the company server, every view, printing, emailing of that report has to validated to be appropriate business use, and the activity logged, and the logs reviewed by someone who reports to someone who could go to jail for failing to do so). F500 companies spend big bucks in 'asset and configuration management' but most of those products are better 'how to manage ours and our employees (BYOD) Windows devices' mousetraps. iOS devices are square pegs to the round holes of Tivoli End Point Management. And agreement like this is great for IBM, and great for Apple, as they can focus on the SMB and the home, and let IBM solve the problem for the 30,000 iPad/iPhone population for the State of NY, or Chevron, or whomever.
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MSFT and HPQ are up about the same. No big deal. People here seem to think IBM has some monopoly on business services. IBM needs Apple way more than Apple needs IBM. That is why I think it is not such a big deal, maybe even a negative in the long term for Apple. Splitting up the App Store, letting IBM activate iPads, do warranty repairs and install low level security software is just a bad idea in my opinion. Reading through IBM's Bluemix website, my opinion is that they are nothing more than snake oil salesmen. I would recommend staying as far away from IBM as possible.
IBM Opens Chip Architecture, in Strategy of Sharing and Self-Interest
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/ibm-opens-chip-architecture-in-strategy-of-sharing-and-self-interest/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
Why IBM Just Bet $3 Billion Of Its Research Budget On The Death Of Moore's Law
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2014/07/10/why-ibm-just-bet-10-of-its-research-budget-on-3-billion-next-gen-chips/
Apple Joins With IBM on Business Software
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/technology/apple-and-ibm-in-broad-software-deal-for-businesses.html
Analysis affirms Apple's A7 processor closer to a desktop CPU than regular mobile chip
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/03/31/analysis-affirms-apples-a7-processor-closer-to-a-desktop-cpu-than-regular-mobile-chip
Could Apple be planning on throwing a curve ball with an ARM + PowerPC replacement in the future?