This is typical bureaucratic behavior.. Rather than adding any value to the system they simply do whatever they feel is needed to justify their own existance. A symptom of this sickness is never providing concrete standards or guidelines and only reacting to whatever working people do for a living. "I'm not going to tell you what I like, I'm only going to tell you what I don't like after you submit your next attempt." This creates an endless cycle so they always feel needed and worthy. We know otherwise. They are worthless.
Totally destroys any credibility you may have had.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I guess no one at the EU followed the WWDC keynote where Apple detailed additional parental controls coming in iOS 8.
As have most of the people here.
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Originally Posted by Crowley
What would they be labelled as other than "free"? Bearing in mind that plenty of legitimate and worthy apps offer a free app with limited features and a paid upgrade to a full, feature-rich version.
I believe Apple is doing more than enough regarding this matter.
I believe that Apple's intent is great, but I am not totally sure it is enough. There is just too many ignorant people to guarantee total protection.
This is not to suggest that the EU is any less ignorant. Having perused their site, it would appear that they or the commissioner have yet to receive a formal document from Apple of their intent. Certainly, as history has shown us, getting everyone to accept or even keep open minded to what Apple presents in a keynote, or anywhere else, has limiting success; often tho, not from people that are simply ignorant, but more from those who are stupid, mean or jealous.
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Originally Posted by Evilution
The App store should have 3 columns, Paid, Free, IAP.
Every single IAP should require the password to be entered, not do it once and you are covered for 15 minutes.
Although there is a saying, "Buyer Beware," but there are a lot of folks who just want to take every cent they can get out of you. And it cost everyone of us every time these scammers get successful. No matter what side of the pond you live on
Screw the EU. Go to the App Store and it's easy to see which apps offer in-app purchases. Also not all IAP apps are worthless without additions purchases so this idea that people are being misled is BS. I guess no one at the EU followed the WWDC keynote where Apple detailed additional parental controls coming in iOS 8.
I'm so sick of manufactured outrage and using Apple because people know Apple = media attention and page views.
Of course people are being misled, particularly children.
Moreover, why hasn't Apple, up to THIS DAY, enabled a search function by which we may exclude ANY app using IAPs? I do not even want to see them in my search results and couldn't care less about how many useless IAPs one may pay for in Candy Crush Saga.
I would love to see an option to simply filter out these games from my view of the store. They just feel slimy, more like bait and switch. If enough people start filtering these out, and Apple shares the numbers, maybe developers would get the message?
At the same time I would like to see a category for software that is downloaded as trial, but includes an option to pay to unlock the full package, much like shareware did in the past. Not sure how this could work though, so that it is clear and informative.
Personal accountability. We really need this today and it seems more and more we are creating laws and policies that deminish the need for people to know what it means and or to have any.
What happened to ignorance of the law (policy, settings, true cost/function, etc) not being an excuse? If the information is readily available for someone to find and become informed on how something works it should be their own responsibility to control.
I do not want not need a Nannie state. We should not be protected from our own ignorance. How else are we to weed out inferior genetics if we continue to save them all. Or is Idiocracy truly what our future will look like.
I have to agree with this. I hate IAP games. The App store should have 3 columns, Paid, Free, IAP.
Every single IAP should require the password to be entered, not do it once and you are covered for 15 minutes.
Paid apps might have IAPs too though (EA's Need for Speed for example) and a single label doesn't seem adequate to let a buyer know what the IAPs are. A free app might simply have adverts with an IAP to remove the ads for $0.99. That's very different from an app that could have you spending hundreds of dollars on content.
Reports already use a word freemium to describe these apps. That still lets people know that it's essentially free. This word could be a link on the App Store that when clicked specifies every in-app purchase that an app allows with the prices next to them and says if they are one-off or recurring. There would have to be a similar link for paid apps.
Perhaps they could simply put the price of the most expensive IAP in brackets next to the purchase price and that could be a link that lists all IAPs. That would quickly put developers off putting a $600 IAP in their game.
We really need this today and it seems more and more we are creating laws and policies that deminish the need for people to know what it means and or to have any.
What happened to ignorance of the law (policy, settings, true cost/function, etc) not being an excuse? If the information is readily available for someone to find and become informed on how something works it should be their own responsibility to control.
I do not want not need a Nannie state. We should not be protected from our own ignorance. How else are we to weed out inferior genetics if we continue to save them all. Or is Idiocracy truly what our future will look like.
Don't want it either.
But I want a state where rogue players, feeding on the ignorance of others, to be banished from the free market.
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Totally destroys any credibility you may have had.
I guess no one at the EU followed the WWDC keynote where Apple detailed additional parental controls coming in iOS 8.
As have most of the people here.
What would they be labelled as other than "free"? Bearing in mind that plenty of legitimate and worthy apps offer a free app with limited features and a paid upgrade to a full, feature-rich version.
I can't think of a word that fits.
How about,
I believe Apple is doing more than enough regarding this matter.
I believe that Apple's intent is great, but I am not totally sure it is enough. There is just too many ignorant people to guarantee total protection.
This is not to suggest that the EU is any less ignorant. Having perused their site, it would appear that they or the commissioner have yet to receive a formal document from Apple of their intent. Certainly, as history has shown us, getting everyone to accept or even keep open minded to what Apple presents in a keynote, or anywhere else, has limiting success; often tho, not from people that are simply ignorant, but more from those who are stupid, mean or jealous.
The App store should have 3 columns, Paid, Free, IAP.
Every single IAP should require the password to be entered, not do it once and you are covered for 15 minutes.
Although there is a saying, "Buyer Beware," but there are a lot of folks who just want to take every cent they can get out of you. And it cost everyone of us every time these scammers get successful. No matter what side of the pond you live on
Great idea.
Screw the EU. Go to the App Store and it's easy to see which apps offer in-app purchases. Also not all IAP apps are worthless without additions purchases so this idea that people are being misled is BS. I guess no one at the EU followed the WWDC keynote where Apple detailed additional parental controls coming in iOS 8.
I'm so sick of manufactured outrage and using Apple because people know Apple = media attention and page views.
Of course people are being misled, particularly children.
Moreover, why hasn't Apple, up to THIS DAY, enabled a search function by which we may exclude ANY app using IAPs? I do not even want to see them in my search results and couldn't care less about how many useless IAPs one may pay for in Candy Crush Saga.
I have to agree with this. I hate IAP games. The App store should have 3 columns, Paid, Free, IAP.
Every single IAP should require the password to be entered, not do it once and you are covered for 15 minutes.
Absolutely agreed. See also my comment above.
At the same time I would like to see a category for software that is downloaded as trial, but includes an option to pay to unlock the full package, much like shareware did in the past. Not sure how this could work though, so that it is clear and informative.
We really need this today and it seems more and more we are creating laws and policies that deminish the need for people to know what it means and or to have any.
What happened to ignorance of the law (policy, settings, true cost/function, etc) not being an excuse? If the information is readily available for someone to find and become informed on how something works it should be their own responsibility to control.
I do not want not need a Nannie state. We should not be protected from our own ignorance. How else are we to weed out inferior genetics if we continue to save them all. Or is Idiocracy truly what our future will look like.
Paid apps might have IAPs too though (EA's Need for Speed for example) and a single label doesn't seem adequate to let a buyer know what the IAPs are. A free app might simply have adverts with an IAP to remove the ads for $0.99. That's very different from an app that could have you spending hundreds of dollars on content.
Reports already use a word freemium to describe these apps. That still lets people know that it's essentially free. This word could be a link on the App Store that when clicked specifies every in-app purchase that an app allows with the prices next to them and says if they are one-off or recurring. There would have to be a similar link for paid apps.
Perhaps they could simply put the price of the most expensive IAP in brackets next to the purchase price and that could be a link that lists all IAPs. That would quickly put developers off putting a $600 IAP in their game.
It"s Apple's to communicate on it.
No, not through a bulletpointed speech.
Technical data, facts, ...
Not cheering and clapping
Personal accountability.
We really need this today and it seems more and more we are creating laws and policies that deminish the need for people to know what it means and or to have any.
What happened to ignorance of the law (policy, settings, true cost/function, etc) not being an excuse? If the information is readily available for someone to find and become informed on how something works it should be their own responsibility to control.
I do not want not need a Nannie state. We should not be protected from our own ignorance. How else are we to weed out inferior genetics if we continue to save them all. Or is Idiocracy truly what our future will look like.
Don't want it either.
But I want a state where rogue players, feeding on the ignorance of others, to be banished from the free market.