Oh man, I just wanted you to see how stupid your remark was. You are not going to leave Apple nor this Web site if the guy is hired. You did not leave with the Beats purchase, which you very vocal about, you will not leave with this hire.
Please prove me wrong if the guy is hired. Please.
Threatening to quit is usually more a statement of protest, or a veiled demand for change, than a declaration of future action.
Ok so you don't know of a specific role Apple is trying to fill, you just think they need someone to better represent them to various governments. Got it. The rumor Dalrymple said "nope" to specifically said Carney's name was being "bandied about" as Apple's new PR chief. I'm not sure what Dalrymple would need to interpret. He said Tim Cook has never met Jay Carney. Not sure how he would know that other than someone from Apple telling him.
Dalrymple is of course well connected to high level Apple folks to be so accurate over the years.
He basically said 'nope' to the rumor that Carney 'was being "bandied about" as Apple's new PR chief'. Hence, not the Katie Cotton replacement.
But if Bloomberg and Re/code insist that Carney did speak with Apple, then it's not unreasonable to infer that he's talking about other roles. Based on his expertise and the current challenges we know Apple face, the government team would be a natural fit. Or they may not see eye-to-eye on certain issues, and the match-up falls through.
Carney probably doesn't even want the PR job. It probably pays pretty well but not exactly prestigious. I'm not sure why he resigned as press secretary, but perhaps he is tired of standing up in front of a mob of reporters. I'd guess it gets really boring having nothing more to say than, "No", "I don't know" and "Next question."
He is a born and raised east coaster and has worked in Washington for years. There are probably any number of positions for him in the DC area. Honestly, being the PR face of Apple sounds like a horrible job. It is not like you ever get to make any cool announcements. It is non-stop "No comment."
Carney probably doesn't even want the job. It probably pays pretty well but not exactly prestigious. I'm not sure why he resigned as press secretary, but perhaps he is tired of standing up in front of a mob of reporters. I'd guess it gets really boring having nothing more to say than, "No", "I don't know" and "Next question."
He is a born and raised east coaster and has worked in Washington for years. There are probably any number of positions for him in the DC area. Honestly, being the PR face of Apple sounds like a horrible job. It is not like you ever get to make any cool announcements. It is non-stop "No comment."
[chuckle]
Possible ! May be he will scout for a writer to help write a book first.
The PR Chief job with Apple sounds very hands on and intense.
You mean apple can't find anything better?? My issue We have NSA looking over our shoulder govt spying on its citizens Why have another path for political elitist a to manipulate our data I don't like google for its search which most use so close to govt leaders We were warned about the Military industrial complex We now have the tech snoops Keep him and his likes AWAY from our data It's too enticing for govt to use to control and intimidate its people It could and will happen if we don't fight back
Threatening to quit is usually more a statement of protest, or a veiled demand for change, than a declaration of future action.
Yes, a threat from Rogifan has much veiled gravitas. His comment must be taken seriously, no matter how childish it may seem on the surface.
As we know, he is on the right side of history. Apple, with its concern for environmental responsibility, its concern for its users' privacy, all these are trivial liberal distractions that a mature American corporation will grow out of eventually, thus proving him right in the end.
Ah, the far right wing crawling out of the woodworks again.... Sigh....
You guys are relentless.
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That's not the point. A PR chief is supposed to help Apple win over customers, not drive them away. If there is someone else out there that will do the job without all the political controversy, I bet Apple will go after that person instead.
Some nobody friend of Carney talking to the news as if all Carney has to do to get the job is ask for it sounds more like Carney trying to stir up interest or save face than reality to me.
a PR chief for a corporation is NOT supposed to help Apple win over customers. that's MARKETING. If anything, the PR chief is supposed to make sure they don't LOSE customers based on how corporate actions are perceived.
a PR chief's main (not supposed) job is to maximize the positive spin on the corporation's message to the press and stockholders.
Before she resigned, did you even know who Katie Cotton was and what she did for Apple. Other than 'Fake Steve Jobs,' where whatsitname mentioned Katie in a manner that Apple's retribution to leaks and/or negative reporting fell under her team of black bag operatives to 'fix' press problems ('he swims with the fishes....' sort of activity), The 'face of Apple PR' is pretty much vacant. The choice (or not) of Carney is based on his ability to read how messages can play before they are played. But in the end, he is the messenger, not a politician.
We have NSA looking over our shoulder govt spying on its citizens
Why have another path for political elitist a to manipulate our data
I don't like google for its search which most use so close to govt leaders
We were warned about the
Military industrial complex
We now have the tech snoops
Keep him and his likes AWAY from our data
It's too enticing for govt to use to control and intimidate its people
It could and will happen if we don't fight back
And Carney isn't working for them anymore. To me that says he's looking to get away from trying to find a sweet smelling message to describe the manure of 'how government works.'
You've lumped a lot of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush the 1st, 50's Defense Appropriations, into a role that neither the clearance or the pay grade to even gain access to 'our data. Yet you haven't pointed out one thing that Carney has done or the power to do. Bravo. Great straw man argument.
Threatening to quit is usually more a statement of protest, or a veiled demand for change, than a declaration of future action.
The statement of protest is pointless. We have no idea what Apple is executing to strengthen its resources for the future. Instead of fighting EVERYTHING Apple does, how about trying to decipher what and why Apple is doing what it is doing.
Already, Samsung has produced "me too" headphones to compete with Apple Beats headphones. All Samsung knows is Apple is now in the headphones business and Samsung has to be there too. We all know headphones is not the endgame for Apple.
The PR hire has something Apple wants. What other skills does the guy have? What did he study in college? Remember, there is a musician working at Apple studying the sound of blood flow in an attempt to predict heart attacks. The musician probably never thought of using his skills for this. None of us would have considered this either.
This is why I challenged Rogifan to adhere to his threat.
Why would a PR appointment have any impact on your technology choices?
Because I won't give money to a company that would hire a liar and political hack like Carney. If Target hired him I'd stop shopping there. I'm not a fan of Amazon or Jeff Bezos (for various reasons) so I don't shop on Amazon.com, don't have a prime membership and don't use any of their apps.
What's so surprising or upsetting about this (rhetorical, btw)? Have we all already forgotten that every major tech company is already in bed with the US government, including Apple? It seems like every couple of weeks everyone here forgets that Apple is a part of the PRISM project as well. Funny how no one forgets that the other major tech companies are a part of it though. They all record your activities and they all share them with the NSA. This is not speculation anymore, this is fact and has been known for quite awhile now. If you're uncomfortable with this then you shouldn't own a smartphone or tablet. It would make sense that Apple (or any tech company for that matter) would start to hire guys in Washington as they already work very closely together.
Carney probably doesn't even want the PR job. It probably pays pretty well but not exactly prestigious. I'm not sure why he resigned as press secretary, but perhaps he is tired of standing up in front of a mob of reporters. I'd guess it gets really boring having nothing more to say than, "No", "I don't know" and "Next question."
He is a born and raised east coaster and has worked in Washington for years. There are probably any number of positions for him in the DC area. Honestly, being the PR face of Apple sounds like a horrible job. It is not like you ever get to make any cool announcements. It is non-stop "No comment."
That's true, for Apple the title is totally wrong isn't it? In Apple's case, the 'PR' position is really more like Chief Cleaner or Sanitizer... terms I picked up watching Spy TV shows ...
Why would a PR appointment have any impact on your technology choices?
Well, let's see. He helped cover up Benghazi, lied about it, got caught and resigned over it. So it appears that he sucks at his job and he's potentially a criminal.
Well, let's see. He helped cover up Benghazi, lied about it, got caught and resigned over it. So it appears that he sucks at his job and he's potentially a criminal.
And what does that have to do with buying an iPhone or MacBook Pro? Honestly, you'll never really see his work at Apple anyways. How many times did you hear about Katie Cotton before news of her retirement?
Because I won't give money to a company that would hire a liar and political hack like Carney. If Target hired him I'd stop shopping there. I'm not a fan of Amazon or Jeff Bezos (for various reasons) so I don't shop on Amazon.com, don't have a prime membership and don't use any of their apps.
So in other words, you don't really shop anywhere because it sounds like you have a complaint about everyone in the world? But...I have a feeling you're stretching the truth a little there.
Why is that unreasonable if someone is casing they will stop buying the products of a company. If I stopped buying Ans subsequently stopped using Apple's products as a result I would also stop reading and posting to this site.
Why not say that to the person clearly posting a ridiculous statement?
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Oh man, I just wanted you to see how stupid your remark was. You are not going to leave Apple nor this Web site if the guy is hired. You did not leave with the Beats purchase, which you very vocal about, you will not leave with this hire.
Please prove me wrong if the guy is hired. Please.
Threatening to quit is usually more a statement of protest, or a veiled demand for change, than a declaration of future action.
Ok so you don't know of a specific role Apple is trying to fill, you just think they need someone to better represent them to various governments. Got it. The rumor Dalrymple said "nope" to specifically said Carney's name was being "bandied about" as Apple's new PR chief. I'm not sure what Dalrymple would need to interpret. He said Tim Cook has never met Jay Carney. Not sure how he would know that other than someone from Apple telling him.
Dalrymple is of course well connected to high level Apple folks to be so accurate over the years.
He basically said 'nope' to the rumor that Carney 'was being "bandied about" as Apple's new PR chief'. Hence, not the Katie Cotton replacement.
But if Bloomberg and Re/code insist that Carney did speak with Apple, then it's not unreasonable to infer that he's talking about other roles. Based on his expertise and the current challenges we know Apple face, the government team would be a natural fit. Or they may not see eye-to-eye on certain issues, and the match-up falls through.
Carney probably doesn't even want the PR job. It probably pays pretty well but not exactly prestigious. I'm not sure why he resigned as press secretary, but perhaps he is tired of standing up in front of a mob of reporters. I'd guess it gets really boring having nothing more to say than, "No", "I don't know" and "Next question."
He is a born and raised east coaster and has worked in Washington for years. There are probably any number of positions for him in the DC area. Honestly, being the PR face of Apple sounds like a horrible job. It is not like you ever get to make any cool announcements. It is non-stop "No comment."
Carney probably doesn't even want the job. It probably pays pretty well but not exactly prestigious. I'm not sure why he resigned as press secretary, but perhaps he is tired of standing up in front of a mob of reporters. I'd guess it gets really boring having nothing more to say than, "No", "I don't know" and "Next question."
He is a born and raised east coaster and has worked in Washington for years. There are probably any number of positions for him in the DC area. Honestly, being the PR face of Apple sounds like a horrible job. It is not like you ever get to make any cool announcements. It is non-stop "No comment."
[chuckle]
Possible ! May be he will scout for a writer to help write a book first.
The PR Chief job with Apple sounds very hands on and intense.
My issue
We have NSA looking over our shoulder govt spying on its citizens
Why have another path for political elitist a to manipulate our data
I don't like google for its search which most use so close to govt leaders
We were warned about the
Military industrial complex
We now have the tech snoops
Keep him and his likes AWAY from our data
It's too enticing for govt to use to control and intimidate its people
It could and will happen if we don't fight back
You mean apple can't find anything better??
My issue
We have NSA looking over our shoulder govt spying on its citizens
Why have another path for political elitist a to manipulate our data
I don't like google for its search which most use so close to govt leaders
We were warned about the
Military industrial complex
We now have the tech snoops
Keep him and his likes AWAY from our data
It's too enticing for govt to use to control and intimidate its people
It could and will happen if we don't fight back
Apple already have the belief, people and platform to fight those things.
All they need now is to work with the various governments to understand their platform(s).
Yes, a threat from Rogifan has much veiled gravitas. His comment must be taken seriously, no matter how childish it may seem on the surface.
As we know, he is on the right side of history. Apple, with its concern for environmental responsibility, its concern for its users' privacy, all these are trivial liberal distractions that a mature American corporation will grow out of eventually, thus proving him right in the end.
/s
Ah, the far right wing crawling out of the woodworks again.... Sigh....
You guys are relentless.
That's not the point. A PR chief is supposed to help Apple win over customers, not drive them away. If there is someone else out there that will do the job without all the political controversy, I bet Apple will go after that person instead.
Some nobody friend of Carney talking to the news as if all Carney has to do to get the job is ask for it sounds more like Carney trying to stir up interest or save face than reality to me.
a PR chief for a corporation is NOT supposed to help Apple win over customers. that's MARKETING. If anything, the PR chief is supposed to make sure they don't LOSE customers based on how corporate actions are perceived.
a PR chief's main (not supposed) job is to maximize the positive spin on the corporation's message to the press and stockholders.
Before she resigned, did you even know who Katie Cotton was and what she did for Apple. Other than 'Fake Steve Jobs,' where whatsitname mentioned Katie in a manner that Apple's retribution to leaks and/or negative reporting fell under her team of black bag operatives to 'fix' press problems ('he swims with the fishes....' sort of activity), The 'face of Apple PR' is pretty much vacant. The choice (or not) of Carney is based on his ability to read how messages can play before they are played. But in the end, he is the messenger, not a politician.
You mean apple can't find anything better??
My issue
We have NSA looking over our shoulder govt spying on its citizens
Why have another path for political elitist a to manipulate our data
I don't like google for its search which most use so close to govt leaders
We were warned about the
Military industrial complex
We now have the tech snoops
Keep him and his likes AWAY from our data
It's too enticing for govt to use to control and intimidate its people
It could and will happen if we don't fight back
And Carney isn't working for them anymore. To me that says he's looking to get away from trying to find a sweet smelling message to describe the manure of 'how government works.'
You've lumped a lot of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush the 1st, 50's Defense Appropriations, into a role that neither the clearance or the pay grade to even gain access to 'our data. Yet you haven't pointed out one thing that Carney has done or the power to do. Bravo. Great straw man argument.
The statement of protest is pointless. We have no idea what Apple is executing to strengthen its resources for the future. Instead of fighting EVERYTHING Apple does, how about trying to decipher what and why Apple is doing what it is doing.
Already, Samsung has produced "me too" headphones to compete with Apple Beats headphones. All Samsung knows is Apple is now in the headphones business and Samsung has to be there too. We all know headphones is not the endgame for Apple.
The PR hire has something Apple wants. What other skills does the guy have? What did he study in college? Remember, there is a musician working at Apple studying the sound of blood flow in an attempt to predict heart attacks. The musician probably never thought of using his skills for this. None of us would have considered this either.
This is why I challenged Rogifan to adhere to his threat.
If Tim Cook hires him then he loses me as a customer.
Why would a PR appointment have any impact on your technology choices?
Why would a PR appointment have any impact on your technology choices?
Because I won't give money to a company that would hire a liar and political hack like Carney. If Target hired him I'd stop shopping there. I'm not a fan of Amazon or Jeff Bezos (for various reasons) so I don't shop on Amazon.com, don't have a prime membership and don't use any of their apps.
What's so surprising or upsetting about this (rhetorical, btw)? Have we all already forgotten that every major tech company is already in bed with the US government, including Apple? It seems like every couple of weeks everyone here forgets that Apple is a part of the PRISM project as well. Funny how no one forgets that the other major tech companies are a part of it though. They all record your activities and they all share them with the NSA. This is not speculation anymore, this is fact and has been known for quite awhile now. If you're uncomfortable with this then you shouldn't own a smartphone or tablet. It would make sense that Apple (or any tech company for that matter) would start to hire guys in Washington as they already work very closely together.
That's true, for Apple the title is totally wrong isn't it? In Apple's case, the 'PR' position is really more like Chief Cleaner or Sanitizer... terms I picked up watching Spy TV shows ...
Does this mean you will discontinue expressing your opinion on this Web site as well?
You will not be missed as a contributor nor as an Apple customer.
I doubt you will follow through though..
Oh, shut up.
Why would a PR appointment have any impact on your technology choices?
Well, let's see. He helped cover up Benghazi, lied about it, got caught and resigned over it. So it appears that he sucks at his job and he's potentially a criminal.
Well, let's see. He helped cover up Benghazi, lied about it, got caught and resigned over it. So it appears that he sucks at his job and he's potentially a criminal.
And what does that have to do with buying an iPhone or MacBook Pro? Honestly, you'll never really see his work at Apple anyways. How many times did you hear about Katie Cotton before news of her retirement?
Because I won't give money to a company that would hire a liar and political hack like Carney. If Target hired him I'd stop shopping there. I'm not a fan of Amazon or Jeff Bezos (for various reasons) so I don't shop on Amazon.com, don't have a prime membership and don't use any of their apps.
So in other words, you don't really shop anywhere because it sounds like you have a complaint about everyone in the world? But...I have a feeling you're stretching the truth a little there.
Why is that unreasonable if someone is casing they will stop buying the products of a company. If I stopped buying Ans subsequently stopped using Apple's products as a result I would also stop reading and posting to this site.
Why not say that to the person clearly posting a ridiculous statement?
He has baggage associated with him.