The 3 was axed already;-) It didn't live past the 4 (lightning). My guess is the 3 will be 'unsupported' at the same time the 2 is.
iPad sales will 're-ramp' when
1) TouchID is embedded (turn off to lock, press to unlock... a key requirement for corporate types)
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">2) a 12" or larger is shipped to meet corp/professional customer needs (those 14-15" laptops)</span>
3) in about 3 years, when all these schools/colleges/students matriculate their devices into next equipment.
4) the next big network speed bump comes into play (LTE2, AC becomes common place)
5) Continuity between mac and phone and pad become ubiquitous... Where my 'state' is iclouded to all iDevices automagically. (Why carry that laptop... everything I need is already on my iPad?)
6) home automation has its 'aha' moment (I'm seeing it now... I'm redoing my security system, and instead of 5 security panels, I'm putting in one master, and it's an iOS app everywhere else... my wife... she'll want an iPad dedicated to the task.
at that point, people will have one iPad apiece, vs the 1 iPad per home.
I do think the life span of a tablet will be 5 years, given the no moving parts construction compared to a laptop (typically a 3(pc)-5(macbook) year lifespan), and the generally be treated much more nicely than a phone.
I also think that when you spend $500+ on something, you milk it a bit longer than a $199 device. And coupled with the 'I don't want to learn another OS' people wedged into Window XP/7/8, it will take MS Surface's abject failure before they give up their Dell laptops.
Do you really think that 12" ARM tablet can replace 15" laptop? I'm not trying to provoke, it's honest question. I'd like to hear your reasoning.
I know that ARM tablets are getting more and more powerful... but it is not like laptops are standing still, or their usage scenarios.
Most of our corporate customers are using laptops nowadays on docking stations, with 2 screens attached. Laptop's native screen is used only when away from the office desk. And then, as requirement for increased efficiency ever grows, our users are running more and more applications at once. We were testing Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet 2 for our sales, and even with full multitasking and docking station, memory (and to some degree performance) limitations were just in a way as soon as things would become a bit more frantic. Couple of Office apps, ConnectWise, ITQuoter, one browser at least... frequent access to PDFs... all requirements for sales person... would quickly render TPTablet's 2GB of RAM a bottleneck, even with Flash storage. Granted, our customers don't run things like ITQuoter, but many of them run some sort of specific software on top of usual Office stuff.
The only tablet that worked so far satisfactorily in our environment was Surface Pro class device, but we all know that it is laptop in disguise, not a proper tablet-tablet.
Its pretty clear why the sales decline is happening, since more than half of buyers are new to the iPad. People don't upgrade iPads much - the old ones are fine.
I have an iPad 2, and see no reason to get a newer one.
Indeed. I have a MacBook Air which I use daily but my wife convinced me we should shell out for an iPad Mini when they were on sale (well, it didn't take very much convincing, honestly). Now we use it just as much as the MacBook, just for different things. The thing is, as we are all Apple fans here, we have come to enjoy their quality products for much longer than the industry average. However, they always seem to find ways to entice us to upgrade...
Yeah, no, try again. I guess you sure showed me regarding the 2.5” iPhone, Apple HDTV, and headless tower Mac!
Why? Laptops are dead. Apple won’t be selling them much longer. A workhorse tablet is the inevitable future.
If what you say is true, then what are the all the users that need to run VM's, do development work, run Photoshop, etc., going to do? They'll still need Intel-based Macs to run those workhorse-type software. Are they going to stop buying Macbooks because Apple won't be selling them much longer?
These workhorse tablets might be great for a certain segment (ie: students and mobile office workers) but not all segments.
If what you say is true, then what are the all the users that need to run Vim's, do development work, run Photo shop, etc., going to do? They'll still need Intel-based Macs to run those workhorse-type software. Are they going to stop buying Mac books because Apple won't be selling them much longer?
These workhorse tablets might be great for a certain segment (IE: students and mobile office workers) but not all segments.
Maybe Apple will finally release an OSX based tablet. gosh knows I have been waiting for one forever now. Until then though I have a Surface Pro 3 for things like Photoshop and Abelton Live, MacBook Air for development, iPad for the many great music apps and a Nokia 2520 for Office, eMail and general surfing. Yes, I could just use either the Surface Pro 3 or MacBook Air for everything but why would I want too, more toys, more toys!
Maybe a work horse tablet isn't the future. I mean iPad crashes a lot even doing the small stuff let alone under the full weight of a full app. If I want a "work horse" machine, I'll get a mac. An iPad with a keyboard costs the same as an MacBook Air and maybe its even more expensive. Most people don't actually need a work horse machine. For most people work horse means they can type on a keyboard. You can do that now. Sure you can't do photoshop but then you get a more powerful machine for that. I don't think the tablet and the mac/pc should be combined. I like the surface as a laptop but as a tablet it just plain sucks...and yes I own one.
iPad sales frankly have just exploded to fast the first 3 years. That type of growth was unsustainable.
All growth is “unsustainable” to the point of making such comments worthless.
The iPhone was given time to grow and allowed the technology to catch up to demand. The massive intial demand for the iPad has not give technology time to catch up. Once the technology has a chance to catch up...
To what? What are you trying to make this mean in this context?
People were saying the same thing about the laptop when it first came out.
Too slow, too weak, too expensive. I can do much more on a desktop. It takes time for the tech to catch up. Wait for a year or two and the iPad will be able to run 90% of the software that laptops can.
good point. Maybe it will be useful in the future. Options are nice.
Its more efficient to have one OS for all of your life. However, I haven't seen anyone make it work. The MSFT version is one piece of hardware with two OSes shoe horned onto it and a kickstand. It makes sense to me as a laptop. As a tablet I never use it. In fact I keep it in a drawer while my iPad is a natural extension of my hand.
I wish they would fix the yellow screen issue on the air. I returned mine so many times the last one is still in the sealed box. Why upgrade to a shit screen?
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">Its pretty clear why the sales decline is happening, since more than half of buyers are new to the iPad. People don't upgrade iPads much - the old ones are fine.</span>
I have an iPad 2, and see no reason to get a newer one.
I have a first gen. Don’t plan to upgrade until the 13/15” is released.
I have a 2. If Apple bring out a new one this year, I’ll get it if I'm still alive, regardless.
Maybe a work horse tablet isn't the future. I mean iPad crashes a lot even doing the small stuff let alone under the full weight of a full app. If I want a "work horse" machine, I'll get a mac. An iPad with a keyboard costs the same as an MacBook Air and maybe its even more expensive. Most people don't actually need a work horse machine. For most people work horse means they can type on a keyboard. You can do that now. Sure you can't do photoshop but then you get a more powerful machine for that. I don't think the tablet and the mac/pc should be combined. I like the surface as a laptop but as a tablet it just plain sucks...and yes I own one.
Try and reserve your low standard of trolling for MacRumours; we'd all be much obliged.
I wish they would fix the imaginary yellow screen issue on the air. I returned mine so many times, I realised I made a complete fool of myself. Why choose anything but an iPad?
Try and reserve your low standard of trolling for MacRumours; we'd all be much obliged.
Please try and come up with a proper counter argument. Reserve your low level trolling for PCWorld. You can keep your snobbery in the UK. It doesnt make you sound smart outside of your small world. Saying a device and software should work together is not a troll. The proper software for the proper hardware makes for great UX.
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Do you really think that 12" ARM tablet can replace 15" laptop? I'm not trying to provoke, it's honest question. I'd like to hear your reasoning.
I know that ARM tablets are getting more and more powerful... but it is not like laptops are standing still, or their usage scenarios.
Most of our corporate customers are using laptops nowadays on docking stations, with 2 screens attached. Laptop's native screen is used only when away from the office desk. And then, as requirement for increased efficiency ever grows, our users are running more and more applications at once. We were testing Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet 2 for our sales, and even with full multitasking and docking station, memory (and to some degree performance) limitations were just in a way as soon as things would become a bit more frantic. Couple of Office apps, ConnectWise, ITQuoter, one browser at least... frequent access to PDFs... all requirements for sales person... would quickly render TPTablet's 2GB of RAM a bottleneck, even with Flash storage. Granted, our customers don't run things like ITQuoter, but many of them run some sort of specific software on top of usual Office stuff.
The only tablet that worked so far satisfactorily in our environment was Surface Pro class device, but we all know that it is laptop in disguise, not a proper tablet-tablet.
Basically, Apple was waiting until iPad sales stalled to do a real iPad upgrade
I have a first gen. Don’t plan to upgrade until the 13/15” is released.
Hope you're patient. You'll be waiting a long time, if not forever for an iPad that size.
This is just like the Beats deal.
Its happening, deal with it.
Yeah, no, try again. I guess you sure showed me regarding the 2.5” iPhone, Apple HDTV, and headless tower Mac!
Why? Laptops are dead. Apple won’t be selling them much longer. A workhorse tablet is the inevitable future.
Yeah, no, try again. I guess you sure showed me regarding the 2.5” iPhone, Apple HDTV, and headless tower Mac!
Why? Laptops are dead. Apple won’t be selling them much longer. A workhorse tablet is the inevitable future.
If what you say is true, then what are the all the users that need to run VM's, do development work, run Photoshop, etc., going to do? They'll still need Intel-based Macs to run those workhorse-type software. Are they going to stop buying Macbooks because Apple won't be selling them much longer?
These workhorse tablets might be great for a certain segment (ie: students and mobile office workers) but not all segments.
Run them on tablets or the multitouch desktop to compliment it. Why is this difficult to comprehend?
1. Who said anything about not using Intel?
2. Why is Intel needed?
I can’t imagine someone being able to buy something not being sold, but hey.
If what you say is true, then what are the all the users that need to run Vim's, do development work, run Photo shop, etc., going to do? They'll still need Intel-based Macs to run those workhorse-type software. Are they going to stop buying Mac books because Apple won't be selling them much longer?
These workhorse tablets might be great for a certain segment (IE: students and mobile office workers) but not all segments.
Maybe Apple will finally release an OSX based tablet. gosh knows I have been waiting for one forever now. Until then though I have a Surface Pro 3 for things like Photoshop and Abelton Live, MacBook Air for development, iPad for the many great music apps and a Nokia 2520 for Office, eMail and general surfing. Yes, I could just use either the Surface Pro 3 or MacBook Air for everything but why would I want too, more toys, more toys!
Maybe a work horse tablet isn't the future. I mean iPad crashes a lot even doing the small stuff let alone under the full weight of a full app. If I want a "work horse" machine, I'll get a mac. An iPad with a keyboard costs the same as an MacBook Air and maybe its even more expensive. Most people don't actually need a work horse machine. For most people work horse means they can type on a keyboard. You can do that now. Sure you can't do photoshop but then you get a more powerful machine for that. I don't think the tablet and the mac/pc should be combined. I like the surface as a laptop but as a tablet it just plain sucks...and yes I own one.
I'm so sorry....
Why, it's a neat device.
iPad sales frankly have just exploded to fast the first 3 years. That type of growth was unsustainable.
All growth is “unsustainable” to the point of making such comments worthless.
To what? What are you trying to make this mean in this context?
Oh, sure; absolutely.
More ‘desire’, then, but I see what you’re saying.
Well, no, but...
Its more efficient to have one OS for all of your life. However, I haven't seen anyone make it work. The MSFT version is one piece of hardware with two OSes shoe horned onto it and a kickstand. It makes sense to me as a laptop. As a tablet I never use it. In fact I keep it in a drawer while my iPad is a natural extension of my hand.
I have a 2. If Apple bring out a new one this year, I’ll get it if I'm still alive, regardless.
That would be totally idiotic.
Try and reserve your low standard of trolling for MacRumours; we'd all be much obliged.
You said it yourself.
Please try and come up with a proper counter argument. Reserve your low level trolling for PCWorld. You can keep your snobbery in the UK. It doesnt make you sound smart outside of your small world. Saying a device and software should work together is not a troll. The proper software for the proper hardware makes for great UX.
So never, then.