If, as recently happened, a US judge can demand that Microsoft turn over the data in its servers in Ireland, and that judgment holds, it won't be long before China can ask for, and be granted access to, (Chinese) data from US servers.
Two completely different circumstances. Your China suggestion is never gonna happen.
(EDIT) I misunderstood the intent of your post also. I added a word to make it more clear. Still may not happen, though.
Moreover, you brought up HK as though that was a big deal. It amounts to a b-s hill of beans.
BS?? Hardly. :rolleyes:
Don't you remember Google redirecting search requests in China to uncensored Hong Kong servers a few years back? Microsoft and Amazon both do the same to stay outside Chinese control as HongKong is NOT within the China Firewall and has it's own distinct laws and judiiciary. I understand your need to minimize the additional privacy and legal protections afforded by locating in HK rather than "mainland China" but claiming they are one and the same as far as Chinese control is not being very helpful or honest.
"Unlike in mainland China, websites are not censored by the Chinese government’s Golden Shield, referred to by critics as the Great Firewall of China, or #gfw. Twitter and Facebook are freely accessible in Hong Kong, without the need for proxy servers as they are in mainland China.
In mainland China, the only three mobile operators are China Mobile, China Unicom and China Telecom. They all report directly to China’s State Council, China’s cabinet, and win their approval for major business decisions. This applies even to the introduction of new mobile services, making them political, not business decisions. In contrast, Hong Kong mobile operators are unregulated about when they can introduce new services for consumers. While mainland Chinese operators are held back waiting for political decisions, Hong Kong operators just charge ahead in the competition for consumers.
Because there is no Internet censorship, the services which are popular in the west are also popular in Hong Kong, such as Yahoo!, Facebook, Twitter and Google. Out of deference to Beijing, this is not widely publicized, though it is well-known among Hong Kong locals and industry insiders.
For western companies in China, doing business is very hard. Most recently, Google shut down its Chinese search engine and redirected all China search traffic to… Hong Kong. Earlier casualties included Yahoo! and eBay. Again, deference to Beijing keeps Hong Kong investment officials from talking too loudly about this issue." http://www.forbes.com/sites/china/2010/05/11/why-hong-kong-is-chinas-new-tech-hub/
They could do what they initially did in North Carolina. Buy clean energy from a different source and sell it to the power company. Even if the energy used in the data center is dirty, they have a net lower carbon footprint.
Perhaps that explains your lack of mental capacity. If I was your brother, I probably would have repeatedly smashed the side of your head with a cricket bat years ago. Is that what happened?
They could even use the hot air emanating from your mouth; problem is, they probably wouldn't regard it as clean energy.
Moreover, you brought up HK as though that was a big deal. It amounts to a b-s hill of beans.
BS?? Hardly. :rolleyes:
Don't you remember Google redirecting search requests in China to uncensored Hong Kong servers a few years back? Microsoft and Amazon both do the same to stay outside Chinese control as HongKong is NOT within the China Firewall and has it's own distinct laws and judiiciary. I understand your need to minimize the additional privacy and legal protections afforded by locating in HK rather than "mainland China" but claiming they are one and the same as far as Chinese control is not being very helpful or honest.
"Unlike in mainland China, websites are not censored by the Chinese government’s Golden Shield, referred to by critics as the Great Firewall of China, or #gfw. Twitter and Facebook are freely accessible in Hong Kong, without the need for proxy servers as they are in mainland China.
If/when the chips are down, China can and will assert complete control over HK. To assume or think anything else is simply naive.
If/when is not today. Maybe things will change in Hong Kong in the future and maybe they won't. What is 100% certain is that internet and cloud users today do not have the same expectation of privacy for data stored on Chinese mainland servers compared to Hong Kong based. Agreed?
While others have chosen to avoid Chinese controls as much as possible while still doing business in the region Apple chose to deal directly with a Chinese government controlled telecom for storage of Chinese users data, information and media. Doesn't seem like something you would expect from Apple and opens them to questions about their motivation. If nothing else I would think you'd see it as unusual. Not saying anything is out of sorts because no one knows but we do know how appearances play. Had this been MS or Samsung or Google or Amazon I personally think you'd be less accepting of similar company statements explaining it away.
I think this is about China's distrust of NSA -- it wants to be able to block spying by the NSA on the nation's leaders (both political and corporate/financial) without forcing them to do without iPhones.
or providing a nexus so they can 'subpoena' the information they desire.
This is less about the NSA, and more about China wanting to keep it's dissident's messages/notes, etc within their borders.
There's good threads to comment on rather than trying to get a emotional reaction from others, the very definition of trolling. For instance what do you think of Apple's move of iCloud data to Chinese controlled servers. So far the only thing you've contributed to the thread is thinly-veiled insults to both MStone and Crowley.
Unsurprisingly Chinese Apple users, in concert with the recent roll-out of the new iPhone models there, are reportedly being targeted by the Chinese government in a classic man-in-the-middle ploy to access sign-in credentials.
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Oh right, fair enough, I misread the intent of your post. Apologies.
If, as recently happened, a US judge can demand that Microsoft turn over the data in its servers in Ireland, and that judgment holds, it won't be long before China can ask for, and be granted access to, (Chinese) data from US servers.
Two completely different circumstances. Your China suggestion is never gonna happen.
(EDIT) I misunderstood the intent of your post also. I added a word to make it more clear. Still may not happen, though.
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Don't you remember Google redirecting search requests in China to uncensored Hong Kong servers a few years back? Microsoft and Amazon both do the same to stay outside Chinese control as HongKong is NOT within the China Firewall and has it's own distinct laws and judiiciary. I understand your need to minimize the additional privacy and legal protections afforded by locating in HK rather than "mainland China" but claiming they are one and the same as far as Chinese control is not being very helpful or honest.
"Unlike in mainland China, websites are not censored by the Chinese government’s Golden Shield, referred to by critics as the Great Firewall of China, or #gfw. Twitter and Facebook are freely accessible in Hong Kong, without the need for proxy servers as they are in mainland China.
In mainland China, the only three mobile operators are China Mobile, China Unicom and China Telecom. They all report directly to China’s State Council, China’s cabinet, and win their approval for major business decisions. This applies even to the introduction of new mobile services, making them political, not business decisions. In contrast, Hong Kong mobile operators are unregulated about when they can introduce new services for consumers. While mainland Chinese operators are held back waiting for political decisions, Hong Kong operators just charge ahead in the competition for consumers.
Because there is no Internet censorship, the services which are popular in the west are also popular in Hong Kong, such as Yahoo!, Facebook, Twitter and Google. Out of deference to Beijing, this is not widely publicized, though it is well-known among Hong Kong locals and industry insiders.
For western companies in China, doing business is very hard. Most recently, Google shut down its Chinese search engine and redirected all China search traffic to… Hong Kong. Earlier casualties included Yahoo! and eBay. Again, deference to Beijing keeps Hong Kong investment officials from talking too loudly about this issue."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/china/2010/05/11/why-hong-kong-is-chinas-new-tech-hub/
They could do what they initially did in North Carolina. Buy clean energy from a different source and sell it to the power company. Even if the energy used in the data center is dirty, they have a net lower carbon footprint.
Perhaps that explains your lack of mental capacity. If I was your brother, I probably would have repeatedly smashed the side of your head with a cricket bat years ago. Is that what happened?
They could even use the hot air emanating from your mouth; problem is, they probably wouldn't regard it as clean energy.
Oh right, fair enough, I misread the intent of your post. Apologies.
You've learnt to apologise? Well done!
You really should keep up with the news. HK gets the freedoms that China allows it to have. If it doesn't rock the boat. http://online.wsj.com/articles/china-reminds-hong-kong-of-its-control-1402411342
If you'd like the full text of the 'White Paper' (you can get the gist of it pretty quickly) it's here, as an English translation from the South China Morning Post: http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1529167/full-text-practice-one-country-two-systems-policy-hong-kong-special
If/when the chips are down, China can and will assert complete control over HK. To assume or think anything else is simply naive.
If/when is not today. Maybe things will change in Hong Kong in the future and maybe they won't. What is 100% certain is that internet and cloud users today do not have the same expectation of privacy for data stored on Chinese mainland servers compared to Hong Kong based. Agreed?
While others have chosen to avoid Chinese controls as much as possible while still doing business in the region Apple chose to deal directly with a Chinese government controlled telecom for storage of Chinese users data, information and media. Doesn't seem like something you would expect from Apple and opens them to questions about their motivation. If nothing else I would think you'd see it as unusual. Not saying anything is out of sorts because no one knows but we do know how appearances play. Had this been MS or Samsung or Google or Amazon I personally think you'd be less accepting of similar company statements explaining it away.
I think this is about China's distrust of NSA -- it wants to be able to block spying by the NSA on the nation's leaders (both political and corporate/financial) without forcing them to do without iPhones.
or providing a nexus so they can 'subpoena' the information they desire.
This is less about the NSA, and more about China wanting to keep it's dissident's messages/notes, etc within their borders.
You've learnt to apologise? Well done!
I always admit it when I find that I am at fault, and I'll apologise when I think it's required. When have I ever failed to do that before?
A specific example please, not a TS style "oh all the time, too many for me to possibly identify one"
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thanks for the first joke of the day.
There's good threads to comment on rather than trying to get a emotional reaction from others, the very definition of trolling. For instance what do you think of Apple's move of iCloud data to Chinese controlled servers. So far the only thing you've contributed to the thread is thinly-veiled insults to both MStone and Crowley.
You haven’t. He’s right, Ben.
Abide & prosper
https://en.greatfire.org/blog/2014/oct/china-collecting-apple-icloud-data-attack-coincides-launch-new-iphone#9to5mac