from my understanding, apple would never have to pay a licence fee to use lquidmetal, and liquidmetal cannot licence IP from crucible relating to "consumer devices"
but that does not stop a competitor form buying liquidmetal and compete directly with apple in consumer devices.
crucible IP is 100% owned by liquidmetal with apple having the right to use those IP as does the new owner of those IP rights.
the right to use, not the right to licence, won't bother samsung or microsoft.
liquidmetal is like plastic but its metal.
but apples gold watches will cost much less than those hand made custom watches, apple is all about volume to the masses and injected gold watches are cheaper to make.
yes is platinum would be a unique addition the the edition series watches,
first 18kt gold alloy, next a 18kt platinum alloy, true to the original liquidmetal recipe,
that would be the applewatch i buy
Liquidmetal reminds me of Reardon Metal.
According to Andy Ihnatko, the high-end line are very heavy watches.
so the "custom cold forged alloys" from apple are what exactly?
Marketing guff about them using perfectly ordinary and commonly available alloys of aluminium, steel and gold. Do you really think Apple needs to reinvent the wheel when it comes to the materials watches are made from? Custom just means you asked for something to be done for you and someone then did it.
Do you really think the Aerospace industry had to wait for Apple to make a watch before they had access to decent Aluminium based alloys. Rolex, Omega, TAG, Longines, Breitling, etc, etc, etc, must be jumping up and down with joy now that Apple have arrived on the market with their miraculous stainless steel that never before existed. How the worlds nuclear power industries ever existed before Apple came along is just one of those mysteries.
Hardened gold - another Apple first.
Looking at Liquidmetal's financials, it looks like Swatch has exclusive rights to use Liquidmetal in watches, just like Apple's agreement for exclusive rights in electronic devices.
Clearly Apple is going to have to purchase Swatch...only worth around $16.2 billion.
Transparent aluminium here we come.
melgross wrote: »
It doesn't matter. These contracts are obviously out there, and that's all that does matter. And Apple is obviously aware of it.
roake wrote: »
Liquidmetal Sapphire iPhone 6S (the "S" is for Sapphire)
liquidmetal production is not science fiction, it is available now
? Metal injection moulding ENGEL Liquidmetal®
regarding short production runs,
liquidmetal can be injection moulded in 2.5 minutes .... repeatedly .... continuously .... accurately ...
thats a new outer-cover every 2.5 minutes, injection moulded made with metal,
take much longer to cnc mill an outer-cover.
Liquid Metal is expensive, dense and heavy.
I think Apple got into LM because they thought it would solve a problematic issue at the time - possibly laptop hinges - then found a cheaper better solution that didn't require it. Apple is very forward thinking but I really doubt their interest in LM was purely speculative and this many years off in the future.
Four years have passed since Apple acquired the LM rights and nothing has eventuated. Contrast that with their acquisition of Sapphire manufacturing capability - less than a year and the products are hitting the market.
curtis hannah wrote: »
How many times do dummy's have to realize that 6S will be same material as 6.
liquidmetal is a marketing term for all BMG or amorphous alloys,
BMG alloys can be light or heavy, all depends on the alloys used, 18kt gold alloy is heavier than aluminium alloy.
BUT BMG have a superior strength/weigh ratio to the crystalline alloys they replace.
i.e. liquidmetal aluminium is stronger and lighter than standard crystalline aluminium alloys.
also apple has been using liquidmetal for years, the sim ejector tool, and apple never bothered to tell anyone about that.
as to cost,
material cost of the original liquidmetal was high because of the use of platinum.
but BMG can be made with many different, cheaper metals, the only difference would be the performance of the BMG alloy.
how about production costs?
much cheaper to work with liquidmetal alloys, cheaper to inject mould in a few minutes rather than cnc mill for hours with lots of wast needing to be recycled.
melgross wrote: »
People often think this is science fiction, where you're losing the war on Monday, new weapons are designed on Tuesday, production starts on Wednesday, they begin using them on Thursday, Friday the war is won, and Saturday they are relaxing. Sunday, a new war begins, and the whole thing begins again.
You have convinced me.
Question: Apple has invented the series 7000 aluminium alloy that is 60% stronger and very light, so why did apple NOT use the new alloy to make the iPhone6 and iPhone6+ ?
Answer: Because the iPhones are milled out of a block of aluminium alloy, while the watch is injection moulded with the aluminium BMG alloy.
Question: If liquidmetal is so expensive and heavy, then why did apple make a sim ejector tool out of a supposedly expensive material, and why is the sim ejector tool so light ?
Answer: Different BMG alloys have different weight and prices, 18kt gold alloy > stainless alloy > aluminium alloy. both in weight and price.
liquidmetal is the commercial name given to any bulk metallic glass or amorphous alloys, and liquidmetal the company owns all the IP on how BMG's are injection moulded, tempered, made, which apple has free use of.
Apple invented this 7000 series alloy did they? http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/7000-series-aluminum-alloy-sheet.html
As for the SIM ejector tool :
And that would explain the 'why'. Perhaps the SIM ejector tool only seems light because it's small?
A colourful character who claims to have co-invented a LM alloy said he expected Apple would need to spend 300 - 500 million to develop manufacturing processes to use the material and that this would take some years. You are claiming that these processes currently exist and are ready to go. When did that happen?
apple/liquidmetal via crucible IP invented how the series 7000 alloy is cold forged/injected to make it a BMG, quick chilling, tweaked alloy mix.
as an example gold can have different metals mixed with it to make it 18kt. different alloy mix, same name.
and remember apple has made the claim itself that the watches are all made from "custom alloys"
liquidmetal is a term to describe ANY amorphous alloy,
liquidmetal injection moulding has existed for a while now .....