It was a real dumbass move to push U2 onto every iTunes user and then claim that this was a historic album release. It's no better than a newspaper including a free supplement CD.
Yep. If I hear one more person opine on what they think Steve would have done I think I'm going to vomit. Steve wouldn't have released a phone in two screen sizes. Steve wouldn't have released a watch in multiple different designs. Steve would've blown up the credit card industry (like he didn't do with the music industry?) blah blah blah. Vomit.
It just blows my mind that people who never worked with Steve, were not friends with him and probably didn't even know him that well seem to think they know better what he would do than the executives at Apple who worked with him for 15 years.
The Internet forums are breeding grounds for self-accredited Steve experts, armchair CEOs, and engineers with a degree in Opinionology from the University of FullOfThemselves.
Wonderful. More pandering to Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton et al is in order for Tim Cook's Apple.
"Treating people the same" - unless you're a white male. Then it's S.O.L.
Oh **** off. Go take a look at Apple's leadership page. Yeah, what a white-male hater Cook is. Not a single pixel of white on that page. Except, you know, almost everyone. It's always so easy to spot xenophobes and bigots - they can't help but get worked up whenever the word "diversity" is even mentioned, and then go on extreme tangents.
Bull sheet. He should have given us an album of our choice. Tired of this corporate double speak. Like when he gives away a gift card discount on Black Friday. Like what is that?
If you look a gift horse in the mouth, and detect the scent of ginger -- you're at the wrong end of the horse.
All good points to be sure. To be play devil's advocate, investing in Apple's products based on your comments is great if you can afford to do so. But what about "the next billion" or so people, who can't afford iPhones or the data plans associated with them, who want to participate on the Internet and get connected. This is where an initiative like Android One has great potential.
Yes, the trade-off for these users is that their information will be sold for advertising purposes but they at least get a chance to participate. That alone can be worth it.
What would make one not hack their android phone to not be a product, blocking all the data collecting. Would the authority (Google) frown upon this or let it still be "Open"
All good points to be sure. To be play devil's advocate, investing in Apple's products based on your comments is great if you can afford to do so. But what about "the next billion" or so people, who can't afford iPhones or the data plans associated with them, who want to participate on the Internet and get connected. This is where an initiative like Android One has great potential.
Yes, the trade-off for these users is that their information will be sold for advertising purposes but they at least get a chance to participate. That alone can be worth it.
Its creepy to see Google trying to make cheap phones just to gather people info.
Slap those who criticize Tim.
Tim is a great leader. And a greatest leader is growing in him.
Yep. If I hear one more person opine on what they think Steve would have done I think I'm going to vomit. Steve wouldn't have released a phone in two screen sizes. Steve wouldn't have released a watch in multiple different designs. Steve would've blown up the credit card industry (like he didn't do with the music industry?) blah blah blah. Vomit.
It just blows my mind that people who never worked with Steve, were not friends with him and probably didn't even know him that well seem to think they know better what he would do than the executives at Apple who worked with him for 15 years.
You're just jealous that steve only talks to me now. Now, be quite, I think he's trying to tune into me now.... "Steve? Are you there Steve? Talk to me Steve...? It's your friend, Bozo here...
All good points to be sure. To be play devil's advocate, investing in Apple's products based on your comments is great if you can afford to do so. But what about "the next billion" or so people, who can't afford iPhones or the data plans associated with them, who want to participate on the Internet and get connected. This is where an initiative like Android One has great potential.
Yes, the trade-off for these users is that their information will be sold for advertising purposes but they at least get a chance to participate. That alone can be worth it.
Its creepy to see Google trying to make cheap phones just to gather people info. .
If Apple wanted everyone's data all they need to do buy it on-line after the Android malware extracts it. But why would Apple want that date... we already know that Android users are cheap bastards that use their smart phones to text and surf facebook. (Although today I saw a user talking into their cell phone trying to get it to do a voice search for a restaurant location... it told him (via the display) that it couldn't connect to the internet at the moment, and it didn't know where he was at anyway.)
This was immediately after I'd just used my iPhone to do the same thing... I wonder if he had a Windows phone if Cortina would have told him to ask someone with a real phone...?
I think he's right that we need to be concerned about companies (Google) that make all their money out of collecting private data. I just wish there were more tech companies who had the same philosophy as Apple and that more consumers realised the risks associated with trusting corporations like Google...
I think that for consumers it is going to be a learning process that takes time. But once that process is complete, I think that more people will value the greater privacy and security provided by Apple ecosystem. And by then it will be too late for google -- their reputation will be set.
In a sense, Apple is making a long-term investment here. They are giving up some marketshare in the short run as they wait for consumers to go through this learning process. It is just another example of how Apple is playing a very long term game that other companies do not seem to be able to play. Other companies make plans for the next few quarters or, at best, couple of years. Apple seems to focus on the next decade. Another example was their decision to design their own SOCs -- that is a long term commitment that nobody else selling smartphones is willing to make.
<p>yet- google is very popular. i never understood why people would want 'free' things from that company when it hoards and reads your emails. </p><p> </p><p>android has a slew of apps that take your data and send it along. and people still love this data collecting company.</p><p> </p><p>if apple was collecting your data the way google was the internet would freak out with negative comments.</p>
Google products are free and platform agnostic that's probably why people like them and most of them are actually quite good. You do have to remember that the majority of Apple's customers have a windows PC. Those who are totally in the ecosystem are a small but growing majority.
Cantankerous is not a word I'd use to describe your presence here at these forums . Old as you may be you strike me more as very smart guy enjoying your life (and technology)
I think he's right that we need to be concerned about companies (Google) that make all their money out of collecting private data. I just wish there were more tech companies who had the same philosophy as Apple and that more consumers realised the risks associated with trusting corporations like Google...
"Our business is not based on having information about you. You're not our product,"
I wish Apple would do a full-on ad blitz based on this line. Maybe even an "I'm iPhone, I'm Android" series that elaborates exactly what information Google looks at and collects . It would creep out so many people, potentially devastating. Or then again,we'll just find out that Android users don't really care.
Well, yes, but I think it's safe to say there's a big difference between your kidneys and personal information.
To play devil's advocate (to use your words) what if that 'personal information' collected in a third, sorry, developing, world country, resulted in you being used as an organ donor without your consent?
"Our business is not based on having information about you. You're not our product,"
I wish Apple would do a full-on ad blitz based on this line. Maybe even an "I'm iPhone, I'm Android" series that elaborates exactly what information Google looks at and collects . It would creep out so many people, potentially devastating. Or then again,we'll just find out that Android users don't really care.
I like that idea. I suspect many buyers, especially those that are not tech savvy such as many older folks, don't think it through and such a campaign might make many think twice.
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It was a real dumbass move to push U2 onto every iTunes user and then claim that this was a historic album release. It's no better than a newspaper including a free supplement CD.
+1
The Internet forums are breeding grounds for self-accredited Steve experts, armchair CEOs, and engineers with a degree in Opinionology from the University of FullOfThemselves.
Wonderful. More pandering to Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton et al is in order for Tim Cook's Apple.
"Treating people the same" - unless you're a white male. Then it's S.O.L.
Oh **** off. Go take a look at Apple's leadership page. Yeah, what a white-male hater Cook is. Not a single pixel of white on that page. Except, you know, almost everyone. It's always so easy to spot xenophobes and bigots - they can't help but get worked up whenever the word "diversity" is even mentioned, and then go on extreme tangents.
yet- google is very popular. i never understood why people would want 'free' things from that company when it hoards and reads your emails.
android has a slew of apps that take your data and send it along. and people still love this data collecting company.
if apple was collecting your data the way google was the internet would freak out with negative comments.
If you look a gift horse in the mouth, and detect the scent of ginger -- you're at the wrong end of the horse.
No ... That'd be me ...
Why are you dragging me into this?¡
All good points to be sure. To be play devil's advocate, investing in Apple's products based on your comments is great if you can afford to do so. But what about "the next billion" or so people, who can't afford iPhones or the data plans associated with them, who want to participate on the Internet and get connected. This is where an initiative like Android One has great potential.
Yes, the trade-off for these users is that their information will be sold for advertising purposes but they at least get a chance to participate. That alone can be worth it.
What would make one not hack their android phone to not be a product, blocking all the data collecting. Would the authority (Google) frown upon this or let it still be "Open"
Its creepy to see Google trying to make cheap phones just to gather people info.
I looks like I have candies for kids.
You're just jealous that steve only talks to me now. Now, be quite, I think he's trying to tune into me now.... "Steve? Are you there Steve? Talk to me Steve...? It's your friend, Bozo here...
If Apple wanted everyone's data all they need to do buy it on-line after the Android malware extracts it. But why would Apple want that date... we already know that Android users are cheap bastards that use their smart phones to text and surf facebook. (Although today I saw a user talking into their cell phone trying to get it to do a voice search for a restaurant location... it told him (via the display) that it couldn't connect to the internet at the moment, and it didn't know where he was at anyway.)
This was immediately after I'd just used my iPhone to do the same thing... I wonder if he had a Windows phone if Cortina would have told him to ask someone with a real phone...?
I think that for consumers it is going to be a learning process that takes time. But once that process is complete, I think that more people will value the greater privacy and security provided by Apple ecosystem. And by then it will be too late for google -- their reputation will be set.
In a sense, Apple is making a long-term investment here. They are giving up some marketshare in the short run as they wait for consumers to go through this learning process. It is just another example of how Apple is playing a very long term game that other companies do not seem to be able to play. Other companies make plans for the next few quarters or, at best, couple of years. Apple seems to focus on the next decade. Another example was their decision to design their own SOCs -- that is a long term commitment that nobody else selling smartphones is willing to make.
Knowledge is Power ....
http://www.datamation.com/columns/executive_tech/article.php/3801006/Googles-Business-Model-YOU-Are-the-Product.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-newman/youre-not-googles-custome_b_841599.html
By coincidence I had just finished reading this article before reading your post and it seems highly relevant to post a link here regarding Google, and in particular Schmidt's role as seen by Assange. (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/julian-assange-on-snowden-parallels-why-hes-anti-google-and-inevitable-freedom/)
"Our business is not based on having information about you. You're not our product,"
I wish Apple would do a full-on ad blitz based on this line. Maybe even an "I'm iPhone, I'm Android" series that elaborates exactly what information Google looks at and collects . It would creep out so many people, potentially devastating. Or then again,we'll just find out that Android users don't really care.
lol
To play devil's advocate (to use your words) what if that 'personal information' collected in a
third, sorry, developing, world country, resulted in you being used as an organ donor without your consent?I like that idea. I suspect many buyers, especially those that are not tech savvy such as many older folks, don't think it through and such a campaign might make many think twice.