You guys do realize that the infringement of the patents is valid, just not the amount awarded right? The appeal was for the amount awarded, not the validity of the patents. Apple is still going to have to pay for infringement. Apple will also still have to pay for licensing or they'll have to remove the parts in FaceTime that infringe on the patents.
The reason the appeal was successful was the judges felt that incorrect directions were given to the jury AND that the testimony of an expert witness should have not been allowed. There is still the chance that a different jury could award the same amount.
So how does one award damages for a patent they them selves did not use? Give them a buck? Or does Apple offer for example(just guessing) typical Fair and Reasonable for essential service fees?
Sooooo then... exactly how was Virnetx utilizing and implementing the patent in real-life applications?
Don't you have to be actively using or developing the said patent to maintain it?
Nope. Not in US
Or does the US Government allow companies to patent vague and ambiguous concepts for suing other companies who one day develop a concept into a product that kinda resembles said concept patent?
You can argue that something is too vague and get patent invalidated. Or that you made major improvement and this created a new invention. Argue that your invention came from another source. And so on
Apple fought some bloody war with Samsung ... and they've learnt a lot. That is, they are going to drag this thing forever and ever until you run out of $$. Mark my word.
That said, you should've grabbed whatever $$ you got from them and hide your skinny asses! Now, it's just too late...
I just patented warp drive, phasers, transporters, dilithium crystals, Heisenberg compensators, photon torpedoes, quantum torpedoes, tricorders, subspace communications, holodecks, replicators, impulse drive, metaphasic shields, and universal translators. Once they actually get invented I'll file a lawsuit if they don't license it from me. Apparently there is no requirement that I actually build anything that works -- just the concept is enough. Tomorrow I file for Star Wars tech.
I just patented warp drive, phasers, transporters, dilithium crystals, Heisenberg compensators, photon torpedoes, quantum torpedoes, tricorders, subspace communications, holodecks, replicators, impulse drive, metaphasic shields, and universal translators. Once they actually get invented I'll file a lawsuit if they don't license it from me. Apparently there is no requirement that I actually build anything that works -- just the concept is enough. Tomorrow I file for Star Wars tech.
I don't know if you should do this, because in one of the trials for Apple's design of the iPhone or iPad the tablets in the Star Trek saga have been used as prior art.
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You guys do realize that the infringement of the patents is valid, just not the amount awarded right? The appeal was for the amount awarded, not the validity of the patents. Apple is still going to have to pay for infringement. Apple will also still have to pay for licensing or they'll have to remove the parts in FaceTime that infringe on the patents.
The reason the appeal was successful was the judges felt that incorrect directions were given to the jury AND that the testimony of an expert witness should have not been allowed. There is still the chance that a different jury could award the same amount.
So how does one award damages for a patent they them selves did not use? Give them a buck? Or does Apple offer for example(just guessing) typical Fair and Reasonable for essential service fees?
Nope. Not in US
You can argue that something is too vague and get patent invalidated. Or that you made major improvement and this created a new invention. Argue that your invention came from another source. And so on
That worried me at the time and I never understood the logic.
Anyone point me to the court judge's ruling?
That worried me at the time and I never understood the logic.
Anyone point me to the court judge's ruling?
Can't anonymous requests be made to the PTO, as happens with every single patent Apple sues over?
I wonder when all these patent trolls are going to go out and invent something so I can sue them? I'm in need of 300-400 million.
To VirnetX Board of Morons;
Apple fought some bloody war with Samsung ... and they've learnt a lot. That is, they are going to drag this thing forever and ever until you run out of $$. Mark my word.
That said, you should've grabbed whatever $$ you got from them and hide your skinny asses! Now, it's just too late...
I just patented warp drive, phasers, transporters, dilithium crystals, Heisenberg compensators, photon torpedoes, quantum torpedoes, tricorders, subspace communications, holodecks, replicators, impulse drive, metaphasic shields, and universal translators. Once they actually get invented I'll file a lawsuit if they don't license it from me. Apparently there is no requirement that I actually build anything that works -- just the concept is enough. Tomorrow I file for Star Wars tech.
More like a bunch of hyena's.
Ha! Just got trilithium and hyvroxilated quint-ethyl metacetamin. Suck it!
I was going to get neutronium, but it was rejected for being a real thing.
Of course. It’d be distasteful, though.
I support them doing it if after all the retrials and whatever they’re still found infringing.
I just patented warp drive, phasers, transporters, dilithium crystals, Heisenberg compensators, photon torpedoes, quantum torpedoes, tricorders, subspace communications, holodecks, replicators, impulse drive, metaphasic shields, and universal translators. Once they actually get invented I'll file a lawsuit if they don't license it from me. Apparently there is no requirement that I actually build anything that works -- just the concept is enough. Tomorrow I file for Star Wars tech.
I don't know if you should do this, because in one of the trials for Apple's design of the iPhone or iPad the tablets in the Star Trek saga have been used as prior art.
Can't remember if the judge accepted that.
I don't know if you can anymore. I'm sure they patented the tech a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.