I'm quite certain I called it magnetic inductive charging, did I not? It's not WIRELESS, however.
No induction is. There are always wires from the power plant to the device being powered. There are no wires from the device to the charger, which is what modern induction charging cares about.
I suppose we (devs) won't need much more RAM - but that's disappointing as far as internal space.
Maybe they'll pull what they did with the original iPhone and drop the smallest capacity in exchange for the 8gb standard - that seems more acceptable as a basic size.
It's not thin enough- needs to go under a shirt sleeve.. But maybe it will get thinner like every iPhone ever has.
Don't blame Apple because your wrist is too thick for a normal shirt sleeve.
I'm quite certain I called it magnetic inductive charging, did I not? It's not WIRELESS, however.
No induction is. There are always wires from the power plant to the device being powered. There are no wires from the device to the charger, which is what modern induction charging cares about.
Is it possible ttollerton is from the UK? To us colonials, "wireless" means simply "without wires" (connecting the charger to the device), whereas to him "wireless" may mean "radio".
So no, the power is not transmitted to the device via electromagnetic radiation, so it's not "wireless" transmission in the British sense, but the charger acts as the primary, and some coil in the device as the secondary of a transformer, transferring power inductively (and "wirelessly" in the American sense).
I've worn a watch for decades and my initial reaction was that it will have great functionality but looked a little boring. I was never a fan of rectangular watch faces, but I've always preferred an analog face and round is the natural shape for an analog face. However, this is not an analog watch, and a rectangular screen is a natural shape for a computer with graphical display, however small.
Ive & Co must have been staring at every reasonable configuration for years and I can well imagine that after living and working with it they've settled on a design that feels like the right compromise. For your basic rectangle, this thing is smooth and has some pretty sexy curves; I find myself liking it more every time I look at it. I originally thought I'd wait for gen 2 but now don't think I'll be able to wait for another year.
It's not an iPhone, but it's going to fly off the shelf.
I have a beautiful ceramic RADO, and no way in heck am I going to replace it with an iWatch. Again, here are the facts:
Hard to say. Telling people they have to recharge a watch every single day is not a good selling point. You cannot even go away for a weekend without taking the charger. I already have a watch, and I am not into fitness bands, so I don't see how the Apple Watch would provide any benefits. I think it is a small market and the current smart watches pretty much confirm that. It might be popular with a target market, but it won't outsell iPhones or iPads. It requires an iPhone to function, so you can already eliminate the market that does not have an iPhone. Same reason why Android users are not rushing to buy a smart watch, and there are a variety of them, both good and bad.
- people do NOT want to be connected and tracked at all times; face it.
You hit all the valid points. The fanatics just can't seem to comprehend that. It is not very inspiring. It is a rectangle with a black square. I have had plenty of other watches that had more style. Recharging every night is ridiculous battery life. People complain about their iPhone batteries dying quickly with every iOS update, or when the phones get a few years old. My 4S battery won't last the day. Telling people a brand-new product requires nightly recharges won't sell well. What will happen in a few years…it will last a few hours? People do not drop $350 every few years to buy a new watch like they do a phone. I don't want to be connected and tracked. I do not want my personal information on any cloud service.
Its not wireless inductive charging. It's magnetic inductive charging. There is a wire involved that must be magnetically connected to the back of the watch.
What are you talking about? Wireless inductive charging is always assumed to be magnetic(for all practical purposes). The wireless part means there are no external electrical contacts. You can, if you choose, charge the Apple watch by holding the watch a few millimeters away from the magnetic source. Even sliding a piece of paper between the the Maglock and the watch will not prevent the charge. The reason for the Maglock is to snap the wireless transmitter at an optimal distance and position, since not all of the bands will allow the watch to lay totally flat against an induction panel(especially the sport).
Your cuffs have no buttons? You either need to buy real shirts or stop being a gormless knob and learn how to put on and take off shirts. With a tight cuff your hands wouldn't fit through the opening either.
Many dress watches don't fit under tight cuffs. Most dress watches, even the thin ones, are more than 5mm.
I'm really surprised at how this will only be 1/2 an iphone(5C) at it, really would liked apple to kick in the 2 gb ram on IOS devices so ratio would feel right.
In other news, Tim Cook has reported first weekend sales of 10 million.
That's good, but not as stellar as I was predicting, which was 13 million. Of course, China wasn't included this year; it was, last year. I wonder if some spreadsheet whizz could estimate the difference not having China makes.
its a good thing Apple doesnt run its actual, real-world business according to what you predict.
As something of a "throw away" I remember Tim Cook mentioning that the Apple Watch could function on its own to play music (presumably through BT, since there is obviously no plug.) "If someone wants to go out on a run, they can play music just from their watch." Interesting, but I kind of think we've gotten to the point where going out on a run without your phone isn't really done. I carry mine as a safety device. Get hit by a car? Or twist an ankle? The iPhone makes many options available.
Maybe there's an opportunity for some very limited emergency function. Turn on that GPS chip only when a 911 call is needed....and then connect to cell...how? Maybe wifi, but the Apple pitch videos were showing fitness models running on the beach.
1) we never run w/ our phone(s). one, because its heavy, and two, because we dont want to get mugged in our urban area.
2) the only thing i need in a fitness tracker is it to track activity/calories. dont really need to look at pretty maps of my same old runs.
You can do fitness tracking, you can control music, do payments. Its only killer feature is allowing you to not have to take the phone out for 10% of the activities but that's hardly compelling when people are happily taking them out for the other 90%.
why wouldnt i want to jog w/ only a watch and no smartphone or wallet? i could listen to music and still buy stuff....sounds good to me.
I have a beautiful ceramic RADO, and no way in heck am I going to replace it with an iWatch. Again, here are the facts:
- a totally fugly design, bulky, square, absolutely uninspiring, absolutely un-Apple like;
- ridiculous battery life for a watch;
- people do NOT want to be connected and tracked at all times; face it.
As for the iPhone, it's gonna sell like hotcakes just because, despite its merely evolutionary iteration.
- not fugly, not square, not un-apple like
- not ridiculous for a smartwatch, which is what it is (remember: smartphone batt life sucked compared to feature-phones)
- huh? the whole point is about tracking yourself...thus "fitness TRACKER" as an existing product category
I love his personal aesthetic judgment being promoted to the status of "fact". I looked up "ceramic RADO" on their website and for sale on eBay (can't say I'd ever heard of them before). Designs cover a lot of ground. Many of them are "bulky" and "square". Since my judgment is equally entitled to the status of "fact", I would call all of them busy and tasteless.
To me, the ?Watch (at least the stainless steel one with the expandable bracelet) is simple, elegant, and beautiful. The ones with the plastic straps look kind of childish, and I'd pay extra for the case not to be gold. But all in all, a really tasteful design.
the killer apps are payments and keys. I can carry nothing but the watch and have the ability to pay for stuff, open doors, start my car, etc.
Being able to make payments without the phone nearby would be useful even though it's not unique to the Watch. The Watch is only supported in stores and not online, which makes me wonder if that's due to a lack of security on the Watch. The following page says the Watch is supported for payments when paired with a phone but it does say the Watch will have its own secure element to store codes:
It says that if the phone is stolen, you can wipe it. Plus it needs fingerprints to unlock anyway but you can't remote wipe the Watch. Maybe unpairing it from the phone will prevent it from being used for payments if it's stolen. I wonder who then covers the bill for any fraudulent transactions done before it was disabled.
Opening doors and starting cars can be done with the phone too and again the security becomes a factor - will an insurance company cover damage to your car if your watch is stolen and used to unlock and steal your car? It looks like the Watch antenna won't be as powerful as the iPhone one. They say to hold the watch face near the device when paying. An iPhone could potentially unlock a door or allow you to start a car while it's in your pocket but it's more secure if it needs the fingerprint.
It's a great idea for buying fast food or transport tickets. The sooner we move to being coinless the better IMO but there will be coins as long as things aren't priced in whole units. I expect stores can give change back via NFC as a credit instead of coins.
I really like the idea of paying with just a wrist band of some sort but not one that costs $350.
edit: the following site says that when you remove the Watch it requires a passcode to unlock it:
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I'm quite certain I called it magnetic inductive charging, did I not? It's not WIRELESS, however.
No induction is. There are always wires from the power plant to the device being powered. There are no wires from the device to the charger, which is what modern induction charging cares about.
I suppose we (devs) won't need much more RAM - but that's disappointing as far as internal space.
Maybe they'll pull what they did with the original iPhone and drop the smallest capacity in exchange for the 8gb standard - that seems more acceptable as a basic size.
It's not thin enough- needs to go under a shirt sleeve.. But maybe it will get thinner like every iPhone ever has.
Don't blame Apple because your wrist is too thick for a normal shirt sleeve.Is it possible ttollerton is from the UK? To us colonials, "wireless" means simply "without wires" (connecting the charger to the device), whereas to him "wireless" may mean "radio".
So no, the power is not transmitted to the device via electromagnetic radiation, so it's not "wireless" transmission in the British sense, but the charger acts as the primary, and some coil in the device as the secondary of a transformer, transferring power inductively (and "wirelessly" in the American sense).
Not a chance.
I've worn a watch for decades and my initial reaction was that it will have great functionality but looked a little boring. I was never a fan of rectangular watch faces, but I've always preferred an analog face and round is the natural shape for an analog face. However, this is not an analog watch, and a rectangular screen is a natural shape for a computer with graphical display, however small.
Ive & Co must have been staring at every reasonable configuration for years and I can well imagine that after living and working with it they've settled on a design that feels like the right compromise. For your basic rectangle, this thing is smooth and has some pretty sexy curves; I find myself liking it more every time I look at it. I originally thought I'd wait for gen 2 but now don't think I'll be able to wait for another year.
It's not an iPhone, but it's going to fly off the shelf.
I have a beautiful ceramic RADO, and no way in heck am I going to replace it with an iWatch. Again, here are the facts:
- a totally fugly design, bulky, square, absolutely uninspiring, absolutely un-Apple like;
- ridiculous battery life for a watch;
- people do NOT want to be connected and tracked at all times; face it.
As for the iPhone, it's gonna sell like hotcakes just because, despite its merely evolutionary iteration.
They will absolutely sell millions of them.
Hard to say. Telling people they have to recharge a watch every single day is not a good selling point. You cannot even go away for a weekend without taking the charger. I already have a watch, and I am not into fitness bands, so I don't see how the Apple Watch would provide any benefits. I think it is a small market and the current smart watches pretty much confirm that. It might be popular with a target market, but it won't outsell iPhones or iPads. It requires an iPhone to function, so you can already eliminate the market that does not have an iPhone. Same reason why Android users are not rushing to buy a smart watch, and there are a variety of them, both good and bad.
Again, here are the facts:
- a totally fugly design, bulky, square, absolutely uninspiring, absolutely un-Apple like;
- ridiculous battery life for a watch;
- people do NOT want to be connected and tracked at all times; face it.
You hit all the valid points. The fanatics just can't seem to comprehend that. It is not very inspiring. It is a rectangle with a black square. I have had plenty of other watches that had more style. Recharging every night is ridiculous battery life. People complain about their iPhone batteries dying quickly with every iOS update, or when the phones get a few years old. My 4S battery won't last the day. Telling people a brand-new product requires nightly recharges won't sell well. What will happen in a few years…it will last a few hours? People do not drop $350 every few years to buy a new watch like they do a phone. I don't want to be connected and tracked. I do not want my personal information on any cloud service.
Its not wireless inductive charging. It's magnetic inductive charging. There is a wire involved that must be magnetically connected to the back of the watch.
What are you talking about? Wireless inductive charging is always assumed to be magnetic(for all practical purposes). The wireless part means there are no external electrical contacts. You can, if you choose, charge the Apple watch by holding the watch a few millimeters away from the magnetic source. Even sliding a piece of paper between the the Maglock and the watch will not prevent the charge. The reason for the Maglock is to snap the wireless transmitter at an optimal distance and position, since not all of the bands will allow the watch to lay totally flat against an induction panel(especially the sport).
I'm pretty sure there are wires in my wireless router too. Belkin are lying to me!
Yes but those are beautiful.
In other news, Tim Cook has reported first weekend sales of 10 million.
That's good, but not as stellar as I was predicting, which was 13 million. Of course, China wasn't included this year; it was, last year. I wonder if some spreadsheet whizz could estimate the difference not having China makes.
its a good thing Apple doesnt run its actual, real-world business according to what you predict.
As something of a "throw away" I remember Tim Cook mentioning that the Apple Watch could function on its own to play music (presumably through BT, since there is obviously no plug.) "If someone wants to go out on a run, they can play music just from their watch." Interesting, but I kind of think we've gotten to the point where going out on a run without your phone isn't really done. I carry mine as a safety device. Get hit by a car? Or twist an ankle? The iPhone makes many options available.
Maybe there's an opportunity for some very limited emergency function. Turn on that GPS chip only when a 911 call is needed....and then connect to cell...how? Maybe wifi, but the Apple pitch videos were showing fitness models running on the beach.
1) we never run w/ our phone(s). one, because its heavy, and two, because we dont want to get mugged in our urban area.
2) the only thing i need in a fitness tracker is it to track activity/calories. dont really need to look at pretty maps of my same old runs.
True.
But the material one is already known: that this is Apple's second Newton.
...he says, without all the facts.
good lord.
You can do fitness tracking, you can control music, do payments. Its only killer feature is allowing you to not have to take the phone out for 10% of the activities but that's hardly compelling when people are happily taking them out for the other 90%.
why wouldnt i want to jog w/ only a watch and no smartphone or wallet? i could listen to music and still buy stuff....sounds good to me.
I have a beautiful ceramic RADO, and no way in heck am I going to replace it with an iWatch. Again, here are the facts:
- a totally fugly design, bulky, square, absolutely uninspiring, absolutely un-Apple like;
- ridiculous battery life for a watch;
- people do NOT want to be connected and tracked at all times; face it.
As for the iPhone, it's gonna sell like hotcakes just because, despite its merely evolutionary iteration.
- not fugly, not square, not un-apple like
- not ridiculous for a smartwatch, which is what it is (remember: smartphone batt life sucked compared to feature-phones)
- huh? the whole point is about tracking yourself...thus "fitness TRACKER" as an existing product category
Yes but those are beautiful.
next youll be saying beauty isnt in the eye of the beholder...
I love his personal aesthetic judgment being promoted to the status of "fact". I looked up "ceramic RADO" on their website and for sale on eBay (can't say I'd ever heard of them before). Designs cover a lot of ground. Many of them are "bulky" and "square". Since my judgment is equally entitled to the status of "fact", I would call all of them busy and tasteless.
To me, the ?Watch (at least the stainless steel one with the expandable bracelet) is simple, elegant, and beautiful. The ones with the plastic straps look kind of childish, and I'd pay extra for the case not to be gold. But all in all, a really tasteful design.
Being able to make payments without the phone nearby would be useful even though it's not unique to the Watch. The Watch is only supported in stores and not online, which makes me wonder if that's due to a lack of security on the Watch. The following page says the Watch is supported for payments when paired with a phone but it does say the Watch will have its own secure element to store codes:
https://www.apple.com/apple-pay/
It says that if the phone is stolen, you can wipe it. Plus it needs fingerprints to unlock anyway but you can't remote wipe the Watch. Maybe unpairing it from the phone will prevent it from being used for payments if it's stolen. I wonder who then covers the bill for any fraudulent transactions done before it was disabled.
Opening doors and starting cars can be done with the phone too and again the security becomes a factor - will an insurance company cover damage to your car if your watch is stolen and used to unlock and steal your car? It looks like the Watch antenna won't be as powerful as the iPhone one. They say to hold the watch face near the device when paying. An iPhone could potentially unlock a door or allow you to start a car while it's in your pocket but it's more secure if it needs the fingerprint.
It's a great idea for buying fast food or transport tickets. The sooner we move to being coinless the better IMO but there will be coins as long as things aren't priced in whole units. I expect stores can give change back via NFC as a credit instead of coins.
I really like the idea of paying with just a wrist band of some sort but not one that costs $350.
edit: the following site says that when you remove the Watch it requires a passcode to unlock it:
http://www.macworld.com/article/2607181/why-apple-pay-could-be-the-mobile-payment-system-youll-actually-use.html
I guess it'll just come up with a 4 text field input with a number pad. I don't think that's been shown in demos so far.