Apple's A8-powered iPhone 6 & 6 Plus impress, outperform competing phones in benchmarks

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  • Reply 41 of 64
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,284member
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    Originally Posted by Seankill View Post

     

    You are far from alone apparently. I am super excited to see this. Wish Apple talked about it or included the 2.1A charger. 

     

    http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/22/iphone-6-and-6-plus-charging/


    Just saw 9to5Mac points to an ilounge.com posting from 3 days ago that suggested the possibility.

     

    My observations are qualitative and only based on one use of the 2.1A charger, but it looks like the last 10% (going from 90% to 100% full) goes slow again, as though the speed of charging tapers off. (Likely a programmed behavior to avoid overcharging, overheating or damaging the battery.) Going from 17% to 80% was certainly much faster than with the iPhone charger.

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  • Reply 42 of 64
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
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    Although I appreciated the article itself, the article title is disingenuous in light of the severely lackluster GPU performance. GPU matters as much as CPU in many cases, even when you are not playing games.



    That would be due to the benchmark software not keeping up with the more advanced features of iOS 8, after all it was written for iOS 7 - 7.1.

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  • Reply 43 of 64
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,084member
    cnocbui wrote: »
    The Phonearena battery test obviously uses a different methodology.  While the 6 still does well, it is not ahead of the pack.  I am not sure why anyone would expect the 6 and 6 plus to have extraordinary battery life.  They are extraordinarily thin with a very powerful processor, it is unreasonable to expect those two features would deliver class leading battery life.

    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="49354" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/49354/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 418px">
    This is why I and others would have preferred a slightly thicker phone with a bigger battery that didn't have a protruding camera.
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  • Reply 44 of 64
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
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    This is why I and others would have preferred a slightly thicker phone with a bigger battery that didn't have a protruding camera.



    The battery life is better than my 5s, a lot better and that's all that counts besides having used smartphone's for a few years now I make sure I am never far from a charger including a portable battery pack I carry in a pocket.

     

    A triangle is stable, this becomes obvious when you lay an iPhone 6 on a table and there is no sign of rocking unless you go out of your way to press outside the screen on the top corner opposite the camera, as there is no need to do this for any purpose it isn't an issue.

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  • Reply 45 of 64
    droidftwdroidftw Posts: 1,009member
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    There's only so much optimization you can put into a benchmark for specific hardware, you can't just replace huge chunks of code for one device and call it a fair benchmark. It's a test of the hardware's raw performance, not the software. In a way it gives a false view of the end-user performance but it's designed to compare the same software on different hardware.

    I trust Anandtech more:



    http://www.phonearena.com/news/Correction-new-battery-life-results-of-G3-and-S5_id57484



    Check the bottom of the page, takes you to meetgadgets, check the bottom of the page to see affiliates. They list Samsung phones there for some reason.



    phonearena: cough, er it turns out that a device from one of our affiliates was benchmarked with a lower score so we're eh, just going to make a slight adjustment to that so now instead of the LG having 30 minutes more battery life, our custom web script now shows that the Samsung (our affiliate) has well over an hour more battery life.

     

    And who just hired Anand Lal Shimpi from Anandtech?  ;)  I'm not even sure it's possible to find completely unbiased reporting these days.

     

    That said, it looks like the new iPhones are definitely towards the top of the list in terms of battery life no matter which site you prefer.  Kudos to them for making the leap to bigger screens and holding their own with the competition.

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  • Reply 46 of 64
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
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    And who just hired Anand Lal Shimpi from Anandtech?  ;)  I'm not even sure it's possible to find completely unbiased reporting these days.

     

    That said, it looks like the new iPhones are definitely towards the top of the list in terms of battery life no matter which site you prefer.  Kudos to them for making the leap to bigger screens and holding their own with the competition.




    Competition, what competition?

     

    Samsung hasn't released one of those pictures with the people holding up the number cards for quite some time now.

     

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  • Reply 47 of 64
    droidftwdroidftw Posts: 1,009member
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    Competition, what competition?

     

    Samsung hasn't released one of those pictures with the people holding up the number cards for quite some time now.

     


     

    Why does that picture make me think of this one?  <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

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  • Reply 48 of 64
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


     

    That first guy holding up a phone has a comma on it, but the second guy’s phone has a period. :p

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  • Reply 49 of 64

    Wait, why?


    It HAS a regular 1080 screen. Why is it rendering above that resolution? Why is it downsampling at ALL?
    I could guess apple tested a device at this resolution, likely an over 6 inch screen that they have ready when it's asked for, 6S, 7 maybe.
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  • Reply 50 of 64
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,057member
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    what chance for the A8 nfc 4 inch screen 

    i don't like the larger sizes

    would you think that next round we'd have 4   4.7 5.5 all with touch id   nfc, etc


    Then how are they going to price them? 

    5S = free 

    6 = $99

    6+=$199

    6?4" = What?

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  • Reply 51 of 64
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    blastdoor wrote: »

    The new Core M is way faster, both CPU and GPU.

    But I'm not sure it matters. Core M is also much more expensive than what apple is likely paying for the A8, and most iphone and iPad users are not cpu constrained.

    If you're thinking about MacBooks, the A8 is not competitive with Core M.

    But apple is gaining fast on Intel. It could be that in another two to three years apple might be making SOCs that really could go in a MacBook air

    I think that Intel is gaining faster on ARM's power consumption than ARM is gaining on Intel's performance. Broadwell iCore tablets in passive-cooled 7.2mm case are quite mean... of course, if design proves to be sustainable (not overheating etc. in some usage scenarios).

    http://www.slashgear.com/intel-outs-stunning-fanless-broadwell-tablet-design-for-2014-2-in-1s-03331832/
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  • Reply 52 of 64
    droidftwdroidftw Posts: 1,009member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

    That first guy holding up a phone has a comma on it, but the second guy’s phone has a period. :p


     

    But he's not holding an iPad.  :smokey:

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  • Reply 53 of 64
    For that exact reason, I also wonder if the tests are not able to measure Apple's chips accurately.
    I would bet on that... Think of it, are these benchmarks actually using the new SpriteKit, or Metal API's, to obtain every last ounce of the GPU, as pertaining to the GPU benchmarks in which the iPhone 6/6+ fall behind competitors?

    I'm willing to bet these benchmarks are still using OpenGL as the graphics "middle-man", and thus the true performance of the new A8 is no where NEAR being realized by these benchmarks.

    Once the benchmark developers factor in a method for testing the A8's GPU using the new Metal API of iOS 8, I expect the iPhone 6/6+, and even the 5S, to MURDER every Android phone! :smokey:
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  • Reply 54 of 64
    jdw wrote: »
    Although I appreciated the article itself, the article title is disingenuous in light of the severely lackluster GPU performance. GPU matters as much as CPU in many cases, even when you are not playing games.
    As I just posted above, likely the lower GPU performance is because these benchmarks are not utilizing the new Metal API of iOS 8, thus not giving the apps direct access to the GPU, to truly showcase the new chips' abilities.

    If the benchmark developers update their utilities to take advantage of Metal, I expect these to RADICALLY increase.
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  • Reply 55 of 64
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,284member
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    Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

     

    The Phonearena battery test obviously uses a different methodology.  While the 6 still does well, it is not ahead of the pack.  I am not sure why anyone would expect the 6 and 6 plus to have extraordinary battery life.  They are extraordinarily thin with a very powerful processor, it is unreasonable to expect those two features would deliver class leading battery life.


    My guess is Phonearena just isn't a representative test for the A7 or A8. These are very different processors from the rest (64-bit is just one aspect).

     

    Power consumption of microprocessors correlates well with the square of the clock frequency. Other things being equal, a chip operating at 2x the frequency of another would be expected to consume 4x the power. The A7 and A8 operate at far lower clock rates than the competition, yet outperform them. The A8 has far more transistors (not all of which are necessarily active) but also a smaller feature size (20 nm), which decreases power consumption.

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  • Reply 56 of 64
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,398member

    Glad Apple focused so much on power efficiency for the A8. There's barely anything that even taxes the A7 yet. Battery life, for most people, will be much more valuable than horse-power they'll probably never use. 

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  • Reply 57 of 64
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    Originally Posted by fallenjt View Post

     

    Then how are they going to price them? 

    5S = free 

    6 = $99

    6+=$199

    6?4" = What?


    You mean something like

    5S = $450

    6 = $550

    6+=$650

    ...

     

    Those are the actual prices of the devices. The figures you give are merely downpayments quoted by some carriers for twenty-four month financing plans as part of a two-year contract. 

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  • Reply 58 of 64
    herbapouherbapou Posts: 2,228member
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    Originally Posted by MagMan1979 View Post





    I would bet on that... Think of it, are these benchmarks actually using the new SpriteKit, or Metal API's, to obtain every last ounce of the GPU, as pertaining to the GPU benchmarks in which the iPhone 6/6+ fall behind competitors?



    I'm willing to bet these benchmarks are still using OpenGL as the graphics "middle-man", and thus the true performance of the new A8 is no where NEAR being realized by these benchmarks.



    Once the benchmark developers factor in a method for testing the A8's GPU using the new Metal API of iOS 8, I expect the iPhone 6/6+, and even the 5S, to MURDER every Android phone! image

     

    True, but since the Android devices dont have anything like metal and used higher DPI screens, the A8 is quite behind in terms of GPU raw power.  That being said, the A8 GPU is still very fast.

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  • Reply 59 of 64
    herbapou wrote: »
    True, but since the Android devices dont have anything like metal and used higher DPI screens, the A8 is quite behind in terms of GPU raw power.  That being said, the A8 GPU is still very fast.
    Not necessarily, as I've heard Android devices are now allowing near bare metal access to their GPU's as well, and I'm not sure if these benchmarks take advantage of those.
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  • Reply 60 of 64
    DOn't buy iPhone 6 Plus.. Its huge and over thin and it get bent so easily.. I just saw horrifying pics here :(
    http://axeetech.com/2014/09/23/dont-buy-iphone-6-plus-it-bends-like-beckham-even-in-your-pocket/
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