Um... That's really up to the woman, not you, not me, not anyone else.
Hardly. It is not as much of a choice as you might think. There is a very narrow window in which a female is ripe and in best physical health for both child birth and child rearing. They don't simply get to choose what phase of life that is.
But the corporate driven culture that women should stop caring about their family responsibilities and care more about themselves instead is a disgusting anti-human joke that needs to be stopped.
Hardly. It is not as much of a choice as you might think. There is a very narrow window in which a female is ripe and in best physical health for both child birth and child rearing. They don't simply get to choose what phase of life that is.
But the corporate driven culture that women should stop caring about their family responsibilities and care more about themselves instead is a disgusting anti-human joke that needs to be stopped.
This. Also, I find very telling how polarising the news seems to be, with highly respectable posters professing very different views. The core seems to be a debate between individual freedom versus social freedom, corporate culture and social responsibilities, and a general view on human behaviour. Also, I think that the role of grandparents gets heavily neglected in this debate. From what I can see around me, the best people have had both great parents and great grandparents. The later you have babies, the less likely they are to benefit from those grandparents.
Just came to me since my Mum just emailed saying we need to go by my (very ill) grandma in December, because it's likely the last Christmas we'll get with her. I was lucky to enjoy such a long time of knowing my grandparents, particularly at a point in their life when they were still extremely active, intellectually curious and capable of teaching us some of their immense culture and wisdom, at least bringing into us kids the love of knowledge, hard work and research, where our parents brought more (but not exclusively) respect of rules and others, as much as a sense of the necessity of tolerance and empathy, even though I'm far from always applying these as well as I should, I guess.
C'mon, you made a sweeping assertion, ignoring an entire sweep of human history where time and again, we have shown the ability to innovate and adapt -- and many, many before you, starting at least with Malthus, have had to suck eggs making similar arguments -- and you can't provide your argument?!
Agreed -- it has been a scare tactic used in various forms in attempts to control/manipulate society and procreation for centuries.
I just had an in-depth discussion with a friend of mine working in the food & agriculture industry the other day discussing the merits of cricket farming. Near zero energy usage and very little land required to provide a sustainable food source. As you stated: innovate and adapt.
Hardly. It is not as much of a choice as you might think. There is a very narrow window in which a female is ripe and in best physical health for both child birth and child rearing. They don't simply get to choose what phase of life that is.
But the corporate driven culture that women should stop caring about their family responsibilities and care more about themselves instead is a disgusting anti-human joke that needs to be stopped.
Thanks for your views, Adolph Hitler, Jr.
I have a strong suspicion that you have a lot of trouble communicating with or are afraid of women, thus the desire to control them.
Just stopping by to say that this is appalling. They should instead come up with some sort of program to get former employees back into the workforce after raising a family.
My wife left an amazing position as an executive for Coke to stay at home with our family. She would have loved to go back to them, and they'd have loved to have her, but it would have required a move to Atlanta (she previously worked for them in SLC and Austin). It would be nice to put this $20k that FB and Apple are offering up to re-integrate their employees.
my wife and I adopted 2 russian girls late in life! Here's a thought: not your problem! There's a host of reasons to allow this, not all having to do with keeping the old gal at a desk!
Agreed -- it has been a scare tactic used in various forms in attempts to control/manipulate society and procreation for centuries.
I just had an in-depth discussion with a friend of mine working in the food & agriculture industry the other day discussing the merits of cricket farming. Near zero energy usage and very little land required to provide a sustainable food source. As you stated: innovate and adapt.
my wife and I adopted 2 russian girls late in life! Here's a thought: not your problem! There's a host of reasons to allow this, not all having to do with keeping the old gal at a desk!
Could you clarify your comment? Rogifan stated, "Encouraging women to have babies later in life doesn't seem like s good thing to me." and then I asked "Why not."
My position is for people to plan to have children when when they are ready.
I think adoption is s beautiful thing. I was technically adopted as a child and believe It's always better for that child to be in a loving home.
Sounds like the extreme version of office perks so extensive that you stop having any other kind of life.
Need to eat? Go to the company cafeteria. Sick? Come in to work anyhow and go to the company clinic. Need to wash your clothes? No you don't, there's an on-site dry cleaner.
Thinking about starting a family? Nah, you have too many meetings this week. How about we just pay to freeze your eggs instead?
Sounds like the extreme version of office perks so extensive that you stop having any other kind of life.
Need to eat? Go to the company cafeteria. Sick? Come in to work anyhow and go to the company clinic. Need to wash your clothes? No you don't, there's an on-site dry cleaner.
Thinking about starting a family? Nah, you have too many meetings this week. How about we just pay to freeze your eggs instead?
Clearly this is something women have been asking for, since I believe Google also offers this identical 'perk'.
Could you clarify your comment? Regifan stated, "Encouraging women to have babies later in life doesn't seem like s good thing to me." and then I asked "Why not."
My position is for people to plan to have children when when they are ready.
I think adoption is s beautiful thing. I was technically adopted as a child and believe It's always better for that child to be in a loving home.
I probably should have included Regifans quote! I'm with you on this. The freezing of embryos allows women to have that flexability. There a several forms of cancer out there that render women infertile. The harvesting and storing off eggs is an invaluable option for women who may have a condition that affects their ability to conceive later in life. Not just to be able to tie them to an office!
Agreed -- it has been a scare tactic used in various forms in attempts to control/manipulate society and procreation for centuries.
I just had an in-depth discussion with a friend of mine working in the food & agriculture industry the other day discussing the merits of cricket farming. Near zero energy usage and very little land required to provide a sustainable food source. As you stated: innovate and adapt.
Funny that you mention that. I read a article the other day that insects might be the solution to our food problems. With the first wave being them used to feed livestock.
Clearly this is something women have been asking for, since I believe Google also offers this identical 'perk'.
But why are they asking for it? I'm not suggesting that employers should not offer some benefit just because they don't approve of its use, but I think that it would be better for most employees if these companies worked hard enough on encouraging work/life balance that women weren't asking to have their eggs frozen, at least not for the purpose of delaying a family so they can make more widgets.
But why are they asking for it? I'm not suggesting that employers should not offer some benefit just because they don't approve of its use, but I think that it would be better for most employees if these companies worked hard enough on encouraging work/life balance that women weren't asking to have their eggs frozen, at least not for the purpose of delaying a family so they can make more widgets.
Companies exist solely to make a profit. All of the other stuff is incidental in that pursuit and it really doesn't matter how it is downplayed or dressed up. Without that profit there is no possibility of "perks". The "work-life" trend is just the latest gibberish to fall from the mouths of workers who are blind to the simplicity of their financial arrangement. They are there to provide a financial advantage to their employer. When they no longer provide a benefit, they're gone.
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Hardly. It is not as much of a choice as you might think. There is a very narrow window in which a female is ripe and in best physical health for both child birth and child rearing. They don't simply get to choose what phase of life that is.
But the corporate driven culture that women should stop caring about their family responsibilities and care more about themselves instead is a disgusting anti-human joke that needs to be stopped.
Hey is your mother single? You are right there aren't many like that anymore.
No, she has been deceased for close to twenty years.
Hardly. It is not as much of a choice as you might think. There is a very narrow window in which a female is ripe and in best physical health for both child birth and child rearing. They don't simply get to choose what phase of life that is.
But the corporate driven culture that women should stop caring about their family responsibilities and care more about themselves instead is a disgusting anti-human joke that needs to be stopped.
This. Also, I find very telling how polarising the news seems to be, with highly respectable posters professing very different views. The core seems to be a debate between individual freedom versus social freedom, corporate culture and social responsibilities, and a general view on human behaviour. Also, I think that the role of grandparents gets heavily neglected in this debate. From what I can see around me, the best people have had both great parents and great grandparents. The later you have babies, the less likely they are to benefit from those grandparents.
Just came to me since my Mum just emailed saying we need to go by my (very ill) grandma in December, because it's likely the last Christmas we'll get with her. I was lucky to enjoy such a long time of knowing my grandparents, particularly at a point in their life when they were still extremely active, intellectually curious and capable of teaching us some of their immense culture and wisdom, at least bringing into us kids the love of knowledge, hard work and research, where our parents brought more (but not exclusively) respect of rules and others, as much as a sense of the necessity of tolerance and empathy, even though I'm far from always applying these as well as I should, I guess.
I wonder if he disliked nature. Everything is so non-symmetrical.
I wonder what happens to the eggs if a woman ups and quits. Maybe Apple is planning to clone you and your skills in case of such an emergency.
C'mon, you made a sweeping assertion, ignoring an entire sweep of human history where time and again, we have shown the ability to innovate and adapt -- and many, many before you, starting at least with Malthus, have had to suck eggs making similar arguments -- and you can't provide your argument?!
Agreed -- it has been a scare tactic used in various forms in attempts to control/manipulate society and procreation for centuries.
I just had an in-depth discussion with a friend of mine working in the food & agriculture industry the other day discussing the merits of cricket farming. Near zero energy usage and very little land required to provide a sustainable food source. As you stated: innovate and adapt.
Thanks for your views, Adolph Hitler, Jr.
I have a strong suspicion that you have a lot of trouble communicating with or are afraid of women, thus the desire to control them.
These views are extremely immature.
Just stopping by to say that this is appalling. They should instead come up with some sort of program to get former employees back into the workforce after raising a family.
My wife left an amazing position as an executive for Coke to stay at home with our family. She would have loved to go back to them, and they'd have loved to have her, but it would have required a move to Atlanta (she previously worked for them in SLC and Austin). It would be nice to put this $20k that FB and Apple are offering up to re-integrate their employees.
Why not?
my wife and I adopted 2 russian girls late in life! Here's a thought: not your problem! There's a host of reasons to allow this, not all having to do with keeping the old gal at a desk!
I wonder what happens to the eggs if a woman ups and quits. Maybe Apple is planning to clone you and your skills in case of such an emergency.
I would imagine they would remain hers, as long as she can pony up the $500 maint. fee!
Agreed -- it has been a scare tactic used in various forms in attempts to control/manipulate society and procreation for centuries.
I just had an in-depth discussion with a friend of mine working in the food & agriculture industry the other day discussing the merits of cricket farming. Near zero energy usage and very little land required to provide a sustainable food source. As you stated: innovate and adapt.
Dippped in chocolate, not half bad!
I would imagine they would remain hers, as long as she can pony up the $500 maint. fee!
She better read that amended EULA before for hitting "Accept".
Could you clarify your comment? Rogifan stated, "Encouraging women to have babies later in life doesn't seem like s good thing to me." and then I asked "Why not."
My position is for people to plan to have children when when they are ready.
I think adoption is s beautiful thing. I was technically adopted as a child and believe It's always better for that child to be in a loving home.
Need to eat? Go to the company cafeteria. Sick? Come in to work anyhow and go to the company clinic. Need to wash your clothes? No you don't, there's an on-site dry cleaner.
Thinking about starting a family? Nah, you have too many meetings this week. How about we just pay to freeze your eggs instead?
Dippped in chocolate, not half bad!
My friend was actually working on noodles made from cricket flour. Doubt most people would even know at that point.
Clearly this is something women have been asking for, since I believe Google also offers this identical 'perk'.
Could you clarify your comment? Regifan stated, "Encouraging women to have babies later in life doesn't seem like s good thing to me." and then I asked "Why not."
My position is for people to plan to have children when when they are ready.
I think adoption is s beautiful thing. I was technically adopted as a child and believe It's always better for that child to be in a loving home.
I probably should have included Regifans quote! I'm with you on this. The freezing of embryos allows women to have that flexability. There a several forms of cancer out there that render women infertile. The harvesting and storing off eggs is an invaluable option for women who may have a condition that affects their ability to conceive later in life. Not just to be able to tie them to an office!
Funny that you mention that. I read a article the other day that insects might be the solution to our food problems. With the first wave being them used to feed livestock.
Clearly this is something women have been asking for, since I believe Google also offers this identical 'perk'.
But why are they asking for it? I'm not suggesting that employers should not offer some benefit just because they don't approve of its use, but I think that it would be better for most employees if these companies worked hard enough on encouraging work/life balance that women weren't asking to have their eggs frozen, at least not for the purpose of delaying a family so they can make more widgets.
Companies exist solely to make a profit. All of the other stuff is incidental in that pursuit and it really doesn't matter how it is downplayed or dressed up. Without that profit there is no possibility of "perks". The "work-life" trend is just the latest gibberish to fall from the mouths of workers who are blind to the simplicity of their financial arrangement. They are there to provide a financial advantage to their employer. When they no longer provide a benefit, they're gone.