Yet again you spam the forum with insults and bring nothing of value to the table. Don't you ever tire of being such a worthless jerk?
What's your problem? Read his post.
Originally Posted by dasanman69
Competing businesses are not at 'war' with each other. I've never liked that word thrown around lightly. I'm sure if you had experienced the realities of war first hand you'd agree with me.
Having nothing whatsoever to do with your response or the use of the words therein.
While that claim is obviously exaggerated, the real question is exactly how is the PC market going to ever come out of its current structure? Everything is a race to the bottom, and none of the established vendors have been able to deliver a product to market that entices consumers to pay a premium. When it comes to profit, the PC wars may very well be over.
Not everyone can afford to pay a premium for a personal computer, nor do they want to. How is their structure any different than that of GM, or Toyota? Is the automobile 'war' over because they don't make as much profit as Mercedes Benz, or BMW?
Having nothing whatsoever to do with your response or the use of the words therein.
The purpose of war is to destroy, eradicate, and erase your opponent. To say that Apple has won the PC wars implies that the other manufacturers have ceased to be operational, and that's simply not the case. Tides change in business, and a company that was once strong could find itself weak, or vice versa.
The purpose of war is to destroy, eradicate, and erase your opponent. To say that Apple has won the PC wars implies that the other manufacturers have ceased to be operational, and that's simply not the case. Tides change in business, and a company that was once strong could find itself weak, or vice versa.
No, it's to achieve victory over. This has been accomplished. War does imply annex.
The purpose of war is to destroy, eradicate, and erase your opponent. To say that Apple has won the PC wars implies that the other manufacturers have ceased to be operational, and that's simply not the case. Tides change in business, and a company that was once strong could find itself weak, or vice versa.
Not quite in the tech realm. You know exactly what was meant. You're just being clever here, but being contrarian purely for its own sake doesn't change the situation.
It was a commonly-held belief that Microsoft and OEMs won the PC "wars." That's the phrasing that was (and still is) used. It is within the context of *that* particular meaning in which I made my comment.
You already know this, though. Whether you think the phrasing is grammatically or technically appropriate makes absolutely no difference.
Or maybe people are just liking what Apple has to offer compared to non-Apple computers.
I'm sure they do, but it's a combinations of right moves by Apple, which includes lower prices, more competitive prices, better integration with iDevices, being able to experience them in their stores, and, of course, the gateway effect of the customer satisfaction of their other products.
The purpose of war is to destroy, eradicate, and erase your opponent. To say that Apple has won the PC wars implies that the other manufacturers have ceased to be operational, and that's simply not the case. Tides change in business, and a company that was once strong could find itself weak, or vice versa.
1) I can think of very few wars that "destroy, eradicate, and erase" their opponent.
2) How many other OEMs are still making traditional "PCs" after 30+ years, not to mention succeeding at it turning a good profit?
Great, I guess IPad losses account for Mac gains?(at least in MacBooks)
Well this is interesting...
If you think you want a tablet to replace your windows laptop... look at an iPad and next to is is a 11" Macbook Air at 899. and a 13' at $999. You've looked at the iPad and thought while good, it's not for you... because for a couple hundred dollars more you get the keyboard, and the larger screen and the zippy performance. You see the better construction and all the headaches you've had with your Dell/HP/Lenovo laptop, and you say, I'd be spending $800 for a big iPad... $100 more and I get laptop with the same quality.
Personally, I also think you get an iPhone, and you don't need an iPad first... you need a laptop. The iPad is probably 3rd on your Apple shopping list for the casual computer user.
Competing businesses are not at 'war' with each other. I've never liked that word thrown around lightly. I'm sure if you had experienced the realities of war first hand you'd agree with me.
You have a narrow view of the definition of "war." Sound like the PTSD speaking.
1) I can think of very few wars that "destroy, eradicate, and erase" their opponent.
2) How many other OEMs are still making traditional "PCs" after 30+ years, not to mention succeeding at it turning a good profit?
Most wars are stalemates or at best everybody loses, but you lost more and so lets end it here.
Vietnam? Who won, or lost? If you judge by destruction alone, the viet cong lost.... Korean conflict? Nobody won. Iraq war. One side is "destroyed", but fights a rear guard action for the next 10 years.. Same with Afghanistan and most modern conflicts. Even the Bosnian war can hardly say that the Serbs were destroyed. In fact, the winning side lost more than the winners it seems. In Civil wars, everyone's destroyed, hardly a good conclusion. WWI, everybody lost, the germans slightly more. WWII, everyone in Europe struggled post war, yet the loser is the one who recovered the best.
While that claim is obviously exaggerated, the real question is exactly how is the PC market going to ever come out of its current structure? Everything is a race to the bottom, and none of the established vendors have been able to deliver a product to market that entices consumers to pay a premium. When it comes to profit, the PC wars may very well be over.
The PC market, for the most part, is dependant upon Intel / Windows (now Intel / ChromeOS) for its success. Until Windows 10 / Intel Broadwell platform roll out, we won't know how well the PC market will come out of its decline. I can't speak for the average consumer, but enterprises are more excited about Windows 10 compared to Windows 8. But like I said, we'll see.
Most wars are stalemates or at best everybody loses, but you lost more and so lets end it here.
Vietnam? Who won, or lost? If you judge by destruction alone, the viet cong lost.... Korean conflict? Nobody won. Iraq war. One side is "destroyed", but fights a rear guard action for the next 10 years.. Same with Afghanistan and most modern conflicts. Even the Bosnian war can hardly say that the Serbs were destroyed. In fact, the winning side lost more than the winners it seems. In Civil wars, everyone's destroyed, hardly a good conclusion. WWI, everybody lost, the germans slightly more. WWII, everyone in Europe struggled post war, yet the loser is the one who recovered the best.
The loser is much easier to find. Whose will was imposed at the end? We're not all speaking German, nor Japanese so Germany, and Japan lost the war. Nobody comes out unscathed though.
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What's your problem? Read his post.
Having nothing whatsoever to do with your response or the use of the words therein.
Not everyone can afford to pay a premium for a personal computer, nor do they want to. How is their structure any different than that of GM, or Toyota? Is the automobile 'war' over because they don't make as much profit as Mercedes Benz, or BMW?
The purpose of war is to destroy, eradicate, and erase your opponent. To say that Apple has won the PC wars implies that the other manufacturers have ceased to be operational, and that's simply not the case. Tides change in business, and a company that was once strong could find itself weak, or vice versa.
No, it's to achieve victory over. This has been accomplished. War does imply annex.
The purpose of war is to destroy, eradicate, and erase your opponent. To say that Apple has won the PC wars implies that the other manufacturers have ceased to be operational, and that's simply not the case. Tides change in business, and a company that was once strong could find itself weak, or vice versa.
Not quite in the tech realm. You know exactly what was meant. You're just being clever here, but being contrarian purely for its own sake doesn't change the situation.
It was a commonly-held belief that Microsoft and OEMs won the PC "wars." That's the phrasing that was (and still is) used. It is within the context of *that* particular meaning in which I made my comment.
You already know this, though. Whether you think the phrasing is grammatically or technically appropriate makes absolutely no difference.
I just read 25 pages of VERY smart people who have claimed Apple is doomed since they clearly dont know shit about what buyers want...
So, who's buying all these macs?
I'm sure they do, but it's a combinations of right moves by Apple, which includes lower prices, more competitive prices, better integration with iDevices, being able to experience them in their stores, and, of course, the gateway effect of the customer satisfaction of their other products.
1) I can think of very few wars that "destroy, eradicate, and erase" their opponent.
2) How many other OEMs are still making traditional "PCs" after 30+ years, not to mention succeeding at it turning a good profit?
1)Because one side usually gives up thus averting its eradication.
2)None
Great, I guess IPad losses account for Mac gains?(at least in MacBooks)
Well this is interesting...
If you think you want a tablet to replace your windows laptop... look at an iPad and next to is is a 11" Macbook Air at 899. and a 13' at $999. You've looked at the iPad and thought while good, it's not for you... because for a couple hundred dollars more you get the keyboard, and the larger screen and the zippy performance. You see the better construction and all the headaches you've had with your Dell/HP/Lenovo laptop, and you say, I'd be spending $800 for a big iPad... $100 more and I get laptop with the same quality.
Personally, I also think you get an iPhone, and you don't need an iPad first... you need a laptop. The iPad is probably 3rd on your Apple shopping list for the casual computer user.
I like all these superlatives, "crushes", "destroys", they make me smile.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Why do you act so stupid?
And a damned good actor he is!
Why do you act so stupid?
Competing businesses are not at 'war' with each other. I've never liked that word thrown around lightly. I'm sure if you had experienced the realities of war first hand you'd agree with me.
You have a narrow view of the definition of "war." Sound like the PTSD speaking.
I resemble that remark.
Because its definition is indeed narrow.
war
noun
1.a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.
And a damned good actor he is!
I resemble that remark.
You have a narrow view of the definition of "war." Sound like the PTSD speaking.
Because its definition is indeed narrow.
war
noun
1.a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.
And just that easily, you have elevated both Apple and Samsung to the status of nations...
1) I can think of very few wars that "destroy, eradicate, and erase" their opponent.
2) How many other OEMs are still making traditional "PCs" after 30+ years, not to mention succeeding at it turning a good profit?
Most wars are stalemates or at best everybody loses, but you lost more and so lets end it here.
Vietnam? Who won, or lost? If you judge by destruction alone, the viet cong lost.... Korean conflict? Nobody won. Iraq war. One side is "destroyed", but fights a rear guard action for the next 10 years.. Same with Afghanistan and most modern conflicts. Even the Bosnian war can hardly say that the Serbs were destroyed. In fact, the winning side lost more than the winners it seems. In Civil wars, everyone's destroyed, hardly a good conclusion. WWI, everybody lost, the germans slightly more. WWII, everyone in Europe struggled post war, yet the loser is the one who recovered the best.
While that claim is obviously exaggerated, the real question is exactly how is the PC market going to ever come out of its current structure? Everything is a race to the bottom, and none of the established vendors have been able to deliver a product to market that entices consumers to pay a premium. When it comes to profit, the PC wars may very well be over.
The PC market, for the most part, is dependant upon Intel / Windows (now Intel / ChromeOS) for its success. Until Windows 10 / Intel Broadwell platform roll out, we won't know how well the PC market will come out of its decline. I can't speak for the average consumer, but enterprises are more excited about Windows 10 compared to Windows 8. But like I said, we'll see.
Which they're not hence the word 'war' is not applicable. It's not that hard
The loser is much easier to find. Whose will was imposed at the end? We're not all speaking German, nor Japanese so Germany, and Japan lost the war. Nobody comes out unscathed though.