Hacks targeting Chinese iCloud users prompt Apple CEO Tim Cook to meet China's vice premier

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  • Reply 21 of 75
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

     

     

    I'm not sure at the point that he's trying to make either.

     

    That Saddam Hussein, Comical Ali and the Chinese Govt are honest and trustworthy sources, and that we should believe them? :err:


     

    ... or that "any" government is honest and trustworthy, and that we should believe them.

  • Reply 22 of 75
    inklinginkling Posts: 731member
    Tim Cook can't really pressure the Chinese government. To demonstrate that, check out two cities in the iOS 8.1 Clock app: Taipei, the capital of democratic Taiwan, and Lhasa, capital of Chinese-occupied Tibet. Taipei has no country. Lhasa is listed as Chinese. Corporate Apple cares not that repressive China has occupied Tibet and would like to occupy Taiwan, as well as crush what democracy remains in Hong Kong. Apple has no moral high ground on which to stand when it complains about what are probably government-funded intrusions into iCloud-China's security. Apple is a toothless and gutless mouse. It can't intimidate an increasingly aggressive Chinese tiger.
  • Reply 23 of 75
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 8,680member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

     

     

    ... or that "any" government is honest and trustworthy, and that we should believe them.


     

    True. It was highly unlikely that Ebola would ever come to the US, remember?<img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

    I knew that was BS as soon as those words were spoken.

  • Reply 24 of 75
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    tzeshan wrote: »
    Yes.  I think this is the original news from xinhuanet.
    http://news.xinhuanet.com/info/2014-10/22/c_133733410.htm
    When this AI article did not mention this refutation it will clearly give many AI readers this impression that Chinese government has admitted it did it. So it is extremely important for faithful reporting. 

    Do you believe the Chinese government when they refute any accusations against them?

    Have they ever been accused of anything and made a full admission?

    What are accurate criticisms against the Chinese government that you yourself have?
  • Reply 25 of 75
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 1,980member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GTR View Post





    Do you believe the Chinese government when they refute any accusations against them?



    Have they ever been accused of anything and made a full admission?



    What are accurate criticisms against the Chinese government that you yourself have?



    You and several other AI posters are still immature.  Every one lied some time in his life.  When you say believing the Chinese government you are asking too much.  Because can I say do you believe the US government?  So why do you put such high standard on a government you don't like?  This is not fair.

     

    I don't think the Chinese government are the perfect government.  It has many problems.  But my belief is the criticisms should be based on facts/truths.  And the criticism should be case by case.  This is my point since yesterday.  Read my first post and see if this what I was trying to day.  

     

    How do you gather facts?  You should start by listening to both sides and judge for yourself.  Isn't this what the justices are doing? 

     

    Confucius said more than two thousand years ago "?????“?

  • Reply 26 of 75
    sog35 wrote: »
    Really?  I mean REALLY?

    You really think Samsung is Chinese.......

    No. I don't remotely think Samsung is Chinese.

    If there is even a .0001% chance to misunderstand or negatively spin something, you've managed to do it, sir.
  • Reply 27 of 75
    inkling wrote: »
    Tim Cook can't really pressure the Chinese government. To demonstrate that, check out two cities in the iOS 8.1 Clock app: Taipei, the capital of democratic Taiwan, and Lhasa, capital of Chinese-occupied Tibet. Taipei has no country. Lhasa is listed as Chinese. Corporate Apple cares not that repressive China has occupied Tibet and would like to occupy Taiwan, as well as crush what democracy remains in Hong Kong. Apple has no moral high ground on which to stand when it complains about what are probably government-funded intrusions into iCloud-China's security. Apple is a toothless and gutless mouse. It can't intimidate an increasingly aggressive Chinese tiger.

    One does not quibble with nuclear-armed opponents.
  • Reply 28 of 75
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    tzeshan wrote: »

    You and several other AI posters are still immature.  Every one lied some time in his life.  When you say believing the Chinese government you are asking too much.  Because can I say do you believe the US government?  So why do you put such high standard on a government you don't like?  This is not fair.

    I don't think the Chinese government are the perfect government.  It has many problems.  But my belief is the criticisms should be based on facts/truths.  And the criticism should be case by case.  This is my point since yesterday.  Read my first post and see if this what I was trying to day.  

    How do you gather facts?  You should start by listening to both sides and judge for yourself.  Isn't this what the justices are doing? 

    Confucius said more than two thousand years ago "?????“?

    I am unsure why you believe myself and others to be immature when all that has occurred is that you have been asked questions and given an opportunity to explain the Chinese government's point of view.

    You didn't appear to directly answer any of the three questions in my previous post.

    Are you able to provide an answer?

    Also, are you currently located within China now?
  • Reply 29 of 75
    Originally Posted by wood1208 View Post

    Watch another decade and see where China stands in world order. Possibly #100.

     

    Fixed.

     

    Originally Posted by knowitall View Post

    You must know how silly this sounds.

     

    Oh, sure. I can't imagine Tim Cook quoting Oak Ridge Boys.

  • Reply 30 of 75
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 1,980member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GTR View Post





    Do you believe the Chinese government when they refute any accusations against them?


    This is not a yes or no answer.  But I will believe in Chinese government more than the anti-government groups and people.  A government bears more responsibility and consequences than the others like great fire.org.



    Have they ever been accused of anything and made a full admission?


    Do you have an example to the opposite?



    What are accurate criticisms against the Chinese government that you yourself have?


    Honestly I can not think of any now.  You threw many criticisms yesterday.  I provided my answers.  i am still waiting your reply. 

  • Reply 31 of 75
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 1,980member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GTR View Post





    I am unsure why you believe myself and others to be immature when all that has occurred is that you have been asked questions and given an opportunity to explain the Chinese government's point of view.



    You didn't appear to directly answer any of the three questions in my previous post.



    Are you able to provide an answer?



    Also, are you currently located within China now?



    I said you are immature because you still think people can be completely believable.  Have you asked your girl friend whether she loves you? lol

    I answered in the other post.

    I am not located within China.  Are you? 

  • Reply 32 of 75
    freerangefreerange Posts: 1,589member
    tzeshan wrote: »

    This AI article missed an important information.  According to Reuters the government has strongly refuted.  This is what I said many media is biased.  This bias has fooled us into costly invasion of Iraq.  Bush can easily fool Americans that Iraq is making WMDs.  In the years before 911, I read many Reuters news reporting Iraqi government words which repeatedly refuted many anti-Iraq claims.  But AP news which is very biased never reported.  From this discrepancy, I actually arrived the conclusion that Iraq was not making WMDs.  

    Similar situation happens to China for decades.  Many anti-Chinese government forces has repeatedly fabricated facts to demonize CCP.  Fa Lung Gong is in particular who fabricated that Chinese government harvested thousands of live people organs. FLG has its own newspaper, radio/tv station.  It makes you wonder who is supporting this nonsense organization?

    Oh please, don't be so naive. I have been traveling to China for 15 years, and just moved back after living there for over 5 years. Here is no moral compass in China, with the government or people. Just about everyone is trying to game the system and cheat to get ahead. The fact that all the major industries are State Owned Enterprises makes all their activities government sponsored by default.
  • Reply 33 of 75
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    tzeshan wrote: »

    Thank you for answering my queries.

    What do you mean by "Do you have an example to the opposite?"

    You are not able to think of a single criticism that you have against the Chinese government? Surely there must be something they've done that you have not agreed with?

    Which country are you currently located in? (I myself am currently located in Australia)

    I ask this because you have mentioned that you believe western media to be biased (which I agree with) but I am curious as to where you are located where you believe the information that you are receiving is also not biased.
  • Reply 34 of 75
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 1,980member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FreeRange View Post





    Oh please, don't be so naive. I have been traveling to China for 15 years, and just moved back after living there for over 5 years. Here is no moral compass in China, with the government or people. Just about everyone is trying to game the system and cheat to get ahead. The fact that all the major industries are State Owned Enterprises makes all their activities government sponsored by default.



    What is the more compass in US? 

  • Reply 35 of 75
    Originally Posted by tzeshan View Post

    What is the more compass in US? 

     

    Joke or genuine unfamiliarity?

  • Reply 36 of 75
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Inkling View Post



    Tim Cook can't really pressure the Chinese government. To demonstrate that, check out two cities in the iOS 8.1 Clock app: Taipei, the capital of democratic Taiwan, and Lhasa, capital of Chinese-occupied Tibet. Taipei has no country. Lhasa is listed as Chinese. Corporate Apple cares not that repressive China has occupied Tibet and would like to occupy Taiwan, as well as crush what democracy remains in Hong Kong. Apple has no moral high ground on which to stand when it complains about what are probably government-funded intrusions into iCloud-China's security. Apple is a toothless and gutless mouse. It can't intimidate an increasingly aggressive Chinese tiger.



    You don't expect Apple to display the backbone and ethical fortitude of Google do you?  There's no 45% profit in that.

  • Reply 37 of 75
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 1,980member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GTR View Post





    Thank you for answering my queries.



    What do you mean by "Do you have an example to the opposite?"



    You are not able to think of a single criticism that you have against the Chinese government? Surely there must be something they've done that you have not agreed with?



    Which country are you currently located in? (I myself am currently located in Australia)



    I ask this because you have mentioned that you believe western media to be biased (which I agree with) but I am curious as to where you are located where you believe the information that you are receiving is also not biased.



    I think you want a criticism that the Chinese government does not fully admit.  I can not think of any right out of my mind.

     

    I am in US.  Because of internet location should not be an issue except in several countries.  China does censor a lot of information.  This is annoying if I go to China.  But I can understand why it does so.  China is under a lot of criticism because of the one party system.  But Chinese government goal at present is growing GDP.  China although the second largest GDP in the world but its per capita GDP is actually below 80th place in the world. As I said yesterday majority of people want a good job.  But to grow GDP you need a stable and peaceful society.  And to maintain stable and peaceful and fair society is the single responsibility of all governments.  Toward this goal, I can understand why Chinese government is doing many things its being criticized for.  

  • Reply 38 of 75
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 1,980member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Joke or genuine unfamiliarity?




    What is your answer then? 

  • Reply 39 of 75
    cnocbui wrote: »

    You don't expect Apple to display the backbone and ethical fortitude of Google do you?  There's no 45% profit in that.

    Are we talking about the same Google?

    They couldn't compete in China because they're an advertising company. With the many restrictions and access to their information the Chinese government demanded, they'd have no business left.
  • Reply 40 of 75
    calicali Posts: 3,495member
    C'mon Apple.... you're adding Touch ID to all your mobile devices and you can't add it to iCloud?? It's the most secure method everywhere.

    P.S. just realized iCloud probably doesn't support Touch ID because it can be accessed from Macs and windows PC. But I'm sure adding it to iOS is a good first step.
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