Apple continues to dominate with massive 86% share of handset industry profits

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  • Reply 21 of 61
    Samsung will continue making smartphones even if they lose money on them. They'll do it because it's a matter of national pride, and because they can. They would lose face by caving to Apple.
  • Reply 22 of 61
    apple ][ wrote: »
    Clearly, the solution is for Android makers to price their phones even cheaper!

    That ought to generate more profit for them!:lol:

    Their bottom of the barrel strategy is not working out for them. They obviously need to race to the bottom even quicker than before!:D  

    canukstorm wrote: »
    What's the age old saying;

    They'll make it up in volume.  /s


    Pump Up The Volume Dance Dance :smokey:
  • Reply 23 of 61
    apple ][ wrote: »
    Clearly, the solution is for Android makers to price their phones even cheaper!

    That ought to generate more profit for them! :lol:

    Their bottom of the barrel strategy is not working out for them. They obviously need to race to the bottom even quicker than before! :D  

    Yep! It's tough to be an Android manufacturer in such a crowded market. And yet... the iPhone selling quite well.

    This reminds me of the Windows PC market in comparison to Macs.

    A dozen PC manufacturers all fighting with each other... all selling basically the same products... in a price war... driving margins down in a "race to the bottom"

    Look at all the corpses in the PC market... companies who are either completely gone... or who were sold to other struggling companies.

    Sony is the latest company to stop selling PCs... but I'm sure they won't be the last.

    Meanwhile... Apple is continuing to sell Macs... quite successfully.
  • Reply 24 of 61
    indyfx wrote: »

    Only of you include malware downloads in the google play figures...

    /s

    You wouldn't be able to tell the difference. /s
  • Reply 25 of 61

    Yeah, but Android has 83% world-wide smartphone market share and growing.  Now, that's what really matters to Wall Street.  Wall Street can't possibly believe that Android has a massive 83% market share and only a miniscule 13% profit share.  It doesn't compute.  Market success is supposed to be all about volume.  After all, aren't about 5 million Android devices activated by Google on a daily basis.  In five years there will be about three Android smartphones for every man, woman and child on the planet.  Google may even teach gorillas and chimps to use smartphones to boost sales.  They'll pay in bananas.

     

    Wall Street was salivating when it heard about Android One and $75 smartphones being sold to poverty-class BRIC consumers.  That's like a billion more humans holding onto an Android smartphone.  What could possibly be more impressive than that?  Imagine the growth.  Wall Street is always impressed with massive growth whether there's any profits or not to be had.  35%, 50%, 75% growth has investors dancing in the streets.  What will Apple's iPhone growth be?  2%, 5% tops?  Booooring.  Cross off that doomed company with a market cap of $700 billion.  The law of large numbers says it can only go down.  That's the punishment Apple gets for going after profits instead of market share.  A good lesson to be learned.

     

    /s

  • Reply 26 of 61
    bizzare wrote: »
    Awesome.... Only 14% left. ????
    That' what I call TERMONUCLEAR.
    SJ will be bouncing on his cloud.
  • Reply 27 of 61
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mubaili View Post





    Apple is still doomed. How much can Apple grow from a 86% profit share? I like better if Apple only command a 51% profit share.



    True.  For Wall Street stellar growth is more important than dull profits.  That's why they love start-up companies.  They can quadruple their growth in a few months even if they don't turn a profit.  But they tell themselves that company is going to be a profit-machine five years from now.  They'll really be making it big then, providing they're still around.  Right now, Apple is said to be peaked out.  Nothing left.  Absolutely nothing can move Apple's pegged "needle" higher.  It's OK if Android is at 83% world-wide market share because Wall Street believes there's still more growth to come from the poorest nations on the planet.  Big numbers work for Google and Android but not for Apple and iOS.  That's the convenience of being a Wall Street analyst.  They can pick and choose which company is the winner in the future by whatever metrics they choose to acknowledge.

  • Reply 28 of 61
    That' what I call TERMONUCLEAR.
    SJ will be bouncing on his cloud.

    The funny thing is... Apple didn't really do anything.

    The Android OEMs are all fighting with each other... driving prices down... hurting their own margins. It's a bloodbath.

    Meanwhile... Apple's smartphone prices are basically the same as they've been for years. It's Apple just being Apple.

    Like I said before with regards to Windows PC vs Macs... Apple didn't set out to destroy Windows OEMs... they kinda did it to themselves!
  • Reply 29 of 61
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bizzare View Post



    Awesome.... Only 14% left. ????

    Unless it wants a 103%....<img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

    (It's a historical reference, for the old-timers here).

     

     

    Add: "103%" pipped by numerous posters.

  • Reply 30 of 61
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    Originally Posted by 512ke View Post

     

    I have a solution for companies other than Apple: stop making phones.  They're not profitable for you.  Make something else.


    No.  Mark it off as the human competitive spirit.  They're eventually waiting for Apple to make a huge mistake and then the floodgates will open for them.  Most of the companies that got into the smartphone business truly believed if Apple could make huge profits with the iPhone, they could too.  After all, they're not paying Google for Android OS licensing, so that's a great start.  It's just unfortunate that 200 other companies had the same idea.  And besides, some company might just get lucky and build a smartphone better than Apple could ever possibly do.  Say a smartphone that releases must-have pheremones to users.  Miracles do happen every once in a blue moon.

     

    /s

  • Reply 31 of 61
    The funny thing is... Apple didn't really do anything.

    The Android OEMs are all fighting with each other... driving prices down... hurting their own margins. It's a bloodbath.

    Meanwhile... Apple's smartphone prices are basically the same as they've been for years. It's Apple just being Apple.

    Like I said before in regards to Windows PC vs Macs... Apple didn't set out to destroy Windows OEMs... they kinda did it to themselves!


    Actually, Apple's ASP is likely higher with the introduction of higher capacity storage at the same price points as previous models as well as the introduction of iPhone 6 Plus.
  • Reply 32 of 61
    Actually, Apple's ASP is likely higher with the introduction of higher capacity storage at the same price points as previous models as well as the introduction of iPhone 6 Plus.

    True... I was just saying that the current iPhone's starting price remains at $649

    You're right... Apple's iPhone ASP is usually somewhere between $650-700... and it will probably go higher.

    However... Android's ASP has fallen sharply in the past few years.

    That was the point I was trying to make.

    Android ASP was $441 in 2010.... but it dropped to $276 in 2013

    Yikes! :wow:
  • Reply 33 of 61

    ....and of course, AAPL's price's down for the day...

     

    That's Wall Street for you!

     

    Roberto

  • Reply 34 of 61
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 3,976member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Still, Apple and Samsung combined for more than 100 percent of the industry's total profits, because competitors such as Motorola and Microsoft actually lost share. 

    How the F is this even possible? More than 100% profit? 

  • Reply 35 of 61
    sog35 wrote: »
    not according to this clown at Forbes
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jaymcgregor/2014/11/03/nexus-9-review-matches-ipad-air-2-in-performance-slams-it-on-price/

    <h1>Nexus 9 Review: Matches iPad Air 2 In Performance, Slams It On Price</h1>


    What a total and utter lie.  Saying the Nexus matches the Air2 in performance.  Does not matter though.  People vote with their $$$.  I was almost tempted to comment in the article but refused knowing the author would get 10 cents from my comment.

    The reviewer indicated that he already owned the Nexus 7. I think he was inclined to review the Nexus 9 favorably because the 7 was the basis of his tablet experience, not the iPad Air.
  • Reply 36 of 61
    But, but, but . . . . everyone says that Samsung is stealing Apple's lunch money and that Apple is doomed! How can that be?
  • Reply 37 of 61
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 3,976member

    There's a pie divided into 100 pieces. 12 Apple guys already ate 86 pieces. There're only 14 pieces to be divided between 200 Android, Windows and BB guys. I can't stand laughing imaging how skinny these guys are.

  • Reply 38 of 61
    solipsismy wrote: »
    Yeah, but activations¡

    Seeing as you're new to AI ...
  • Reply 39 of 61
    No.  Mark it off as the human competitive spirit.  They're eventually waiting for Apple to make a huge mistake and then the floodgates will open for them.  Most of the companies that got into the smartphone business truly believed if Apple could make huge profits with the iPhone, they could too.  After all, they're not paying Google for Android OS licensing, so that's a great start.  It's just unfortunate that 200 other companies had the same idea.  And besides, some company might just get lucky and build a smartphone better than Apple could ever possibly do.  Say a smartphone that releases must-have pheremones to users.  Miracles do happen every once in a blue moon.

    /s

    Waiting for your competition to screw up is exactly Microsoft's default strategy. And it used to work.
  • Reply 40 of 61
    jason98jason98 Posts: 763member
    Apple should stop distributing dividends and use available money to buy back shares ideally buying out the whole company and take it private. I believe before they started dividends they had enough cash to cover about half of the capitalization. :)
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