Yes, I also agree with the analogy, but as I said earlier, it really depends on the nature of your business.
Another point:
Some professionals still run CS3 and produce artwork no one in my company is capable of creating. Their hour rate makes CC entirely irrelevant to their employers in comparison, so they technically could be using CC, it wouldn't change anything to their workflow. I know some people who use a Japanese paint program (PaintTool SAI) and only use PS to export work files to the Photoshop format.
The new Adobe model is an obvious money grab*, some businesses cannot avoid it, some can. If you can, should you? It depends on how much the new system brings you. If learning the new features as soon as possible is essential to your flow, the new system really brings you an added value, which means you profit from it. If you're the type who learns by big increments, maybe paying for a boxed set every four years and going on an Adobe Training Camp/Bootcamp for two weeks is your best bet, especially if you work for an employer that has those "life-long-training obligations" that exist in some countries/states.
*If the reaction of Wall Street did not prove this enough, a year-on-year comparison on the whole Suite would.
I'm boycotting and saying so. Whining fails, boycotts hurt the bottomline of companies.
Looks like all that boycotting is putting the squeeze on ADBE /s
(two year chart)
The only people I hear complaining about CC are the ones who have not signed up.
I got it day one and use it to make money. It is super easy to earn a year's subscription value in less than a week doing professional graphic arts, as I think most pros would agree. If you have an older version of CS and still getting by with it, good for you, but boycotting CC is only hurting yourself as the stock chart demonstrates.
Looks like all that boycotting is putting the squeeze on ADBE /s
I got it day one and use it to make money. It is super easy to earn a year's subscription value in less than a week doing professional graphic arts, as I think most pros would agree. If you have an older version of CS and still getting by with it, good for you, but boycotting CC is only hurting yourself as the stock chart demonstrates.
Adobe would not be offering yearlong "rebates" if they had no issues convincing people, y'know.
I have to admit I'm in a quandary on what to do. After the announcement I decided to try LR. I know how difficult change is for people, and that many times after the trauma of being forced to make a change they find out its really not that bad. With that in mind, I purchased two LR licenses, and installed it on both my wife's computer and mine. Since we collaborate extensively by sending projects back and forth as libraries, and both of use need to be on the same software. For three months we used LR, keeping Aperture up to date as a fall back. I even purchased a Lynda.com subscription to help with the learning curve. After three months we thew in the towel. We found it just a PITA to use, the workflow, the UI is just terrible, no other way to describe it. Now we are back to using Aperture, and will continue until it no longer works for us. Hopefully the new Photo's app will be satisfactory after a few updates.
There is an incorrect statement in this article: "A total of 24 new cameras have been added to ACR's list of supported RAW file formats, including the iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, Canon EOS 7D Mark II, Nikon D750, and Sony ILCE-5100." As far as I know the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6 plus (I own) cannot produce RAW format photo files, only the compressed JPEG format.
There is an incorrect statement in this article:
"A total of 24 new cameras have been added to ACR's list of supported RAW file formats, including the iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, Canon EOS 7D Mark II, Nikon D750, and Sony ILCE-5100."
As far as I know the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6 plus (I own) cannot produce RAW format photo files, only the compressed JPEG format.
Appleinsider should come up with a correction related to Adobe's added support of RAW file formats.
While you are correct, I have read a few articles by people claiming to have found a way to get the native data from iPhones. I am surprised, especially with the HDR ability there isn't an app for that!
As I mentioned I checked Adobe's website and the iPhone 6 and 6 plus are definitely not on the list of supported cameras.
Even if some people would be able to get the digital negative format of photos taken with iPhone (I will have to search the net to find it out), it is still academic, since ACR would not be able to process it.
It comes without saying, that all cameras, iPhone 6 included create a digital negative format inside the camera.
I'm almost sure, that the native format is used by the iPhone 6 to create HDR internally (to preserve quality), then it is automatically compressed to JPEG format.
Other, non Adobe RAW file editors may be able to work with that format.
Nothing would be wrong with the subscription model if it were one of two choices. The inability to own my software (and pay for an upgrade when I value one, but not otherwise) offends me as coercive. I suppose partially because I have been studiously/ethically paying for the upgrades (when I valued them) for almost twenty years now. Oh that wasn't good enough?
That said, I'm not an Adobe hater. And I think anyone who complains about the Photoshop interface (rather than a few discrete aspects of it) has no credibility on the topic of interface. The single letter shortcuts alone loft it up into the highest tiers of interface design and effectiveness.
That said, I'd rather bathe in fleas than struggle with Lightroom's twisted misfit of an interface. Especially when Aperture, though unfortunately dated, has been so brilliant in so many ways. Aperture flows along with my mind, my own idiosyncratic twists and turns, and my sense of play/spontaneity, whereas Lightroom just creates a sense of miserable work and constant frustration.
I really hope Apple's Photos app will eventually save me from a fate worse than bathing in fleas. I am patiently waiting to see.
Some professionals still run CS3 and produce artwork no one in my company is capable of creating. Their hour rate makes CC entirely irrelevant to their employers in comparison, so they technically could be using CC, it wouldn't change anything to their workflow. I know some people who use a Japanese paint program (PaintTool SAI) and only use PS to export work files to the Photoshop format.
Because professionals are very conservative when it comes to upgrading applications or OS versions or hardware on otherwise productive machines.
This always-the-latest-and-greatest-version subscription concept is great for Adobe and possibly some enthusiasts (see above), but pros don't want to waste days fixing problems when an update breaks an application they depend on to make money.
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There is an incorrect statement in this article:
"A total of 24 new cameras have been added to ACR's list of supported RAW file formats, including the iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, Canon EOS 7D Mark II, Nikon D750, and Sony ILCE-5100."
As far as I know the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6 plus (I own) cannot produce RAW format photo files, only the compressed JPEG format.
IIRC, what's new are specific lens distortion corrections for the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus cameras.
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Agreed!
Yes, I also agree with the analogy, but as I said earlier, it really depends on the nature of your business.
Another point:
Some professionals still run CS3 and produce artwork no one in my company is capable of creating. Their hour rate makes CC entirely irrelevant to their employers in comparison, so they technically could be using CC, it wouldn't change anything to their workflow. I know some people who use a Japanese paint program (PaintTool SAI) and only use PS to export work files to the Photoshop format.
The new Adobe model is an obvious money grab*, some businesses cannot avoid it, some can. If you can, should you? It depends on how much the new system brings you. If learning the new features as soon as possible is essential to your flow, the new system really brings you an added value, which means you profit from it. If you're the type who learns by big increments, maybe paying for a boxed set every four years and going on an Adobe Training Camp/Bootcamp for two weeks is your best bet, especially if you work for an employer that has those "life-long-training obligations" that exist in some countries/states.
*If the reaction of Wall Street did not prove this enough, a year-on-year comparison on the whole Suite would.
What I like:
* Top-quality image editing effects (e.g., noise reduction)
* Brushes (despite my initial dislike for them)
* Lightroom mobile!!!
What I dislike:
* Interface
* Lack of GPU support (WTF, Adobe)
* Interface
* Interface
Yep, the interface is still one of the weakest parts of LR.
I'm boycotting and saying so. Whining fails, boycotts hurt the bottomline of companies.
Looks like all that boycotting is putting the squeeze on ADBE /s
(two year chart)
The only people I hear complaining about CC are the ones who have not signed up.
I got it day one and use it to make money. It is super easy to earn a year's subscription value in less than a week doing professional graphic arts, as I think most pros would agree. If you have an older version of CS and still getting by with it, good for you, but boycotting CC is only hurting yourself as the stock chart demonstrates.
...boycotting CC is only hurting yourself as the stock chart demonstrates.
I can’t imagine that being the case or the stock price having anything to do with it.
Looks like all that boycotting is putting the squeeze on ADBE /s
I got it day one and use it to make money. It is super easy to earn a year's subscription value in less than a week doing professional graphic arts, as I think most pros would agree. If you have an older version of CS and still getting by with it, good for you, but boycotting CC is only hurting yourself as the stock chart demonstrates.
Adobe would not be offering yearlong "rebates" if they had no issues convincing people, y'know.
I have to admit I'm in a quandary on what to do. After the announcement I decided to try LR. I know how difficult change is for people, and that many times after the trauma of being forced to make a change they find out its really not that bad. With that in mind, I purchased two LR licenses, and installed it on both my wife's computer and mine. Since we collaborate extensively by sending projects back and forth as libraries, and both of use need to be on the same software. For three months we used LR, keeping Aperture up to date as a fall back. I even purchased a Lynda.com subscription to help with the learning curve. After three months we thew in the towel. We found it just a PITA to use, the workflow, the UI is just terrible, no other way to describe it. Now we are back to using Aperture, and will continue until it no longer works for us. Hopefully the new Photo's app will be satisfactory after a few updates.
Mike
Thanks for commenting on LR; I really like to read more responses like yours, in order to get a better picture.
"A total of 24 new cameras have been added to ACR's list of supported RAW file formats, including the iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, Canon EOS 7D Mark II, Nikon D750, and Sony ILCE-5100."
As far as I know the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6 plus (I own) cannot produce RAW format photo files, only the compressed JPEG format.
There cannot be, and there is no iPhone 6 or 6 plus on the list of supported cameras on Adobe's website: https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/camera-raw.html#supported_cameras
Appleinsider should come up with a correction related to Adobe's added support of RAW file formats.
While you are correct, I have read a few articles by people claiming to have found a way to get the native data from iPhones. I am surprised, especially with the HDR ability there isn't an app for that!
As I mentioned I checked Adobe's website and the iPhone 6 and 6 plus are definitely not on the list of supported cameras.
Even if some people would be able to get the digital negative format of photos taken with iPhone (I will have to search the net to find it out), it is still academic, since ACR would not be able to process it.
It comes without saying, that all cameras, iPhone 6 included create a digital negative format inside the camera.
I'm almost sure, that the native format is used by the iPhone 6 to create HDR internally (to preserve quality), then it is automatically compressed to JPEG format.
Other, non Adobe RAW file editors may be able to work with that format.
That said, I'm not an Adobe hater. And I think anyone who complains about the Photoshop interface (rather than a few discrete aspects of it) has no credibility on the topic of interface. The single letter shortcuts alone loft it up into the highest tiers of interface design and effectiveness.
That said, I'd rather bathe in fleas than struggle with Lightroom's twisted misfit of an interface. Especially when Aperture, though unfortunately dated, has been so brilliant in so many ways. Aperture flows along with my mind, my own idiosyncratic twists and turns, and my sense of play/spontaneity, whereas Lightroom just creates a sense of miserable work and constant frustration.
I really hope Apple's Photos app will eventually save me from a fate worse than bathing in fleas. I am patiently waiting to see.
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Another point:
Some professionals still run CS3 and produce artwork no one in my company is capable of creating. Their hour rate makes CC entirely irrelevant to their employers in comparison, so they technically could be using CC, it wouldn't change anything to their workflow. I know some people who use a Japanese paint program (PaintTool SAI) and only use PS to export work files to the Photoshop format.
Because professionals are very conservative when it comes to upgrading applications or OS versions or hardware on otherwise productive machines.
This always-the-latest-and-greatest-version subscription concept is great for Adobe and possibly some enthusiasts (see above), but pros don't want to waste days fixing problems when an update breaks an application they depend on to make money.
There is an incorrect statement in this article:
"A total of 24 new cameras have been added to ACR's list of supported RAW file formats, including the iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, Canon EOS 7D Mark II, Nikon D750, and Sony ILCE-5100."
As far as I know the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6 plus (I own) cannot produce RAW format photo files, only the compressed JPEG format.
IIRC, what's new are specific lens distortion corrections for the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus cameras.