Lack of centralized cloud infrastructure team hampering Apple's development of iCloud services - rep

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  • Reply 21 of 67
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,292member
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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post





    This isn't coming from a tabloid like Business Insider. Jessica Lessin is a respected journalist. I doubt tabloid "hose-shit" would be behind a paywall.



    Just like all the other experts at her former place of business, the WSJ? The Information is staffed with mainly WSJ expatriates and just banded together a year ago. Nobody else on the staff page lists anything related to Apple on the page, https://www.theinformation.com/about. If a writer is going to have any credibility, they can't use the words "said to have had problems" or "One person close to the company says" (who? give their name or don't even say it). There needs to be truth in reporting instead on pure conjecture, but I guess this is the only way some people make any money. Must be nice to never have to justify what you say by providing an actual person's name for each citation. If the person blabbing, if they actually did, isn't willing to get in trouble at Apple for speaking about Apple without permission, then they should just keep their mouth shut. There's no such thing as freedom of speech when discussing the company you work for. Freedom of speech only goes so far before it becomes slander (when talking about the company to a reporter) and libel (when the reporter actually prints it).

  • Reply 22 of 67

    You've got to change with the times.

    Not so long ago, Apple's start-up ethos was still an asset, particularly for such a successful company. Now, the time has come to make the change to a business-friendly company, which means a focus on scale.

    A time to live, and a time to die.

    Thanks for taking the time to give apple some advice. So, Apple should be more business friendly? Crazy interesting advice. :)
  • Reply 23 of 67
    If you think Apple is getting sloppier because they don't release all these software updates on day 1, be glad you're not in the fandroid camp.
  • Reply 24 of 67
    rogifan wrote: »
    This isn't coming from a tabloid like Business Insider.

    Oh snap! (That's OK, BI had it coming)
  • Reply 25 of 67

    Apple doesn't even have their own infrastructure. iCloud Drive runs on Amazon S3. Upload something and check netstat. They don't even make an attempt to hide it.

  • Reply 26 of 67
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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    Cook needs to hire someone to run their cloud services. I think Eddy is plenty busy with iTunes, AppStore ?Pay and ?TV.

    We don't normally agree a lot, but on this one, you're spot on. Apple needs to hire someone and give him/her the authority to step back a bit, figure out the big picture of what it wants to do with the Cloud over the long haul, and go about implementing it.

     

    Right now, iCloud is just a mediocre product, with far too many drip-drip-drip changes...... almost an afterthought.

     

    I've long ago moved on to using other solutions

  • Reply 27 of 67
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    rob53 wrote: »

    Just like all the other experts at her former place of business, the WSJ? The Information is staffed with mainly WSJ expatriates and just banded together a year ago. Nobody else on the staff page lists anything related to Apple on the page, https://www.theinformation.com/about. If a writer is going to have any credibility, they can't use the words "said to have had problems" or "One person close to the company says" (who? give their name or don't even say it). There needs to be truth in reporting instead on pure conjecture, but I guess this is the only way some people make any money. Must be nice to never have to justify what you say by providing an actual person's name for each citation. If the person blabbing, if they actually did, isn't willing to get in trouble at Apple for speaking about Apple without permission, then they should just keep their mouth shut. There's no such thing as freedom of speech when discussing the company you work for. Freedom of speech only goes so far before it becomes slander (when talking about the company to a reporter) and libel (when the reporter actually prints it).

    Do I know If this report is 100% or even 25% accurate? Of course not. But I'm not going to dismiss it just because she's not naming names. Wonder boy Mark Gurman doesn't always names names either and plenty of his rumors have been accurate.
  • Reply 28 of 67
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    We don't normally agree a lot, but on this one, you're spot on. Apple needs to hire someone and give him/her the authority to step back a bit, figure out the big picture of what it wants to do with the Cloud over the long haul, and go about implementing it.

    Right now, iCloud is just a mediocre product, with far too many drip-drip-drip changes...... almost an afterthought.

    I've long ago moved on to using other solutions

    Yep. Apple needs someone experienced in cloud services. So poach someone from Amazon, Microsoft, Google or Dropbox and have them run cloud services.
  • Reply 29 of 67
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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post





    Yep. Apple needs someone experienced in cloud services. So poach someone from Amazon, Microsoft, Google or Dropbox and have them run cloud services.

    Remember Bertrand Serlet, who is now heading up a start-up focused on cloud infrastructure? From what I read, some former Apple employees are also working there. Why not knock on his door and see if there's chance of a potential acquisition? Guy was a smart dude.

     

    https://www.upthere.com/

  • Reply 30 of 67
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    canukstorm wrote: »
    Remember Bertrand Serlet, who is now heading up a start-up focused on cloud infrastructure? From what I read, some former Apple employees are also working there. Why not knock on his door and see if there's chance of a potential acquisition? Guy was a smart dude.

    https://www.upthere.com/

    Hmm...interesting idea.
  • Reply 31 of 67
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    Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post





    You've got to change with the times.



    Not so long ago, Apple's start-up ethos was still an asset, particularly for such a successful company. Now, the time has come to make the change to a business-friendly company, which means a focus on scale.



    A time to live, and a time to die.




    Thanks for taking the time to give apple some advice. So, Apple should be more business friendly? Crazy interesting advice. image

     

     

    I like to be helpful to the Apple top brass when they fastidiously come here to look for my pearls of wisdom.

  • Reply 32 of 67

    Currently, I'm paying $10 p/mo. for Dropbox, but there is little other than synching-which it does very well for me. However, lately I have been considering moving everything to iCloud but I just isn't there yet. (I'm also on the 200GB iCloud Drive plan in hopes of switching everything over to that.)

     

    A bit off topic and heretical, but does anyone have any experience with Office 365? I could get 1TB of storage and access to the Office suite for $10 p/mo., right? Having office would make my life a whole lot easier and I'd get a ton of storage with it.

     

    I'm looking for a single file synching/cloud storage solution, but it seems each option has its own limitations.

  • Reply 33 of 67

    "You've got to change with the times."

    "Now, the time has come to make the change to a business-friendly company."

    "A time to live, and a time to die."

     

    I swear if I wasn't certain my old maid aunt hadn't died (tho I did see her in her coffin, so I'm sure she is gone) I would think this cliche ridden response came from her lips to my ears. She spouted this nonsense til the day she retired as a librarian.

     

    Some comments on AI are really worth taking time to read and digest. Then at times, it's like an online version of my Pop's favorite show, Cheers, where the same gang meets at the same bar and rant about whatever they want, then go home. I really do appreciate and often learn from substantiated comments, and this site has some, but please, chill on the comments most of our Granpas even thought were overdone and mainly clutter.

  • Reply 34 of 67
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    It’s clear that there has been nothing other than mundane iteration for some years, 


     

    hmm you must be new to apple. welcome. in time, you'll learn that "innovation through iteration" is a thing, and something apple does really, really well. when you have time, do some googling on retina displays, the retina macbook, the new pro, and of course, the new iPhones and iPads. you'll soon come to realize that these devices don't iterative themselves into amazingly smaller and smaller yet faster and faster devices all by themselves via magic-fairy-steve-jobs-dandruff-dust, but thru actual hard work and innovation. 

  • Reply 35 of 67
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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post





    But the software and services need work. IMO iOS 8 is one of the buggiest releases in a long time. I used the music app for the first time in a long time and I was shocked at how bad it was. Apple really needs to focus on software quality. I'm sure some will call me out as a troll for saying this but I don't care. I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way.



    Music works fine for us. and I've never seen any MacRumors headlines with screaming haters complaining about iOS 8 Music problems.

  • Reply 36 of 67
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    Originally Posted by CanukStorm View Post

     

    Apple is organized to excel at hardware, OS, even pro apps but its culture is not organized to excel at cloud infrastructure / cloud services which is the new competitive battle ground.  It needs to get cloud services right & to do that it needs to re-orient its culture.  




    hmm, so what do you call the billions of daily iMessages, iTunes music & media sales, and streaming movie rentals, if not cloud services? schmoud services?

  • Reply 37 of 67
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    Apple doesn't even have their own infrastructure. iCloud Drive runs on Amazon S3. Upload something and check netstat. They don't even make an attempt to hide it.




    they do have their own infrastructure -- their CDNs. its how they serve all the music, movies and tv.

     

    using S3 for something doesnt somehow mean nothing is their own. 

  • Reply 38 of 67
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    they do have their own infrastructure -- their CDNs. its how they serve all the music, movies and tv.

     

    using S3 for something doesnt somehow mean nothing is their own. 




    And their CDN is awful. 10.10.1 update barely got 250 KB/sec. Wasn't the connection either, had pings of <5 ms.

  • Reply 39 of 67
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    And their CDN is awful. 10.10.1 update barely got 250 KB/sec. Wasn't the connection either, had pings of <5 ms.




    i stream itunes content (mostly movies, tv, and music) nightly on my apple tv for years, never had a problem.

  • Reply 40 of 67
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    i stream itunes content (mostly movies, tv, and music) nightly on my apple tv for years, never had a problem.




    That's the problem. Song: 10 MB downloads over 3 minutes playtime (3.3 MB/min). TV: 800 MB over 30 minutes (26 MB/min). Reasonable. 800 MB patch or app, 30 minutes to download? 30 MB presentation, 2 minutes to open from iCloud? Single 5 MB photo, 15 seconds? No thanks. You want each of those to open in seconds. Streaming video and music is much easier than things that can't be progressively downloaded.

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