Google Chromebooks overtake Apple iPads in education sales for first time, report says

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  • Reply 81 of 108
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    shsf wrote: »
    Aside from privacy, junk software, junk os, no 3rd party apps, pretty shitty hardware and built quality what's the horizon of use for these pieces of crap?

    I got my MEng in 2011 still using a powerbook g4 12" and only replaced it with a 11" air a couple of months AFTER.  A great little device that had already been used for upwards of 4 years by another fella before I bought it and about 6 years by myself... My mom's still using her gen 1 iPad, and proud to say week 4 of production or something, 6 years on, and I really had to convince her to get the new one so she can send stuff to her TV.

    The first netbook I bought as a gift for my sister, who still uses a 2006 iMac flying on SL and a new SSD, has been gathering dust after 6 months of sluggish as hell use. I tried finding some use for it, but to replace the crap ssd you need more than to fix my g4, and I remembered Steve, again, how you simply can't type on these pieces of shit unless you you sandpaper your fingers. 

    Good luck to anyone with a chromebook...

    You really do not know what your talking about and defiantly haven't used a ChromeBook. First, not all Chromebooks are junk, in fact it would be pretty hard press to actually find one that is. The HP 11's and 14's for example are absolute tanks and can easily withstand the abuse of any child, including liquid spills. Third party apps, what do you think the 1,000's of web apps are and Chrome OS is starting to integrate Android apps into the system, by mid 2015 almost the entire Google Play Store will be opened up to Chrome OS. With the ability regulate which apps can be installed onto the system by the teacher. You can actually install whatever you want now in the development build. ChromeBooks can easily handle any tasks with zero lag, boot times are also under 10 seconds, I wouldn't call that slow. It's fine that your biased against things you don't understand but keep it to yourself, unless you have first hand knowledge as to what your saying actually has any merit. By the way my family and I are doing just fine with our ChromeBooks and ChromeBooks, thanks but we don't need any luck. Chrome OS is actually a really decent system, that is if you could look passed your hatred and actually try one out. In fact there hasn't been a single person that I've showed my ChromeBook or ChromeBox to that didn't eventually buy one themselves, especially the ChromeBox for their TV.
  • Reply 82 of 108
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
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  • Reply 83 of 108
    Chromebooks are fine for what they do. I've been an Apple/Mac user since the mid 80's. However when I needed a light weight laptop to go online I purchased a Chromebook for $200 instead of a Mac air for $1000. While it will never replace my MacBook Pro it does the job I need it did just fine at a fraction of the price. I can week see how schools and the students will benefit from these.
  • Reply 84 of 108
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pfisher View Post

     

    I like the Chromebook updates. Hardly noticeable. OS X updates are a bit wearing. And OS X is getting more sluggish on older equipment.

     

    As someone said, Chromebook OS just works. Cloud integration is great.

     

    Another nice thing: plug in a hard drive and it is read without installing drivers (like Windows) or plug in a mouse and it just works. Printing can be an issue for some as you need a Cloud Print capable printer or have a PC or Mac tied to printer, but that's fine. You have a solution and many of us don't print anymore.

     

    You can even plug in your iPhone to a Chromebook and your photos will synch.

     

    It just works. And even Photoshop is coming to Chromebook as a web-app.

     

    Some of us don't care for non-cloud based apps and avoid them if we can.


     

    Plug in a USB Modem and...

     

    ...it doesn't work.

  • Reply 85 of 108
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Relic View Post





    You really do not know what your talking about and defiantly haven't used a ChromeBook. First, not all Chromebooks are junk, in fact it would be pretty hard press to actually find one that is. The HP 11's and 14's for example are absolute tanks and can easily withstand the abuse of any child, including liquid spills. Third party apps, what do you think the 1,000's of web apps are and Chrome OS is starting to integrate Android apps into the system, by mid 2015 almost the entire Google Play Store will be opened up to Chrome OS. With the ability regulate which apps can be installed onto the system by the teacher. You can actually install whatever you want now in the development build. ChromeBooks can easily handle any tasks with zero lag, boot times are also under 10 seconds, I wouldn't call that slow. It's fine that your biased against things you don't understand but keep it to yourself, unless you have first hand knowledge as to what your saying actually has any merit. By the way my family and I are doing just fine with our ChromeBooks and ChromeBooks, thanks but we don't need any luck. Chrome OS is actually a really decent system, that is if you could look passed your hatred and actually try one out. In fact there hasn't been a single person that I've showed my ChromeBook or ChromeBox to that didn't eventually buy one themselves, especially the ChromeBox for their TV.



    I used a HP one, the cheap trackpad and keyboard were just nasty.

     

    Filling out web forms was an absolutely painful experience.

  • Reply 86 of 108

    The level of blind hatred for Google here is mind blowing.

     

     

    God forbid Apple lose out on something, it can't possibly be because there is a better solution for the situation at hand. It's because someone paid off someone. Or there's a secret dark agenda. Or, you sitting on your fat ass picking lint out of your belly button while surfing porn on your iPad are vastly more knowledgeable about the situation at hand. 

     

    It really is sad. Like legitimately sad to think that people like you guys exist.

  • Reply 87 of 108
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    hill60 wrote: »

    I used a HP one, the cheap trackpad and keyboard were just nasty.

    Filling out web forms was an absolutely painful experience.

    A little exaggeration, your also talking about the first incarnation from HP, they fixed the tracked with G2, their now on G3. You guys use one device and assume the rest are garbage. My daughter has a G2 14 and it works very well, I'm personally getting the G3 14, with the Nvidia K1, 4GB and 1080p display.
  • Reply 88 of 108
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    hill60 wrote: »
    Plug in a USB Modem and...

    ...it doesn't work.

    Who the heck still uses dial up and yes it actually does if you install the binaries for the drivers. It's just Linux, if the driver exists in Linux it will most likely work in Chrome OS. If your talking about a USB 3G/4G dongle, Chrome OS most defiantly supports them out of the box, not all of the but most, for those that are not supported, again if the driver exists for Linux you could always install it manually, takes like 5 minutes. Instead I've trying to convince everyone as to just how useless the Chromebook is why don't you actually try reading what people are doing with them on the development boards to see what exactly is possible and not. I'm not saying their the perfect machine, far from it but their also not garbage and are actually a whole lot of fun to hack. You can even install a fully working Linux distro under a chroot to have access to that world as well. No it's not hard or just for developers either, you literally type a few lines in a terminal and the installation is completely automatic. You can then switch between the two environments using hot keys, very cool. I just don't get why some people here refuse to see the good in things that don't have an Apple insignia on it.
  • Reply 89 of 108
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    relic wrote: »
    Who the heck still uses dial up and yes it actually does if you install the binaries for the drivers. It's just Linux, if the driver exists in Linux it will most likely work in Chrome OS. If your talking about a USB 3G/4G dongle, Chrome OS most defiantly supports them out of the box, not all of the but most, for those that are not supported, again if the driver exists for Linux you could always install it manually, takes like 5 minutes. Instead I've trying to convince everyone as to just how useless the Chromebook is why don't you actually try reading what people are doing with them on the development boards to see what exactly is possible and not. I'm not saying their the perfect machine, far from it but their also not garbage and are actually a whole lot of fun to hack. You can even install a fully working Linux distro under a chroot to have access to that world as well. No it's not hard or just for developers either, you literally type a few lines in a terminal and the installation is completely automatic.
    It would be nicer if the chroot wasn't required. This is the problem with a machine that sort of runs LINUX via Chrome, it is sorta like the locked down IOS environment, but who wants a locked down LINUX environment? I'd rather have a machine that I can cleanly install the LINUX version of my choice.
    You can then switch between the two environments using hot keys, very cool. I just don't get why some people here refuse to see the good in things that don't have an Apple insignia on it.

    The fact that it is AppleInsider might have something to do with it. The problem compounds when you have a bunch of 13 year olds in the forum.
  • Reply 90 of 108
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,674member
    pfisher wrote: »
    You can even plug in your iPhone to a Chromebook and your photos will synch.

    It just works. And even Photoshop is coming to Chromebook as a web-app.

    Some of us don't care for non-cloud based apps and avoid them if we can.

    Of course photos will sync; an iPhone simply gives read permission to the DCIM folder.

    What I would like to know is if it's possible to load up iTunes on my iPhone from a Chromebook. Or does Apple still battle any company that has their HW/SW do the Palm Presumptuous iPod Thing?
  • Reply 91 of 108
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,500member
    philboogie wrote: »
    Of course photos will sync; an iPhone simply gives read permission to the DCIM folder.

    What I would like to know is if it's possible to load up iTunes on my iPhone from a Chromebook. Or does Apple still battle any company that has their HW/SW do the Palm Presumptuous iPod Thing?

    This is related to the LA Education post as well ... On this whole Apple in education thing ... History seems to be repeating itself. I can see why too ... Apple maintain the high end. Educational needs cheap volume. Apple don't do cheap. People go to school and use something and tend to favor that same thing in many cases when they grow older. Microsoft realized this back in the day and now Google do too. Apple are again facing a potential mental shift from the next generation without low end Apple products that they will never make. Perhaps Apple need to learn from this, not that I know the solution, a dumbed down Apple product doesn't seem the answer. The only one I can see is very special pricing for education on good Apple gear and I mean VERY SPECIAL. Other than that I am at a loss to come up with a solution that is legal.
  • Reply 92 of 108
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    wizard69 wrote: »
    It would be nicer if the chroot wasn't required. This is the problem with a machine that sort of runs LINUX via Chrome, it is sorta like the locked down IOS environment, but who wants a locked down LINUX environment? I'd rather have a machine that I can cleanly install the LINUX version of my choice.

    You can completely install Linux on a ChromeBook, dual boot, the works. There are even custom BIOS in which to enhance this experince. Personally I prefer the Chroot, I'm not really sure what you mean by restrictive though, you have complete access to the hardware layer and there isn't anything you can't run in it. As far as I'm concerned, if it looks like a dog, barks like a dog, it's a dog.
  • Reply 93 of 108
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Relic View Post





    Who the heck still uses dial up and yes it actually does if you install the binaries for the drivers. It's just Linux, if the driver exists in Linux it will most likely work in Chrome OS. If your talking about a USB 3G/4G dongle, Chrome OS most defiantly supports them out of the box, not all of the but most, for those that are not supported, again if the driver exists for Linux you could always install it manually, takes like 5 minutes. Instead I've trying to convince everyone as to just how useless the Chromebook is why don't you actually try reading what people are doing with them on the development boards to see what exactly is possible and not. I'm not saying their the perfect machine, far from it but their also not garbage and are actually a whole lot of fun to hack. You can even install a fully working Linux distro under a chroot to have access to that world as well. No it's not hard or just for developers either, you literally type a few lines in a terminal and the installation is completely automatic. You can then switch between the two environments using hot keys, very cool. I just don't get why some people here refuse to see the good in things that don't have an Apple insignia on it.



    I was talking about the 4G USB modem we had to refund because someone sold it to a chromebook owner, so how do you install the drivers without an Internet connection*?

     

    *The reason for buying the stick.

  • Reply 94 of 108
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Relic View Post





    You can completely install Linux on a ChromeBook, dual boot, the works. There are even custom BIOS in which to enhance this experince. Personally I prefer the Chroot, I'm not really sure what you mean by restrictive though, you have complete access to the hardware layer and there isn't anything you can't run in it. As far as I'm concerned, if it looks like a dog, barks like a dog, it's a dog.



    So in other words, insecure and unsuitable for school use due to the apparent simplicity of breaking out of the standard set up.

  • Reply 95 of 108
    captain j wrote: »
    Writing is one of the most vital skills our kids need to learn so yes typing and papers are crucial. I'm not taking about solving problems with prose.

    Also there are sadly very few text books on the iPad. I wish there were but alas they are still hard books for the vast majority.

    Every textbook has a PDF version. They run seamlessly on an iPad.
  • Reply 96 of 108
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Relic View Post





    A little exaggeration, your also talking about the first incarnation from HP, they fixed the tracked with G2, their now on G3. You guys use one device and assume the rest are garbage. My daughter has a G2 14 and it works very well, I'm personally getting the G3 14, with the Nvidia K1, 4GB and 1080p display.



    Hey a Kia Rio is as good as a Mercedes SLK55 says the Kia owner.

     

    No it's not, it's crap.

  • Reply 97 of 108

    This was an interesting read. Thank you for sharing! Just describing your experience with the ipad was giving me a headache.



     

  • Reply 98 of 108
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    hill60 wrote: »

    I was talking about the 4G USB modem we had to refund because someone sold it to a chromebook owner, so how do you install the drivers without an Internet connection*?

    *The reason for buying the stick.

    USB stick, copy from one computer to the other, ChromeBooks also have an Ethernet and a Wifi, you could also use the hotspot funtion on your phone but you of course know all of this and are just being silly. In the future, suggest the Huawei E3131, Huawei E367, ZTE MF823 or the FreedomPOP to your customers, they work out of the box. Still the best option though is to just spring for the 3G/4G enabled Chromebook in the beginning, their only 50 to 80 more, a no brainer actually. The G2 HP 14", 4GB, LTE is now going for $275 on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/HP-14-q070nr-14-Inch-Chromebook-T-Mobile/dp/B00FGOTBQO Surfing around I found a really good deal on the Toshiba ChromeBook 13", 4GB, 1080P Display for 300, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/toshiba-13-3-chromebook-2-intel-celeron-4gb-memory-16gb-solid-state-drive-satin-gold/8790147.p?id=1219370473818&skuId=8790147 though this is a none 4G version, still a good price do to the 1080P display, plus the Toshiba is one of the nicer models.
  • Reply 99 of 108
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    hill60 wrote: »

    Hey a Kia Rio is as good as a Mercedes SLK55 says the Kia owner.

    No it's not, it's crap.

    I can't stand car analogies but I'll bite, what exactly does having a more expensive car have to do with anything when the outcome is exactly the same, the Rio will still get you from point A to point B. Having a 5.5 liter V8 might sound appealing but the majority of people have no idea what to do with all of that power or can even afford it, it's a luxury product, status symbol. Most of us just need to get to our destination. A ChromeBook will most defiantly provide a person with the means to get people to where they need to go, easily, cheaply and reliably, in the end that's what the majority need. Those who want that powerful V8 and status symbol of course still have that option but that does not necessarily mean the person who opted for the Rio did anything wrong. It's just a no B.S. solution for those who aren't looking for all of the bells and whistles or costs associated with such a purchase, they just need to get to work. Again, I'm not really sure why your crusading against the ChromeBook there is absolutely nothing wrong with someone using one, especially if the persons output is identical to that of a machine 4 times it's value.
  • Reply 100 of 108
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    relic wrote: »
    I can't stand car analogies but I'll bite, what exactly does having a more expensive car have to do with anything when the outcome is exactly the same, the Rio will still get you from point A to point B. Having a 5.5 liter V8 might sound appealing but the majority of people have no idea what to do with all of that power or can even afford it, it's a luxury product, status symbol. Most of us just need to get to our destination. A ChromeBook will most defiantly provide a person with the means to get people to where they need to go, easily, cheaply and reliably, in the end that's what the majority need. Those who want that powerful V8 and status symbol of course still have that option but that does not necessarily mean the person who opted for the Rio did anything wrong. It's just a no B.S. solution for those who aren't looking for all of the bells and whistles or costs associated with such a purchase, they just need to get to work. Again, I'm not really sure why your crusading against the ChromeBook there is absolutely nothing wrong with someone using one, especially if the persons output is identical to that of a machine 4 times it's value.

    One gets mo' betta hotties with an SLK :lol:
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