Mark Zuckerberg calls Apple CEO Tim Cook's view on ad-supported business 'ridiculous'

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  • Reply 41 of 102
    joshajosha Posts: 901member
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

     



    He's a very intelligent dumb-ass.


    IMO he is the most selfish lying person in the net business.  :rolleyes:  :no: :devil:

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  • Reply 42 of 102
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    IMO he is the most selfish lying person in the net business.  :rolleyes:  :no::devil:




    Maybe I should've said "crafty" instead of "intelligent".

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  • Reply 43 of 102
    boredumbboredumb Posts: 1,418member
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    Originally Posted by bloggerblog View Post



    If Facebook was in alignment with its customers they would've had a dislike button by now.

    It helps to define terms -

    I think it's always fair to say a company is perfectly

    "in alignment"

    with those people it's successfully exploiting.

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  • Reply 44 of 102
    I'm pretty sure advertisers on iTunes Radio know where you live, what apps, movies, books and music you downloaded in addition to what devices you own. I don't believe any advertiser on Facebook or iTunes Radio can pinpoint a specific user's interests unless they are a friend of this person.

    This message is a public information service announcement.
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  • Reply 45 of 102
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,928member
    Hey Mark, don't worry about Cook and Apple. Fix your damn wall. Why am I seeing posts from Wednesday and Tuesday for the first time today?!
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  • Reply 46 of 102
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member

    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    "A frustration I have is that a lot of people increasingly seem to equate an advertising business model with somehow being out of alignment with your customers," Zuckerberg told Time

     

    How's this for being out of alignment with your customers?

     

    Quote:

    Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard



    Zuck: Just ask. 



    Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS



    [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?



    Zuck: People just submitted it. 



    Zuck: I don't know why. 



    Zuck: They "trust me" 



    Zuck: Dumb f***s.


     

    Facebooks' and Google's business is based on suckering people into handing over their personal data.  By giving away free services as bait.  Dumb f***s indeed.

     

    Source: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Facebook-Mark-Zuckerberg-Social-Networking-privacy-security,news-6794.html

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  • Reply 47 of 102
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,729member

    There is nothing wrong with an advertising based business per se. Television broadcasting comes to mind (at least partially funded by advertising). Like Facebook television broadcasters sell space to advertisers in order to subsidize the cost of their primary product, content. With broadcasters the consumer is also the product when the broadcaster does business with the content providers. Magazines and newspapers are the same. What Facebook and Google do is a very much more advanced form of the same. The main difference being that the customer information broadcasters and other media have to peddle is so much more benign. 

     

    But from an end user viewpoint I have always hated television advertising. In fact, since I moved to North America I have all but stopped watching television because I can't stand all the ads. That is why I like Netflix and iTunes. I'd much rather pay for content and have it advertising free. It is also why I like Facebook less and less as ads now pollute the timeline. 

     

    What would redeem both Google and Facebook and their likes is if they offered a paid version of their services that could somehow be guaranteed not to be mined or filed with ads. 

     

    Paradoxically, I am endlessly fascinated by marketing. If you have a product you need to sell it, right? So what do you do? If you can't tell people you have it who's gonna buy it?

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  • Reply 48 of 102



    Tim Cook is absolutely right and Zuckerberg knows it.

     

    These AD companies should pay part of their profits to their "Products".

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  • Reply 49 of 102
    dachardachar Posts: 330member

    With 100's of millions of users I am sure my views mean nothing to FB but never mind.  I few years ago my FB experience was good in that I had a few posts from friends that I enjoyed reading. Now I have loads more, most of which are not from friends and relatives and I don't want. The result, I no longer view FB every day; it is more like once every month or two. Others I know have become feed up with FB and no longer use it. One of FB's selling points was the ability to connect to new friends and relatives and reconnect with long lost ones. It has too many users to go away but if FB carries on the route its on a new user aimed upstart might just come along one day to challenge it. I also preferred the design from about 3 years ago to todays.

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  • Reply 50 of 102
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member

    This idea that the user is the product and that's all that needs to be said is obviously reductive, and I don't know why anyone is surprised at Zuckerberg defending his business model.  I also don't get why people hate Facebook so much.  Just don't use it.

     

    Non-story.

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  • Reply 51 of 102
    canukstormcanukstorm Posts: 2,797member
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    I suppose Apple could buy a cross-platform competitor that could wipe FB out. I just don't think they're that interested in doing it.


    You mean like buying Twitter?

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  • Reply 52 of 102
    Cheap shots, Zuck. The "Apple tax" meme is weak sauce. If Apple was "out of touch" with its customers, they wouldn't have people lining up around the block to be first to buy their products.

    And yes, he dodged directly addressing the "you are the product" accusation.
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  • Reply 53 of 102
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    How cute!

    Mark Zuckerberg offering his experienced opinion on how to price and sell successful hardware.

    Oops.

    I mean, how to sell hardware.

    Oops.

    I mean, how to sell.

    (I got it right eventually)
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  • Reply 54 of 102
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,729member
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    Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post

     



    Tim Cook is absolutely right and Zuckerberg knows it.

     

    These AD companies should pay part of their profits to their "Products".




    Technically they do. They give you their services for naught. 

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  • Reply 55 of 102
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    Dumb ass kid has a net worth of $33.3 billion. Pretty good for a dumb ass. I guess he just got lucky or no it was all handed to him... no no he just slapped his keyboard a few times and it appeared.


     

    Because of course, in the ol' US of A, being rich must mean being smart. Gimme a break.
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  • Reply 56 of 102
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    You mean like buying Twitter?




    Sure. Twitter is another legal minefield just waiting to explode (A) when and if they ever make any money or (B) if they are bought out.

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  • Reply 57 of 102
    Sucker burg is so out of touch it's ridiculous. As my parents always said if it sounds to good to be true it is and you get what you pay for especially if something is "free". Just noticed my expensive iPhone just autocorrected his name and it's so appropriate. Thank you iPhone
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  • Reply 58 of 102
    alfiejralfiejr Posts: 1,524member

    it's so obvious that Cook's "you're the proudct" comment hit home - and hard.

     

    Zuckerberg, the arrongant fool. what a "tell." he should never play poker.

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  • Reply 59 of 102
    pmcdpmcd Posts: 396member
    paxman wrote: »

    Paradoxically, I am endlessly fascinated by marketing. If you have a product you need to sell it, right? So what do you do? If you can't tell people you have it who's gonna buy it?

    Yes, that is a conundrum. Ads have made North American TV watching unbearable. Everywhere you go there's another billboard or whatever polluting the air and what is really worrisome is that the marketing industry has a whole toolbox of psychological tools to fine tune the presentation of a product. Much of it borders on brainwashing. On the other hand, as you note, advertising has an information component to it which is surely useful. I don't know how you get around the issues. It's easy to say, and I feel that, advertising is evil. But then we can't really live without it.
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  • Reply 60 of 102
    sflagelsflagel Posts: 884member
    Tim Cook is right for two reasons:
    1. Ad supported businesses are in effect subsidised. Like all subsidised businesses, this results in oversupply. Consumers end up consuming more than what they really value. TV is a good example, and subsidised coal powered electricity.
    2. If you use ad powered products, you use what the advertising companies want you to see/consume; you give up choice. You allow censorship. Again network TV vs Pay TV are good examples.
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