Future iPhones could enhance security with combination of Touch ID & fingertip motion

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  • Reply 21 of 61
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    Ignoring that lazy "tin foil hatters" slur, why do you believe the Constitution doesn't apply?



    Because the Constitution does NOT protect you from all searches and seizures. If there is probable cause to suspect you of wrong doing the 4th amendment allows the government to force you to comply and to seize evidence. And the Supreme Court, the arbiter and interpreter of the Constitution, has ruled that a warrant is not always necessary to search and seize. What part of the 4th amendment do YOU not understand?

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  • Reply 22 of 61
    lkrupp wrote: »

    Because the Constitution does NOT protect you from all searches and seizures. If there is probable cause to suspect you of wrong doing the 4th amendment allows the government to force you to comply and to seize evidence. What part of the 4th amendment do YOU not understand?

    I understand every word of it.

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

    That word, "unreasonable" means something. The phrase "shall not be violated" means something. These are legal documents written by lawyers. Words mean something.
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  • Reply 23 of 61
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    I understand every word of it.



    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."



    That word, "unreasonable" means something.



    And what is unreasonable about the cops searching your phone if they have probable cause and a warrant? 

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  • Reply 24 of 61
    lkrupp wrote: »

    And what is unreasonable about the cops searching your phone if they have probable cause and a warrant? 

    You're assuming they have probable cause, which I find amusing.
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  • Reply 25 of 61
    Reboot your phone at the first sign of an imperial cruiser. TouchID is disabled until you enter your PIN after a reboot.

    The problem with that is that all the notifications still hit the lock screen after a restart, and it's arguably worse because common name isn't shown, but rather the phone number or email address it was sent from.
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  • Reply 26 of 61
    Oh it the idea of unlocking a safe, turn left then right then left again to unlock.
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  • Reply 27 of 61
    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

    And what is unreasonable about the cops searching your phone if they have probable cause and a warrant? 



    Because an illegal law passed three days ago that grants them the power to search anything you have at any time for any reason.

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  • Reply 28 of 61
    solipsismy wrote: »
    The problem with that is that all the notifications still hit the lock screen after a restart, and it's arguably worse because common name isn't shown, but rather the phone number or email address it was sent from.

    iOS lets you turn off displaying notifications on the lock screen. That should prevent any unauthorized persons from seeing any private communications received while viewing your lock screen.
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  • Reply 29 of 61
    iOS lets you turn off displaying notifications on the lock screen. That should prevent any unauthorized persons from seeing any private communications received while viewing your lock screen.

    Right, but that hinders my normal usage, nor do I want specific phone numbers and email addresses from contacts ever being displayed on the lock screen.

    edit: I'd also like the option for any wireless settings in Notification Center or access to Settings to require a passcode or Touch ID to access.
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  • Reply 30 of 61
    solipsismy wrote: »
    Right, but that hinders my normal usage, nor do I want specific phone numbers and email addresses from contacts ever being displayed on the lock screen.

    edit: I'd also like the option for any wireless settings in Notification Center or access to Settings to require a passcode or Touch ID to access.

    Given that there is no way to use Siri or touch ID to lock down your phone, it looks like turning off lock screen notifications is the best alternative so far.
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  • Reply 31 of 61
    boredumbboredumb Posts: 1,418member
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    Originally Posted by TheWhiteFalcon View Post

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    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

    And what, exactly, would cause the police to force you to unlock your phone? The evil, deranged pigs would randomly pick you out, for no reason?


    Under the PATRIOT Act, no one is safe...


    Especially patriots.

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  • Reply 32 of 61
    boredumbboredumb Posts: 1,418member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     
    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

    And what is unreasonable about the cops searching your phone if they have probable cause and a warrant? 

    Because an illegal law passed three days ago that grants them the power to search anything you have at any time for any reason.


    Are you referring to the Supreme Court ruling in the Heien case?

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  • Reply 33 of 61
    iaeeniaeen Posts: 588member
    lkrupp wrote: »

    And what is unreasonable about the cops searching your phone if they have probable cause and a warrant? 

    Nothing. I still want security measures for the times they have neither of those things and still want to search my phone.

    Call me paranoid if you want. The fact is, it happens.
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  • Reply 34 of 61
    I'd like 3 new features;

    1) if I choose I can tell the phone to electrocute someone who attempts to unlock my phone with wrong finger print
    2) on two attempts, it kills them
    3) Integrates to police database so that if cop identified it kills them and immediately vaporizes them just like in Stargate SG1 with the Zak ni katel;
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  • Reply 35 of 61
    Given that there is no way to use Siri or touch ID to lock down your phone, it looks like turning off lock screen notifications is the best alternative so far.

    It's too many steps to do quickly and I don't want them off all the time or it's removes too much usability under normal circumstances. What I'm asking for is Apple to consider the off chance one might need to protect their data quickly in a stressful situation.
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  • Reply 36 of 61
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,502member

    So, is the Touch ID sensor different in the 5S or is it just the firmware that allows reachability? If it's just the firmware, then 5S ownerscould theoretically enjoy the same fancy features as the 6 and 6+.

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  • Reply 37 of 61
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    You're assuming they have probable cause, which I find amusing.



    You're assuming that probable cause is a high bar which I find amusing.

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  • Reply 38 of 61
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Looks like a patent designed to constrain competitors rather than something Apple would actually offer, which is a perfectly valid and legal use of the patent system (I can hear the accusations calling Apple a patent troll). Apple's Touch ID is already far superior to this unlock method.
    Legal sure, but how can you stand by "constraining competitors" (just because Apple patented it first) as valid? The point of patents is to protect innovation, not to stifle it.
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  • Reply 39 of 61
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismY View Post





    I think a total lock down could be executed by using a specific finger. For instance, as soon as you use your middle finger on you left-hand the system will require a passcode, disable notifications from appearing on screen, disable the dropdown and pull-up menus, and send a message of your GPS coordinates to specifc pre-set email addresses of your choice.



    And to immediately upload, that video you just took, to the cloud or YT.

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  • Reply 40 of 61
    crowley wrote: »
    Legal sure, but how can you stand by "constraining competitors" (just because Apple patented it first) as valid? The point of patents is to protect innovation, not to stifle it.

    What is the actual purpose of a patent? Let's check with the U.S. Patents & Trademarks Office:

    "A patent is an intellectual property right granted by the Government of the United States of America to an inventor “to exclude others from making, using, offering for sale, or selling the invention throughout the United States or importing the invention into the United States” for a limited time in exchange for public disclosure of the invention when the patent is granted."

    http://www.uspto.gov/patents/index.jsp

    Aha! So a patent may be granted to "exclude" competitors. That's quite different from your misunderstanding.
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