What a charming and morally upright position to place the children in.
The children have no say in this at all. I doubt that a baby or a small child has the mental capacity to comprehend the illegal actions of their parents. The decision lies solely with the parents. If they're terrible parents, and they wish to leave their child behind, then that's their choice.
You are correct, that I'm technically a human, so I obviously can't deny that I am not a part of humanity. However, there are many billions of people on the planet, and many of them are not good people, so I choose not to associate myself with any all encompassing labels such as humanity. I would also never consider myself to be a global citizen, as I find such labels to be nonsense and naive.
There are various primitive and evil ideologies out there that many people follow, and my concern is not to look out for all of humanity. I choose to look out for myself. I do not want certain societies and ideologies to evolve, as I believe that they're evolving in the wrong direction.
The children have no say in this at all. I doubt that a baby or a small child has the mental capacity to comprehend the illegal actions of their parents. The decision lies solely with the parents. If they're terrible parents, and they wish to leave their child behind, then that's their choice.
Who says the child is a baby or small? I'm taking what you're saying to apply to any minor, a child who may have spent up to 18 years in a country that they're suddenly going to be given an ultimatum of staying in, or leaving to go to somewhere completely foreign with their family. Somewhere that may be hostile, and impoverished, and offer few opportunities. A place that the "terrible parents" may think their child would be better off not living in, even it does mean said child has to live without their parents.
Do you not see how this is a tough decision? How punishing people for an act of desperation years, possibly decades ago and uprooting and separating families in the present day might be seen as callous and unproductive?
Have you ever faced anything like the same sort of decision that you might feel a touch of empathy or compassion?
The children are US citizens, so they can't be deported. The children would either have to stay in the US by themselves, and fend for themselves, or the illegal parents can choose to take their child with them when they get the boot.
No shit sherlock, which is why I said "ripping the parents away from the children". What's stunning to me, is how sociopathic you must be to look at these 2 choices and feel great about them- but only feel great, but call this action "noble". This kind of heartless sociopathy always seems to come from privileged people such as yourself who have never really experienced real suffering, or the consequences of these kinds of choices.
I'm just trying to wrap my mind around how this is the most "noble" cause you could find while looking at the entirety of the conservative movement, and an example of an alternative "cause" Tim Cook can support. Try to examine that critically for a bit, from an angle that does not include hatred and bigotry- which is the only possible angle in which it can be rationalized.
Have you ever faced anything like the same sort of decision that you might feel a touch of empathy or compassion?
Nope. It would never cross my mind to illegally enter a foreign country and scam them out of money and benefits. It is a rotten thing to do, and I don't have much compassion for people who do rotten things.
Also, I believe that it is the people who make up successful and prosperous countries.
If you took the entire population of the USA and gave them a country in the third world, and if you took 316 million people from the third world and gave them the USA, then it wouldn't take long before the USA became a third world country, while the third world country where the Americans were placed would eventually become a thriving and successful country. This is mainly due to culture, political systems and beliefs.
People should fix their problems where they are. Going someplace else is merely bringing those same problems along with them and not addressing the core issue.
Try to examine that critically for a bit, from an angle that does not include hatred and bigotry- which is the only possible angle in which it can be rationalized.
You and other liberals can claim hatred and bigotry all you like, but that's not the case. I don't really care where illegals come from. They are all the same, they are illegal, and they should all be ejected. That is how things are in the majority of western countries on the planet.
If you took the entire population of the USA and gave them a country in the third world, and if you took 316 million people from the third world and gave them the USA, then it wouldn't take long before the USA became a third world country, while the third world country were the Americans were placed would be thriving and successful.
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">If you took the entire population of the USA and gave them a country in the third world, and if you took 316 million people from the third world and gave them the USA, then it wouldn't take long before the USA became a third world country, while the third world country were the Americans were placed would be thriving and successful. </span>
I would also never consider myself to be a global citizen, as I find such labels to be nonsense and naive.
What's nonsense is to assume that because you are multiple generations away from your immigrant ancestors that it somehow makes you different from people who are not so far removed from theirs. Where you are born on Earth doesn't make you any more inherently superior than someone born in another spot.
I choose to look out for myself. I do not want certain societies and ideologies to evolve, as I believe that they're evolving in the wrong direction.
You are in the fortunate position you're in because people looked out for you, what you consider to be looking out for yourself includes living in a society that allows you to maintain a suitable quality of life, which is not your own doing. If by no choice of your own, you had been born on the other side of the world, you wouldn't have that opportunity. Instead of showing gratitude for that by returning the favor to others, you show them contempt at their misfortune. That's evolving in the wrong direction.
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What a charming and morally upright position to place the children in.
What a charming and morally upright position to place the children in.
The children have no say in this at all. I doubt that a baby or a small child has the mental capacity to comprehend the illegal actions of their parents. The decision lies solely with the parents. If they're terrible parents, and they wish to leave their child behind, then that's their choice.
It is as long as you are a part of it.
You are correct, that I'm technically a human, so I obviously can't deny that I am not a part of humanity. However, there are many billions of people on the planet, and many of them are not good people, so I choose not to associate myself with any all encompassing labels such as humanity. I would also never consider myself to be a global citizen, as I find such labels to be nonsense and naive.
There are various primitive and evil ideologies out there that many people follow, and my concern is not to look out for all of humanity. I choose to look out for myself. I do not want certain societies and ideologies to evolve, as I believe that they're evolving in the wrong direction.
The children have no say in this at all. I doubt that a baby or a small child has the mental capacity to comprehend the illegal actions of their parents. The decision lies solely with the parents. If they're terrible parents, and they wish to leave their child behind, then that's their choice.
Who says the child is a baby or small? I'm taking what you're saying to apply to any minor, a child who may have spent up to 18 years in a country that they're suddenly going to be given an ultimatum of staying in, or leaving to go to somewhere completely foreign with their family. Somewhere that may be hostile, and impoverished, and offer few opportunities. A place that the "terrible parents" may think their child would be better off not living in, even it does mean said child has to live without their parents.
Do you not see how this is a tough decision? How punishing people for an act of desperation years, possibly decades ago and uprooting and separating families in the present day might be seen as callous and unproductive?
Have you ever faced anything like the same sort of decision that you might feel a touch of empathy or compassion?
The children are US citizens, so they can't be deported. The children would either have to stay in the US by themselves, and fend for themselves, or the illegal parents can choose to take their child with them when they get the boot.
No shit sherlock, which is why I said "ripping the parents away from the children". What's stunning to me, is how sociopathic you must be to look at these 2 choices and feel great about them- but only feel great, but call this action "noble". This kind of heartless sociopathy always seems to come from privileged people such as yourself who have never really experienced real suffering, or the consequences of these kinds of choices.
I'm just trying to wrap my mind around how this is the most "noble" cause you could find while looking at the entirety of the conservative movement, and an example of an alternative "cause" Tim Cook can support. Try to examine that critically for a bit, from an angle that does not include hatred and bigotry- which is the only possible angle in which it can be rationalized.
Have you ever faced anything like the same sort of decision that you might feel a touch of empathy or compassion?
Nope. It would never cross my mind to illegally enter a foreign country and scam them out of money and benefits. It is a rotten thing to do, and I don't have much compassion for people who do rotten things.
Also, I believe that it is the people who make up successful and prosperous countries.
If you took the entire population of the USA and gave them a country in the third world, and if you took 316 million people from the third world and gave them the USA, then it wouldn't take long before the USA became a third world country, while the third world country where the Americans were placed would eventually become a thriving and successful country. This is mainly due to culture, political systems and beliefs.
People should fix their problems where they are. Going someplace else is merely bringing those same problems along with them and not addressing the core issue.
Try to examine that critically for a bit, from an angle that does not include hatred and bigotry- which is the only possible angle in which it can be rationalized.
You and other liberals can claim hatred and bigotry all you like, but that's not the case. I don't really care where illegals come from. They are all the same, they are illegal, and they should all be ejected. That is how things are in the majority of western countries on the planet.
If you took the entire population of the USA and gave them a country in the third world, and if you took 316 million people from the third world and gave them the USA, then it wouldn't take long before the USA became a third world country, while the third world country were the Americans were placed would be thriving and successful.
That is such a pile of nationalistic bullshit.
That is such a pile of nationalistic bullshit.
It may be nationalistic, but I don't believe that it's bullshit at all.
The truth hurts, I see.
Shut up Frost.
What's nonsense is to assume that because you are multiple generations away from your immigrant ancestors that it somehow makes you different from people who are not so far removed from theirs. Where you are born on Earth doesn't make you any more inherently superior than someone born in another spot.
You are in the fortunate position you're in because people looked out for you, what you consider to be looking out for yourself includes living in a society that allows you to maintain a suitable quality of life, which is not your own doing. If by no choice of your own, you had been born on the other side of the world, you wouldn't have that opportunity. Instead of showing gratitude for that by returning the favor to others, you show them contempt at their misfortune. That's evolving in the wrong direction.