Okay... I have to agree... but that sure aint going to happen overnight.
If what you are saying is true (extremist groups plucking the young), and I'm quite sure it is... then what is the solution now. Hell, it just takes one scumbag to recruit a dozen more. You kill 30 and 50 more pop up. This will go on for eternity.
I think the moderates will eventually win... out of preservation if nothing else... but that is going to take a lot of time. Well, at least I'm sure it won't happen in my lifetime.
Have you heard of the 'no go zones'? Apparently there are entire neighborhoods in France, and other European countries in which Muslims can do as they please, and the police do not interfere.
Have you heard of the 'no go zones'? Apparently there are entire neighborhoods in France, and other European countries in which Muslims can do as they please, and the police do not interfere.
What I am most irreversibly offended by is the fact that the vast majority of Muslim religious leaders don't have the courage to issue a fatwa against the people of their own faith who are dragging their revered religion -- and their Prophet -- through the mud in the most grotesque way. Think murdered schoolchildren, abducted young girls, car bombs by the dozen, suicide bombings, public beheadings on social media.... I could go on and on with an utterly depraved and depressing list.
Charlie Hebdo is but the latest example of this depravity.
For example, can anyone name even one Muslim religious leader who issued a fatwa against, say, Osama Bin Laden? The leaders of Boko Haram? The leaders of ISIL? If not, why not?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I would guess that because doing so would go against the Quran, as said people were acting in accordance with it.
I was waiting to see if you, Anan, were going to respond to TS's answer.
I'm just thinking that if TS is correct, and I'm not saying he is, then this would be the mother of all fatwas, wouldn't it.
They're making it easy to recruit. There's no oversight of what happens in those neighborhoods. The training camps are in their backyard.
Oh... okay... got it. I had said in my comment that I'm quite sure that is the case... but, personally, I have never been in one of those zones so I would only be assuming.
You missed the point. "Tactical" or "surgical" killing is not possible in a war. There is no country to fight. There is an entire religion to fight. Do you really believe these radicals do their work in isolation, without support from the vast majority of muslims? Have you forgotten the joy in Tehran when 911 occurred? Get your head out of the sand.
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">The only solution is to eliminate islam wherever you see it from democratic societies. Remove them. Send them back and let them kill each other. Who gives a damn. They have NO right to take away MY right as a non-muslim to think as I please in my own country. Interesting comment someone made - "Where muslims are a minority, they are concerned with minority rights. Where muslims are a majority, there are NO minority rights."</span>
That's foolish. I know Muslims that aren't jihadists. The media in many of the Muslim countries are state controlled propaganda. Eliminate state controlled media is a start.
Have you heard of the 'no go zones'? Apparently there are entire neighborhoods in France, and other European countries in which Muslims can do as they please, and the police do not interfere.
Ah, what did I recently read…
It’s now illegal in Paris for native white Frenchmen (or whatever color of Frenchman; real French is the point) to move into poor immigrant neighborhoods and improve the QoL and property.
Gentrification is illegal now, citing “racism”, in short.
Charlie's cartoonists were among the most talentuous and satirical of the world and they were free. Also they were threatened since many years but they were brave enough to defend freedon of expression in our countries. Now they are dead. We thank them.
It’s now illegal in Paris for native white Frenchmen (or whatever color of Frenchman; real French is the point) to move into poor immigrant neighborhoods and improve the QoL and property.
Gentrification is illegal now, citing “racism”, in short.
Who passes a law like that? That's utterly insane.
Apple has guidelines. You can freely look up any offensive information in Safari.
How many of us would draw Mohammed? I bet most of us won't either but we value others' rights to do so.
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You can't "re-educate" extremists. You can only hope to contain them.
Yeah, you right for that. My goal is not to troll here (event it's seems to be...) The only thing I want to tell is the victims (cartoonists and people from Charlie Hebdo) think and explain many time that these Apple's guildelines are against press freedom.
...The Charlie Hebdo killers screamed that they have avenged Allah.
That's the thing about avenging Allah. If he were half the god he is claimed to be he could easily avenge himself. Sure, I know, who has the time when you have to tend to those thousands of virgins to be at the ready for the martyrs? No different with all the gods, they never avenge themselves for the blasphemies of humans. They are all too busy paving streets with gold, building mansions for the disciples and keeping the brimstone burning. Maybe when they have some free time they occasionally hurl earthward a random earthquake, hurricane or plague that indiscriminately kills mostly innocent women, children and the elderly. The fit always survive to blaspheme again.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismY
1) Welcome back.
Have to give credit to the Catholic hospital that did everything within their power to prevent me from going to heaven. Damn religious zealots /s
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I don't think it was ever about "us against them," but about general survival. Religion creates a form that, at its time by the interpreters, helps create a more coherent and stable society. Remove fear of the unknown by supply answers and set laws for civilized actions that benefit the whole of the community, at that time.
All these religious wars are related to survival of the fittest. Kingdoms and organized religions are just abstractions of that same principle.
I honestly did not understand his post, so thought it best not to reply!
Apologies.
I meant to say that you don’t see any so-called “moderate” Muslim leaders or individuals denouncing these actions (or those of the caliphate in the Middle East, etc.) because to do so would be to go against the Quran, as the Quran says to explicitly do the things the “extremists” are doing.
There are three roughly defined behaviors acceptable to Islam depending on the conditions in which Muslims find themselves, all of which are shown in the Quran and all of which are adhered to by whatever “kind” of Muslim you’ll see in the west or elsewhere.
That's the thing about avenging Allah. If he were half the god he is claimed to be he could easily avenge himself. Sure, I know, who has the time when you have to tend to those thousands of virgins to be at the ready for the martyrs?
I heard he's been hanging out in Pigalle as a street vendor making crêpes.
It’s now illegal in Paris for native white Frenchmen (or whatever color of Frenchman; real French is the point) to move into poor immigrant neighborhoods and improve the QoL and property.
Gentrification is illegal now, citing “racism”, in short.
I didn't read anything about poor immigrant neighborhoods in the link you provided. I did see "socially mixed neighborhood".
That’s more a papist thing, innit? Not to say they’re not Christians, but the idea behind a crusade isn’t Christian. It’d be a Pope calling a crusade. What’s interesting is what sort of action would have to happen to get a modern Pope to do so…
All these religious wars are related to survival of the fittest. Kingdoms and organized religions are just abstractions of that same principle.
If you teach people that their hardships are for some invented reason by people across the globe that don't know they exist to hide the fact that there are corrupt people within their government controlling them, or from direct evidence by those same types of people taking an offense against another, you're going to create the us v them scenario, but it all still comes down to the basic desire to survive. Breeding people to fear one another without any regard for verifiable knowledge will simply lead to more misunderstandings and hate.
Again? I would hope not, just as I would hope no other followers of a religion attacks another, but when you fuel hated with stereotypes and propaganda that you teach to your sons and daughters it's likely to eventually happen.
That’s more a papist thing, innit? Not to say they’re not Christians, but the idea behind a crusade isn’t Christian. It’d be a Pope calling a crusade. What’s interesting is what sort of action would have to happen to get a modern Pope to do so…
I love this new Pope, but I don't believe he in infallible, although I could make a case that since laws are invented by man if you give someone the control to change laws at will, or to be above the law, that the Pope could technically be infallible.
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Have you heard of the 'no go zones'? Apparently there are entire neighborhoods in France, and other European countries in which Muslims can do as they please, and the police do not interfere.
Have you heard of the 'no go zones'? Apparently there are entire neighborhoods in France, and other European countries in which Muslims can do as they please, and the police do not interfere.
What has that got to do with my comment?
What I am most irreversibly offended by is the fact that the vast majority of Muslim religious leaders don't have the courage to issue a fatwa against the people of their own faith who are dragging their revered religion -- and their Prophet -- through the mud in the most grotesque way. Think murdered schoolchildren, abducted young girls, car bombs by the dozen, suicide bombings, public beheadings on social media.... I could go on and on with an utterly depraved and depressing list.
Charlie Hebdo is but the latest example of this depravity.
For example, can anyone name even one Muslim religious leader who issued a fatwa against, say, Osama Bin Laden? The leaders of Boko Haram? The leaders of ISIL? If not, why not?
I would guess that because doing so would go against the Quran, as said people were acting in accordance with it.
I was waiting to see if you, Anan, were going to respond to TS's answer.
I'm just thinking that if TS is correct, and I'm not saying he is, then this would be the mother of all fatwas, wouldn't it.
They're making it easy to recruit. There's no oversight of what happens in those neighborhoods. The training camps are in their backyard.
They're making it easy to recruit. There's no oversight of what happens in those neighborhoods. The training camps are in their backyard.
Oh... okay... got it. I had said in my comment that I'm quite sure that is the case... but, personally, I have never been in one of those zones so I would only be assuming.
That's foolish. I know Muslims that aren't jihadists. The media in many of the Muslim countries are state controlled propaganda. Eliminate state controlled media is a start.
Ah, what did I recently read…
It’s now illegal in Paris for native white Frenchmen (or whatever color of Frenchman; real French is the point) to move into poor immigrant neighborhoods and improve the QoL and property.
Gentrification is illegal now, citing “racism”, in short.
Also they were threatened since many years but they were brave enough to defend freedon of expression in our countries.
Now they are dead.
We thank them.
Charlie's cartoonists were among the most talentuous and satirical of the world and they were free.
Also they were threatened since many years but they were brave enough to defend freedon of expression in our countries.
Now they are dead.
We thank them.
Who passes a law like that? That's utterly insane.
I would guess that because doing so would go against the Quran, as said people were acting in accordance with it.
I was waiting to see if you, Anan, were going to respond to TS's answer.
I'm just thinking that if TS is correct, and I'm not saying he is, then this would be the mother of all fatwas, wouldn't it.
I honestly did not understand his post, so thought it best not to reply!
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Apple has guidelines. You can freely look up any offensive information in Safari.
How many of us would draw Mohammed? I bet most of us won't either but we value others' rights to do so.
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You can't "re-educate" extremists. You can only hope to contain them.
Yeah, you right for that. My goal is not to troll here (event it's seems to be...) The only thing I want to tell is the victims (cartoonists and people from Charlie Hebdo) think and explain many time that these Apple's guildelines are against press freedom.
Pay a look on that (if you can read french is better): https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B63GN1BIEAEIko8.jpg
translation: all the press is licking my ass, but I don't want this* in iPad. Who's next ?
*this refer to CharlieHebdo
Charlie Hebdo don't like Apple and Steve Job. For them, Apple publication Guildeline is a very bad thing linked to capitalism...
What the victims would think of Apple publishing "Je suis Charlie" if they survived?
@Tallest Skil :
That does not exists in France .
It is so stupid!!!!
Hmmm... interesting theory.
...The Charlie Hebdo killers screamed that they have avenged Allah.
That's the thing about avenging Allah. If he were half the god he is claimed to be he could easily avenge himself. Sure, I know, who has the time when you have to tend to those thousands of virgins to be at the ready for the martyrs? No different with all the gods, they never avenge themselves for the blasphemies of humans. They are all too busy paving streets with gold, building mansions for the disciples and keeping the brimstone burning. Maybe when they have some free time they occasionally hurl earthward a random earthquake, hurricane or plague that indiscriminately kills mostly innocent women, children and the elderly. The fit always survive to blaspheme again.
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1) Welcome back.
Have to give credit to the Catholic hospital that did everything within their power to prevent me from going to heaven. Damn religious zealots /s
All these religious wars are related to survival of the fittest. Kingdoms and organized religions are just abstractions of that same principle.
The French.
Originally Posted by Trillot
That does not exists in France .
It is so stupid!!!!
Do you question its existence because of stupidity or because of French improbability?
Either way, here’s the link.
Apologies.
I meant to say that you don’t see any so-called “moderate” Muslim leaders or individuals denouncing these actions (or those of the caliphate in the Middle East, etc.) because to do so would be to go against the Quran, as the Quran says to explicitly do the things the “extremists” are doing.
There are three roughly defined behaviors acceptable to Islam depending on the conditions in which Muslims find themselves, all of which are shown in the Quran and all of which are adhered to by whatever “kind” of Muslim you’ll see in the west or elsewhere.
That's the thing about avenging Allah. If he were half the god he is claimed to be he could easily avenge himself. Sure, I know, who has the time when you have to tend to those thousands of virgins to be at the ready for the martyrs?
I heard he's been hanging out in Pigalle as a street vendor making crêpes.
Ah, what did I recently read…
It’s now illegal in Paris for native white Frenchmen (or whatever color of Frenchman; real French is the point) to move into poor immigrant neighborhoods and improve the QoL and property.
Gentrification is illegal now, citing “racism”, in short.
I didn't read anything about poor immigrant neighborhoods in the link you provided. I did see "socially mixed neighborhood".
I don't know.
That’s more a papist thing, innit? Not to say they’re not Christians, but the idea behind a crusade isn’t Christian. It’d be a Pope calling a crusade. What’s interesting is what sort of action would have to happen to get a modern Pope to do so…
If you teach people that their hardships are for some invented reason by people across the globe that don't know they exist to hide the fact that there are corrupt people within their government controlling them, or from direct evidence by those same types of people taking an offense against another, you're going to create the us v them scenario, but it all still comes down to the basic desire to survive. Breeding people to fear one another without any regard for verifiable knowledge will simply lead to more misunderstandings and hate.
Again? I would hope not, just as I would hope no other followers of a religion attacks another, but when you fuel hated with stereotypes and propaganda that you teach to your sons and daughters it's likely to eventually happen.
I love this new Pope, but I don't believe he in infallible, although I could make a case that since laws are invented by man if you give someone the control to change laws at will, or to be above the law, that the Pope could technically be infallible.