I will laugh at loud at the comments from those who still argue that 16GB is fine and upping to 32GB will prevent Apple from investing in R&D.
But it is fine for a lot of people. I just bought my wife a 6+ with 64GB. But she only had used 9GB on her 32GB 5. That carries over everything she's had since her first 3G.
Some people forget that most people don't get that many apps, don't take that many pix or movies, and don't store GB's of music and movies on their phones.
The DSLR-defenders are going to be up in arms about a "REAL" camera and how a phone CANT compare. And a phone will never be as good as a DSLR.
Not sure why that group of people gets so worked up when they hear about a phone getting a new camera.
Here is my prediction: Within 6 years, our phone cameras WILL be as good as today's DLSRs in most every way - for all intent and purposes. We will have great depth of field and quality and all of that business. People will continue to say it can't happen, but maybe they are defensive about how much they have spent on equipment.
We shall see. DSLRs will be super niche-y. Phones will be our cameras.
I don't understand how this two lens zoom is supposed to work. I've read about it briefly somewhere before, but it still makes no sense. There is a company that has a prototype of a zoom lens using two sliding optical wedges inside the lens, but that seems different. I don't know how well that works anyway.
As far as the force technology goes, well, it does sound interesting. People shouldn't dismiss it because they don't like what it does, or something. It could prove useful.
On smartphones, I imagine the dual lens camera would be used for optical zoom and low light performance. One lens will be wide angle, the other lens 2-4x zoom. Switching between lenses would would help getting subjects far away in focus. You wouldn't need digital zoom. Dual lenses would greatly improve low light performance on the iPhone as well since each would have its own sensor.
The DSLR-defenders are going to be up in arms about a "REAL" camera and how a phone CANT compare. And a phone will never be as good as a DSLR.
Not sure why that group of people gets so worked up when they hear about a phone getting a new camera.
Here is my prediction: Within 6 years, our phone cameras WILL be as good as today's DLSRs in most every way - for all intent and purposes. We will have great depth of field and quality and all of that business. People will continue to say it can't happen, but maybe they are defensive about how much they have spent on equipment.
We shall see. DSLRs will be super niche-y. Phones will be our cameras.
No way phone cameras will ever be as good as DSLR cameras. It's impossible due to the small size of the sensor. When you look at top of the line cameras from Nikon and Canon, they run over 4k. Phones will never have that type of expensive technology. Photography is a big hobby of mine and I do use my iPhone camera a lot, but it will never replace my DSLR. I'm all for new technology in smart phone cameras, but it's impossible for a phone to ever compare to a top of the line DSLR.
The DSLR-defenders are going to be up in arms about a "REAL" camera and how a phone CANT compare. And a phone will never be as good as a DSLR.
Not sure why that group of people gets so worked up when they hear about a phone getting a new camera.
Here is my prediction: Within 6 years, our phone cameras WILL be as good as today's DLSRs in most every way - for all intent and purposes. We will have great depth of field and quality and all of that business. People will continue to say it can't happen, but maybe they are defensive about how much they have spent on equipment.
We shall see. DSLRs will be super niche-y. Phones will be our cameras.
Basic physics makes it hard to achieve though. Noise levels in small sensors continues to improve, but with equivalent technology a larger sensor will always be even less noisy. Ultimate sharpness continues to be diffraction limited. Depth of field is determined by focal length, which is constrained in a phone camera by available dimensions. In optics, size is an inescapable factor so, however much miniature camera technology improves, those same improvements will improve larger format imaging too.
And Apple will win this one too, or it will be thrown out of court as have some other lawsuits against Apple like this one.
Let's hope so. It seems pretty rank that some can't update their iOS because they never really had 16 Gb available. Yes they should have read the fine print but the thing is......
I on the other hand always buy the largest size available as I prefer not to be cloud dependent.
The DSLR-defenders are going to be up in arms about a "REAL" camera and how a phone CANT compare. And a phone will never be as good as a DSLR.
Not sure why that group of people gets so worked up when they hear about a phone getting a new camera.
Here is my prediction: Within 6 years, our phone cameras WILL be as good as today's DLSRs in most every way - for all intent and purposes. We will have great depth of field and quality and all of that business. People will continue to say it can't happen, but maybe they are defensive about how much they have spent on equipment.
We shall see. DSLRs will be super niche-y. Phones will be our cameras.
I don't see how we can have great depth of field, if by that you're talking about thin depth of field. I see the cameras getting better, but the first thing Apple has to do is to allow RAW images, which they don't. Even Android does, in the latest OS.
But larger sensors will always be better than smaller sensors. Nothing that can be done about that.
On smartphones, I imagine the dual lens camera would be used for optical zoom and low light performance. One lens will be wide angle, the other lens 2-4x zoom. Switching between lenses would would help getting subjects far away in focus. You wouldn't need digital zoom. Dual lenses would greatly improve low light performance on the iPhone as well since each would have its own sensor.
I don't get that at all. You're talking about two cameras. That would be more than twice the cost, and twice the space. A terrible solution. It also doesn't explain why two lenses are needed, or how the zoom is performed.
Normally, zoom is effected by an optical sub structure within the lens that has its elements move independently of the focus, that changes the size of the image. If Apple could do that, then another lens isn't needed. Simply using another lens doesn't do anything. Using two focal lengths isn't a zoom.
The big problem is making an optical zoom to fit within these tiny camera modules. I've always figured that Apple could move the sensor at a 90 degree angle from the lens using aspheric mirrors. That would give them more room for a lens, and possibly, a zoom.
Let's hope so. It seems pretty rank that some can't update their iOS because they never really had 16 Gb available. Yes they should have read the fine print but the thing is......
I on the other hand always buy the largest size available as I prefer not to be cloud dependent.
Everyone can update, they just have to do it through iTunes. When updating over the air, the image downloaded to the device is much larger than the space needed for the finished update.
I don't get that at all. You're talking about two cameras. That would be more than twice the cost, and twice the space. A terrible solution. It also doesn't explain why two lenses are needed, or how the zoom is performed.
Normally, zoom is effected by an optical sub structure within the lens that has its elements move independently of the focus, that changes the size of the image. If Apple could do that, then another lens isn't needed. Simply using another lens doesn't do anything. Using two focal lengths isn't a zoom.
The big problem is making an optical zoom to fit within these tiny camera modules. I've always figured that Apple could move the sensor at a 90 degree angle from the lens using aspheric mirrors. That would give them more room for a lens, and possibly, a zoom.
I'm sure I'm not explaining it well, but I get the concept of a dual lens camera. There are different variations so I'm only speculating at which route Apple could go. Here is a quote about one dual lens camera:
"The Corephotonics camera has one wide-angle lens and one telephoto lens, each with its own sensor. Data from those two sensors is "fused" by onboard software, to produce one composite image. More weight is given to one of the lenses or the other, depending on the zoom level chosen by the user – a maximum 3x zoom is possible when shooting stills, or 5x for 1080p HD video."
I totally get what you are saying. Why the need for 2 cameras and not just one with an optical zoom. I just haven't read enough and don't know much about the dual lens cameras coming out this year. Is one just actually for depth of field and metering the scene, are both cameras 2 different focal lengths, etc; I just don't know. One thing I do understand is having 2 lenses with 2 different sensors would allow you to capture more light for a better quality low light photograph.
EDIT: I wanted to add I'm guessing another reason for the dual lens is to prevent a protruding camera lens while using optical zoom. With 2 lenses and 2 different focal points, I would assume that would prevent a protruding lens when you are using zoom. With the iPhone being so thin, I wonder if you could even fit a single lens optical zoom camera in there. Having two cameras would make it possible.
Wait. 6 months is fast. Many still have the 5S. You are not alone. The S cycle is always the preferred 2 year cycle. All kinks will be worked out. And u will get Apple pay from the get go for a full 12 months and not 11 months like the first day 6ers.
I will buy a 6S. I would buy a 6 S Plus except only if Apple solves a way to fold it.
Who says the S cycle is the preferred cycle? I prefer to get the newly designed iPhones because after about 2 years of looking at them I want a new one. Plus both versions have kinks that are fixed from the previous year. The 6 has a 2nd generation 64-bit processor and Touch ID just to name two. You think those are better in the 5S? Apple does a good job of offering revised hardware along with new hardware every year so it's hard to restrain from buying a whole new phone every time.
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But it is fine for a lot of people. I just bought my wife a 6+ with 64GB. But she only had used 9GB on her 32GB 5. That carries over everything she's had since her first 3G.
Some people forget that most people don't get that many apps, don't take that many pix or movies, and don't store GB's of music and movies on their phones.
The DSLR-defenders are going to be up in arms about a "REAL" camera and how a phone CANT compare. And a phone will never be as good as a DSLR.
Not sure why that group of people gets so worked up when they hear about a phone getting a new camera.
Here is my prediction: Within 6 years, our phone cameras WILL be as good as today's DLSRs in most every way - for all intent and purposes. We will have great depth of field and quality and all of that business. People will continue to say it can't happen, but maybe they are defensive about how much they have spent on equipment.
We shall see. DSLRs will be super niche-y. Phones will be our cameras.
I don't understand how this two lens zoom is supposed to work. I've read about it briefly somewhere before, but it still makes no sense. There is a company that has a prototype of a zoom lens using two sliding optical wedges inside the lens, but that seems different. I don't know how well that works anyway.
As far as the force technology goes, well, it does sound interesting. People shouldn't dismiss it because they don't like what it does, or something. It could prove useful.
On smartphones, I imagine the dual lens camera would be used for optical zoom and low light performance. One lens will be wide angle, the other lens 2-4x zoom. Switching between lenses would would help getting subjects far away in focus. You wouldn't need digital zoom. Dual lenses would greatly improve low light performance on the iPhone as well since each would have its own sensor.
I will literally laugh out loud if the base amount is 16GB again.
I will laugh at loud at the comments from those who still argue that 16GB is fine and upping to 32GB will prevent Apple from investing in R&D.
I will laugh out loud if the camera lens isn't flush.
MEMO TO IVE: I don't care if you build in an octo-lens camera system. Don't make a protruding lens. Pop that pimple.
The DSLR-defenders are going to be up in arms about a "REAL" camera and how a phone CANT compare. And a phone will never be as good as a DSLR.
Not sure why that group of people gets so worked up when they hear about a phone getting a new camera.
Here is my prediction: Within 6 years, our phone cameras WILL be as good as today's DLSRs in most every way - for all intent and purposes. We will have great depth of field and quality and all of that business. People will continue to say it can't happen, but maybe they are defensive about how much they have spent on equipment.
We shall see. DSLRs will be super niche-y. Phones will be our cameras.
No way phone cameras will ever be as good as DSLR cameras. It's impossible due to the small size of the sensor. When you look at top of the line cameras from Nikon and Canon, they run over 4k. Phones will never have that type of expensive technology. Photography is a big hobby of mine and I do use my iPhone camera a lot, but it will never replace my DSLR. I'm all for new technology in smart phone cameras, but it's impossible for a phone to ever compare to a top of the line DSLR.
Sog claims upping base storage to 32GB prevents Apple from investing in R&D.
Well you will be laughing out loud then as the chances of Apple redesigning the iPhone in an S year is slim to none and slim left town.
Basic physics makes it hard to achieve though. Noise levels in small sensors continues to improve, but with equivalent technology a larger sensor will always be even less noisy. Ultimate sharpness continues to be diffraction limited. Depth of field is determined by focal length, which is constrained in a phone camera by available dimensions. In optics, size is an inescapable factor so, however much miniature camera technology improves, those same improvements will improve larger format imaging too.
Let's hope so. It seems pretty rank that some can't update their iOS because they never really had 16 Gb available. Yes they should have read the fine print but the thing is......
I on the other hand always buy the largest size available as I prefer not to be cloud dependent.
MEMO TO 69 MILLION iPhone 6 users who don't give a rats ass.
I don't see how we can have great depth of field, if by that you're talking about thin depth of field. I see the cameras getting better, but the first thing Apple has to do is to allow RAW images, which they don't. Even Android does, in the latest OS.
But larger sensors will always be better than smaller sensors. Nothing that can be done about that.
I will laugh out loud if the camera lens isn't flush.
MEMO TO IVE: I don't care if you build in an octo-lens camera system. Don't make a protruding lens. Pop that pimple.
MEMO TO 69 MILLION iPhone 6 users who don't give a rats ass.
Who didn't have a choice. Apple offered no new iPhone without a pimply backside.
I am confident that 100% or as as close to as makes no difference of those iPhone 6 buyers would prefer a flush lens.
You can do better than that.
I don't get that at all. You're talking about two cameras. That would be more than twice the cost, and twice the space. A terrible solution. It also doesn't explain why two lenses are needed, or how the zoom is performed.
Normally, zoom is effected by an optical sub structure within the lens that has its elements move independently of the focus, that changes the size of the image. If Apple could do that, then another lens isn't needed. Simply using another lens doesn't do anything. Using two focal lengths isn't a zoom.
The big problem is making an optical zoom to fit within these tiny camera modules. I've always figured that Apple could move the sensor at a 90 degree angle from the lens using aspheric mirrors. That would give them more room for a lens, and possibly, a zoom.
You take the least important thing, and turn it into the most important thing?
Everyone can update, they just have to do it through iTunes. When updating over the air, the image downloaded to the device is much larger than the space needed for the finished update.
And I'd bet that most of us don't care.
Meh
I will laugh out loud if the camera lens isn't flush.
MEMO TO IVE: I don't care if you build in an octo-lens camera system. Don't make a protruding lens. Pop that pimple.
You take the least important thing, and turn it into the most important thing?
And yet, I suspect that the most important parts of the iPhone's design to Ive are those parts which we can't see.
I don't get that at all. You're talking about two cameras. That would be more than twice the cost, and twice the space. A terrible solution. It also doesn't explain why two lenses are needed, or how the zoom is performed.
Normally, zoom is effected by an optical sub structure within the lens that has its elements move independently of the focus, that changes the size of the image. If Apple could do that, then another lens isn't needed. Simply using another lens doesn't do anything. Using two focal lengths isn't a zoom.
The big problem is making an optical zoom to fit within these tiny camera modules. I've always figured that Apple could move the sensor at a 90 degree angle from the lens using aspheric mirrors. That would give them more room for a lens, and possibly, a zoom.
I'm sure I'm not explaining it well, but I get the concept of a dual lens camera. There are different variations so I'm only speculating at which route Apple could go. Here is a quote about one dual lens camera:
"The Corephotonics camera has one wide-angle lens and one telephoto lens, each with its own sensor. Data from those two sensors is "fused" by onboard software, to produce one composite image. More weight is given to one of the lenses or the other, depending on the zoom level chosen by the user – a maximum 3x zoom is possible when shooting stills, or 5x for 1080p HD video."
I totally get what you are saying. Why the need for 2 cameras and not just one with an optical zoom. I just haven't read enough and don't know much about the dual lens cameras coming out this year. Is one just actually for depth of field and metering the scene, are both cameras 2 different focal lengths, etc; I just don't know. One thing I do understand is having 2 lenses with 2 different sensors would allow you to capture more light for a better quality low light photograph.
EDIT: I wanted to add I'm guessing another reason for the dual lens is to prevent a protruding camera lens while using optical zoom. With 2 lenses and 2 different focal points, I would assume that would prevent a protruding lens when you are using zoom. With the iPhone being so thin, I wonder if you could even fit a single lens optical zoom camera in there. Having two cameras would make it possible.
Who says the S cycle is the preferred cycle? I prefer to get the newly designed iPhones because after about 2 years of looking at them I want a new one. Plus both versions have kinks that are fixed from the previous year. The 6 has a 2nd generation 64-bit processor and Touch ID just to name two. You think those are better in the 5S? Apple does a good job of offering revised hardware along with new hardware every year so it's hard to restrain from buying a whole new phone every time.