I've been happy with my Nikon d800 for quite a while but even with that one I sometimes notice moire in architectural details so the low pass filter cancellation models, either the new 810 version or the Canon "R" had better be chosen with care or there will be a lot of time spent in the post process....
Oh and "The only difference between these two new models is the low-pass filter on the 5DS R to help photographers get the sharpest image possible." is incorrect, the "R" has the low pass filter cancelled to allow the highest pixel detail possible.
From the Canon description EOS 5DS R:
"
Overview
It’s All in the Detail
With all the features and capabilities of the EOS 5DS, the EOS 5DS R camera offers the potential for even greater sharpness and fine detail for specialized situations. It features the same Canon designed and manufactured 50.6 Megapixel sensor, with the low-pass filter* (LPF) effect cancelled to provide even more fine edge sharpness and detail for critical subjects such as detailed landscapes, and other situations where getting the sharpest subject detail is a priority.
*The possibility of moiré and color artifacts is greater due to the LPF cancellation function. "
You see the 4.4?m pixels being the same as the submicron pixels in13 Mp cell phones? This camera is a landscapers dream when used with the 16-35 f4.0 or the new 11-24mm. Add the 17 TS/E and I would be happy for years.
Many are under the deluded impression that DSLRs are past tense and not important. I'd prefer the Olympus line ,but these are great also, especially for their extensive lense offerings.
Can you elaborate about the sports and wildlife issues?
I'm still thinking of switching to Canon but I keep upgrading my Nikons because I have so much invested in lenses.
If you are a Nikon user, you should stay with Nikon. There are Nikon gears that can satisfy your needs ...
I used to own a Rebel T1x. Now, I have a 6D. I am just an amateur. I probably will never own a 5D or 1D. However, I needed high ISO to shoot in indoor dark scenes. The 6D satisfied my needs. I am sure a 5D or 1D can do better ... " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Kind of ironic seeing this announcement just two articles above "Apple to again stay out of megapixel race with 8MP camera in 'iPhone 6s'".
We laugh at phone and point-shoot camera makers that boast super high megapixels on small sensors. How is this any different?
You're comparing phone cameras and compact point-and-shoot cameras to full-frame professional cameras that are meant for folks that want to take serious photographs and probably uses them as tools in their careers?
Really?? At this point, it's not even worth further debate with you.. just a waste of electrons.
Why would I want a 50 megapixel image on roughly the same size sensor?
A 24 megapixel would look better.
The 50MP is great if you're a photographer that does a lot of cropping. So even if you remove half the image, your subject still has a enough resolution to blow up.
A 24MP sensor with larger pixels to collect light certainly would result in a better, warmer image. That's why for now, I'm sticking with my Canon 5DMIII dSLR. I'm still amazed to has incredible the photographs are from my camera.
I'm waiting for what Canon does with the 5DMIV model. I think it will have a very modest (if any) megapixel jump and just smaller, internal improvements on what is already a fantastic camera. The rumor mill has it as being introduced in the August timeframe. Canon will continue to sell the 5DM3 until further notice so that tells me the M4 model is still a ways out.
These two new cameras are still not available until June, so there is still a ways away.
Another drawback is the audio inputs. DLSRs have just stereo instead of dual XLR with phantom power, etc. Sure you can overcome that with time code and a mixing board using multiple inputs, but that is a lot of hassle. We achieve excellent sound quality with dual microphones on booms. It works especially well when you are shooting scenes such as yours where you have conversations with two people. You can't do it with just one mic.
Agreed. We would never use any of the audio "features" with the camera, always used booms and Zoom recorders. Only reason we recorded in camera audio was for reference to sync sound.
Still no 4k video...Canon, you've protected your flagship long enough, time to trickle down and unlock this.
Will come in the 5D4. These are not aimed at those customers.
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Originally Posted by jj.yuan
They have a full line of high power lenses to support such super high resolution while smartphones don't have such a luxury.
Besides, these cameras will have a relatively limited audience (landscaping, advertising, art, etc.). It's good for taking photos of stationary objects, and probably only good at it.
The 5D Mark 4 will be the next big thing for sports, wildlife, etc.
Only lenses since 2010 (October 2009) have been designed for higher MP like the 5DR and 5DRS per Canon.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Why would I want a 50 megapixel image on roughly the same size sensor?
Only lenses since 2010 (October 2009) have been designed for higher MP like the 5DR and 5DRS per Canon.
I've come across a few posters claiming similar things, yet have not read one iota of official, professional, tested opinions from more established reviewers and/or manufacturers.
Please clarify what it means to have an SLR lens be "designed" for higher MP sensors? It's light traveling through a glass lens. It's all analog. The only thing I can "imagine" maybe is the glass lenses themselves being of some sort of higher quality... but when I read from people that there are lenses that are designed for higher MP, I just shake my head...
What you're saying is my Canon 50mm f/1.2 prime lens is "not designed for high MP sensors"?? Really?
And many scenes on the big screen. I know the 5D2 was used in Black Swan, and some war movie where they armored up the memory card part of the body and shot live rounds in its general direction.
The 1DC is a DSLR that handles 4K fine.
Magic Lantern enables 4K on a 5D3, and I'm sure the 5DS won't be too far behind. Actually, Magic Lantern has turned my old first DSLR (Rebel T2i) into a decent video camera -- I'd highly recommend anyone with a compatible body to give ML a try, and then donate. Unfortunately they don't do the 1D series, so I'm stuck there.
I've come across a few posters claiming similar things, yet have not read one iota of official, professional, tested opinions from more established reviewers and/or manufacturers.
Please clarify what it means to have an SLR lens be "designed" for higher MP sensors? It's light traveling through a glass lens. It's all analog. The only thing I can "imagine" maybe is the glass lenses themselves being of some sort of higher quality... but when I read from people that there are lenses that are designed for higher MP, I just shake my head...
What you're saying is my Canon 50mm f/1.2 prime lens is "not designed for high MP sensors"?? Really?
The only generational difference I've read is that the more recent lenses can take advantage of the newer AF systems in the bodies. So you'll get faster AF on a new body with a new lens (e.g. a MK III lens instead of a MK II). Those newer lenses may not focus much faster than the previous version on an older body (like a 1D3).
There's nothing to do with optics and resolution though...
While there are some drawbacks shooting video on DLSRs, I would beg to differ and say they shoot amazing video. My camera operators used nothing but Canon for a documentary I directed. To get an idea of quality (make sure you watch it in 1080, might be grainy if watched on this message) check out th trailer:
That looks like a great documentary. Here's hoping I'll be able to view it at the other side of the pond. Bookmarked.
The only generational difference I've read is that the more recent lenses can take advantage of the newer AF systems in the bodies. So you'll get faster AF on a new body with a new lens (e.g. a MK III lens instead of a MK II). Those newer lenses may not focus much faster than the previous version on an older body (like a 1D3).
There's nothing to do with optics and resolution though...
I own a Canon 5DM3 and I do tons of photography with it. There is no such thing (to my knowledge) of an "MKIII lens vs an MKII lens." The mount is the same. The speed of the AF has nothing to do with what the original poster is saying. He is saying there are lenses designed for high-megapixel sensors which to me is a not true.
Please read the forum guidelines before posting. The world's greatest photographers predominately use Macs and Apple products. While you may not be interested in this subject, please respect the fact that we have many readers with a diverse range of interests and digital photography is a tremendous part of the Apple ecosystem. Canon makes some of the best cameras on the market.
I don't think the 5D-series will ever have sports and wildlife as a primary use case. Leave that to the 1Dx and 7D cameras.
Speaking of the 7D, I haven't looked up the exact specs or done the math, but wouldn't a full-frame 50 MP sensor have about the same pixel size as 7D? It will be interesting to read the reviews and see how well all those extra pixels hold up.
The 5DMIII and 1D both use the exact same sensor chip. It's the other internals that differentiate between the two. The 5DMIII is a fantastic camera for sports and wildlife. It just doesn't have the faster frames-per-second of the 1DX camera, but it's still pretty good.
Both the 7DM2 and 5DS have a pixel sizes of 4.1. The 5D just has a larger sensor.
Why is this on **Apple** Insider? This site has become Canon Insider now?
Please read the forum guidelines before posting. The world's greatest photographers predominately use Macs and Apple products. While you may not be interested in this subject, please respect the fact that we have many readers with a diverse range of interests and digital photography is a tremendous part of the Apple ecosystem. Canon makes some of the best cameras on the market.
Ha! I almost wonder if zoff meant that as a joke (but maybe not?).
That sentence is almost kind of a classic now: Why is this on AppleInsider? Has this site become {fill-in-the-blank} Insider now? " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
For those comparing the new 5D megapixel to the "Apple iPhone staying at 8 MP..." article...
two words:
"L Series"
These cameras are simply an accessory for your lenses.
LOL. That's true, and L lenses really do make a difference too. I had convinced myself otherwise for many years. Now I own a few I am can really see the difference in my images..
Can you elaborate about the sports and wildlife issues?
I'm still thinking of switching to Canon but I keep upgrading my Nikons because I have so much invested in lenses.
That's what makes it tough switching brands. I've been a devoted Canon user since day one and I'll never change. Nikon makes good cameras as well. If you have a lot invested in Nikon, it probably isn't worth it for you to switch.
Canon cameras do really well shooting videos. Some movie studios actually have free presets you can download into Canon cameras for a cinema style look. Technicolor has a good free preset.
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I've been happy with my Nikon d800 for quite a while but even with that one I sometimes notice moire in architectural details so the low pass filter cancellation models, either the new 810 version or the Canon "R" had better be chosen with care or there will be a lot of time spent in the post process....
Oh and "The only difference between these two new models is the low-pass filter on the 5DS R to help photographers get the sharpest image possible." is incorrect, the "R" has the low pass filter cancelled to allow the highest pixel detail possible.
From the Canon description EOS 5DS R:
"
Overview
It’s All in the Detail
With all the features and capabilities of the EOS 5DS, the EOS 5DS R camera offers the potential for even greater sharpness and fine detail for specialized situations. It features the same Canon designed and manufactured 50.6 Megapixel sensor, with the low-pass filter* (LPF) effect cancelled to provide even more fine edge sharpness and detail for critical subjects such as detailed landscapes, and other situations where getting the sharpest subject detail is a priority.
*The possibility of moiré and color artifacts is greater due to the LPF cancellation function. "
:
Many are under the deluded impression that DSLRs are past tense and not important. I'd prefer the Olympus line ,but these are great also, especially for their extensive lense offerings.
Can you elaborate about the sports and wildlife issues?
I'm still thinking of switching to Canon but I keep upgrading my Nikons because I have so much invested in lenses.
If you are a Nikon user, you should stay with Nikon. There are Nikon gears that can satisfy your needs ...
I used to own a Rebel T1x. Now, I have a 6D. I am just an amateur. I probably will never own a 5D or 1D. However, I needed high ISO to shoot in indoor dark scenes. The 6D satisfied my needs. I am sure a 5D or 1D can do better ...
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Kind of ironic seeing this announcement just two articles above "Apple to again stay out of megapixel race with 8MP camera in 'iPhone 6s'".
We laugh at phone and point-shoot camera makers that boast super high megapixels on small sensors. How is this any different?
You're comparing phone cameras and compact point-and-shoot cameras to full-frame professional cameras that are meant for folks that want to take serious photographs and probably uses them as tools in their careers?
Really?? At this point, it's not even worth further debate with you.. just a waste of electrons.
Why would I want a 50 megapixel image on roughly the same size sensor?
A 24 megapixel would look better.
The 50MP is great if you're a photographer that does a lot of cropping. So even if you remove half the image, your subject still has a enough resolution to blow up.
A 24MP sensor with larger pixels to collect light certainly would result in a better, warmer image. That's why for now, I'm sticking with my Canon 5DMIII dSLR. I'm still amazed to has incredible the photographs are from my camera.
I'm waiting for what Canon does with the 5DMIV model. I think it will have a very modest (if any) megapixel jump and just smaller, internal improvements on what is already a fantastic camera. The rumor mill has it as being introduced in the August timeframe. Canon will continue to sell the 5DM3 until further notice so that tells me the M4 model is still a ways out.
These two new cameras are still not available until June, so there is still a ways away.
Another drawback is the audio inputs. DLSRs have just stereo instead of dual XLR with phantom power, etc. Sure you can overcome that with time code and a mixing board using multiple inputs, but that is a lot of hassle. We achieve excellent sound quality with dual microphones on booms. It works especially well when you are shooting scenes such as yours where you have conversations with two people. You can't do it with just one mic.
Agreed. We would never use any of the audio "features" with the camera, always used booms and Zoom recorders. Only reason we recorded in camera audio was for reference to sync sound.
Still no 4k video...Canon, you've protected your flagship long enough, time to trickle down and unlock this.
Will come in the 5D4. These are not aimed at those customers.
They have a full line of high power lenses to support such super high resolution while smartphones don't have such a luxury.
Besides, these cameras will have a relatively limited audience (landscaping, advertising, art, etc.). It's good for taking photos of stationary objects, and probably only good at it.
The 5D Mark 4 will be the next big thing for sports, wildlife, etc.
Only lenses since 2010 (October 2009) have been designed for higher MP like the 5DR and 5DRS per Canon.
Why would I want a 50 megapixel image on roughly the same size sensor?
A 24 megapixel would look better.
Detail. Detail.
Only lenses since 2010 (October 2009) have been designed for higher MP like the 5DR and 5DRS per Canon.
I've come across a few posters claiming similar things, yet have not read one iota of official, professional, tested opinions from more established reviewers and/or manufacturers.
Please clarify what it means to have an SLR lens be "designed" for higher MP sensors? It's light traveling through a glass lens. It's all analog. The only thing I can "imagine" maybe is the glass lenses themselves being of some sort of higher quality... but when I read from people that there are lenses that are designed for higher MP, I just shake my head...
What you're saying is my Canon 50mm f/1.2 prime lens is "not designed for high MP sensors"?? Really?
They shoot some TV shows on cameras these days.
And many scenes on the big screen. I know the 5D2 was used in Black Swan, and some war movie where they armored up the memory card part of the body and shot live rounds in its general direction.
The 1DC is a DSLR that handles 4K fine.
Magic Lantern enables 4K on a 5D3, and I'm sure the 5DS won't be too far behind. Actually, Magic Lantern has turned my old first DSLR (Rebel T2i) into a decent video camera -- I'd highly recommend anyone with a compatible body to give ML a try, and then donate. Unfortunately they don't do the 1D series, so I'm stuck there.
I've come across a few posters claiming similar things, yet have not read one iota of official, professional, tested opinions from more established reviewers and/or manufacturers.
Please clarify what it means to have an SLR lens be "designed" for higher MP sensors? It's light traveling through a glass lens. It's all analog. The only thing I can "imagine" maybe is the glass lenses themselves being of some sort of higher quality... but when I read from people that there are lenses that are designed for higher MP, I just shake my head...
What you're saying is my Canon 50mm f/1.2 prime lens is "not designed for high MP sensors"?? Really?
The only generational difference I've read is that the more recent lenses can take advantage of the newer AF systems in the bodies. So you'll get faster AF on a new body with a new lens (e.g. a MK III lens instead of a MK II). Those newer lenses may not focus much faster than the previous version on an older body (like a 1D3).
There's nothing to do with optics and resolution though...
That looks like a great documentary. Here's hoping I'll be able to view it at the other side of the pond. Bookmarked.
The only generational difference I've read is that the more recent lenses can take advantage of the newer AF systems in the bodies. So you'll get faster AF on a new body with a new lens (e.g. a MK III lens instead of a MK II). Those newer lenses may not focus much faster than the previous version on an older body (like a 1D3).
There's nothing to do with optics and resolution though...
I own a Canon 5DM3 and I do tons of photography with it. There is no such thing (to my knowledge) of an "MKIII lens vs an MKII lens." The mount is the same. The speed of the AF has nothing to do with what the original poster is saying. He is saying there are lenses designed for high-megapixel sensors which to me is a not true.
two words:
"L Series"
These cameras are simply an accessory for your lenses.
Hear hear!
I don't think the 5D-series will ever have sports and wildlife as a primary use case. Leave that to the 1Dx and 7D cameras.
Speaking of the 7D, I haven't looked up the exact specs or done the math, but wouldn't a full-frame 50 MP sensor have about the same pixel size as 7D? It will be interesting to read the reviews and see how well all those extra pixels hold up.
The 5DMIII and 1D both use the exact same sensor chip. It's the other internals that differentiate between the two. The 5DMIII is a fantastic camera for sports and wildlife. It just doesn't have the faster frames-per-second of the 1DX camera, but it's still pretty good.
Both the 7DM2 and 5DS have a pixel sizes of 4.1. The 5D just has a larger sensor.
Why is this on **Apple** Insider? This site has become Canon Insider now?
Please read the forum guidelines before posting. The world's greatest photographers predominately use Macs and Apple products. While you may not be interested in this subject, please respect the fact that we have many readers with a diverse range of interests and digital photography is a tremendous part of the Apple ecosystem. Canon makes some of the best cameras on the market.
Ha! I almost wonder if zoff meant that as a joke (but maybe not?).
That sentence is almost kind of a classic now: Why is this on AppleInsider? Has this site become {fill-in-the-blank} Insider now?
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Agreed.
LOL. That's true, and L lenses really do make a difference too. I had convinced myself otherwise for many years. Now I own a few I am can really see the difference in my images..
Can you elaborate about the sports and wildlife issues?
I'm still thinking of switching to Canon but I keep upgrading my Nikons because I have so much invested in lenses.
That's what makes it tough switching brands. I've been a devoted Canon user since day one and I'll never change. Nikon makes good cameras as well. If you have a lot invested in Nikon, it probably isn't worth it for you to switch.
They shoot some TV shows on cameras these days.
Canon cameras do really well shooting videos. Some movie studios actually have free presets you can download into Canon cameras for a cinema style look. Technicolor has a good free preset.