Apple Watch Edition's gold case undergoes unique hardening process, hand polishing during manufactur

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  • Reply 41 of 49
    desuserigndesuserign Posts: 1,316member
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    It used to before Apple figured out how to use cermaic particles instead of other metals as traditionally used.  The 'Apple gold' is far less then 75% gold by volume and will be the first mass use of this new kind of gold.  The Apple watch casing will contain about HALF the amount of gold that a traditional mix would contain for the same size watch casing.  This is such an unusual use of gold that it is actually being called 'Appple gold' by many in the industry.  

     

    http://leancrew.com/all-this/2015/03/apple-gold/




    It's still 18K and 75% gold by mass (which is how it's always assayed.) This technique makes it a very light weight gold, but not less pure. OTOH, I didn't know about this. Very smart way to make a more functional "gold" and save a lot of money. I'm sure the watch feels a lot lighter on the wrist (about half as much) than it would have with a conventional alloy.

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  • Reply 42 of 49
    beltsbearbeltsbear Posts: 316member
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    It's still 18K and 75% gold by mass (which is how it's always assayed.) This technique makes it a very light weight gold, but not less pure. OTOH, I didn't know about this. Very smart way to make a more functional "gold" and save a lot of money. I'm sure the watch feels a lot lighter on the wrist (about half as much) than it would have with a conventional alloy.




    Seems dishonest.  A cubic centimeter of 18k gold normally contains about 11.7 grams of gold.  A cubic centimeter of Apple 18k gold contains about 5.5 grams of gold.   Cases being of the same size, 'Apple gold' will contain half the actual gold. 

     

    Also to say 'which is how it's always assayed' is dishonest by omission.  Gold has always been alloyed with other semi precious metals, Apple is the first mass use of ceramic in place of metal.  I am not against this use, but it should not me marked 18k.

     

    TLDR: Apple please don't mark it 18k. 

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  • Reply 43 of 49
    desuserigndesuserign Posts: 1,316member
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    Seems dishonest.  A cubic centimeter of 18k gold normally contains about 11.7 grams of gold.  A cubic centimeter of Apple 18k gold contains about 5.5 grams of gold.   Cases being of the same size, 'Apple gold' will contain half the actual gold. 

     

    Also to say 'which is how it's always assayed' is dishonest by omission.  Gold has always been alloyed with other semi precious metals, Apple is the first mass use of ceramic in place of metal.  I am not against this use, but it should not me marked 18k.

     

    TLDR: Apple please don't mark it 18k. 




    1.) Copper, Nickel, Manganese, and Aluminum are not a semiprecious metals and are commonly used in gold alloys.

    2.) You probably just have not had any experience dealing with this stuff. It may seem counterintuitive for you, but it's always done by percent mass (since the days of Archimedes) because mass is explicit. 18K gold is always 3/4 gold by mass. If you know the mass, you know the fine weight, and therefore the minimum value in gold.

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  • Reply 44 of 49
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
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    Seems dishonest.  A cubic centimeter of 18k gold normally contains about 11.7 grams of gold.  A cubic centimeter of Apple 18k gold contains about 5.5 grams of gold.   Cases being of the same size, 'Apple gold' will contain half the actual gold. 

     

    Also to say 'which is how it's always assayed' is dishonest by omission.  Gold has always been alloyed with other semi precious metals, Apple is the first mass use of ceramic in place of metal.  I am not against this use, but it should not me marked 18k.

     

    TLDR: Apple please don't mark it 18k. 




    When the Chinese market cottons on to "Apple Gold", they will be lucky to sell more than a token few there.  I doubt they would be allowed to mark it 18K and then sell it in several European countries.

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  • Reply 45 of 49
    beltsbearbeltsbear Posts: 316member
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    1.) Copper, Nickel, Manganese, and Aluminum are not a semiprecious metals and are commonly used in gold alloys.

    2.) You probably just have not had any experience dealing with this stuff. It may seem counterintuitive for you, but it's always done by percent mass (since the days of Archimedes) because mass is explicit. 18K gold is always 3/4 gold by mass. If you know the mass, you know the fine weight, and therefore the minimum value in gold.




    You have said the same thing over again except now you added a personal attack.  Everyone here including myself knows that 18k gold is 3/4 gold by MASS.  What is unusual is the use of ceramic not metal as the other mass.  Ceramic is so much lighter it throws every normal expectation off.  Sure, legally Apple can make it as 18k, but that does not make it not deceptive. 

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  • Reply 46 of 49
    desuserigndesuserign Posts: 1,316member
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    You have said the same thing over again except now you added a personal attack.  Everyone here including myself knows that 18k gold is 3/4 gold by MASS.  What is unusual is the use of ceramic not metal as the other mass.  Ceramic is so much lighter it throws every normal expectation off.  Sure, legally Apple can make it as 18k, but that does not make it not deceptive. 




    No personal attack was intended. Few people are familiar with these things. Perhaps you are overly sensitive? I think your just upset because you didn't know gold is commonly alloyed with many non-precious metals. :-) Even Tin is sometimes used for certain purposes. It's all about making the alloy functional as well as beautiful. Pure gold is really nice, but it's not very functional. (Do you consider this a "personal attack?")

     

    Apple's patent also mentions using diamond in place of this ceramic. (Perhaps that would make you feel better about it?) Using this ceramic gives a better bang for the buck though. It's cheaper, but still makes the material super ridged and light in addition to making it extremely tough. (Is this a "personal attack?")

     

    Some people are always offended by new innovations.

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  • Reply 47 of 49
    calicali Posts: 3,494member
    What I don't understand is why Tim Cook skipped the ?Watch Edition gold process at the keynote.

    He was so excited to show the Sport and normal watch process then he just skipped the Edition. I was confused and disappointed.

    He just quickly said "which will start at $10,000" then changed the subject just as fast.
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  • Reply 48 of 49
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    cali wrote: »
    What I don't understand is why Tim Cook skipped the ?Watch Edition gold process at the keynote.

    He was so excited to show the Sport and normal watch process then he just skipped the Edition. I was confused and disappointed.

    He just quickly said "which will start at $10,000" then changed the subject just as fast.

    I didn't see it that way.
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