Swatch signs deals for NFC payments in face of looming smartwatch threat

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  • Reply 21 of 83
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by sflagel View Post

     
    Maybe, maybe not. But if the watch I am wearing now (I think I paid about $130 for it) could handle notifications and payments, I'd be happy. And maybe others will also. Apple Watch is an incredible feat of engineering. But it's god awfully ugly, poor thing.


    Yeah but once you cram a couple radios and a much bigger battery in there, you'd probably see your watch double in thickness too.

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  • Reply 22 of 83
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,932member

    Ha ha ha!  The last few years have not been a picnic for the Swiss.  First, the US strong armed them into dismantling their bank secrecy laws, then they were forced to abandon the Swiss Franc ceiling thus hurting their exporters, and now a significant segment of the vaunted Swiss Watch industry is in peril.

     

    Karma for a country who always stood high and mighty about Swiss uprightness and integrity in contrast to all the other people from corrupt countries out there, even as everyone knew all along that their banks welcomed and shielded the business of Nazis, murderous dictators, embezzlers, drug kingpins, arms dealers, smugglers, tax evaders and all sorts of nefarious characters.

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  • Reply 23 of 83
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,301member
  • Reply 24 of 83
    sflagelsflagel Posts: 884member
    mstone wrote: »
    Yeah but once you cram a couple radios and a much bigger battery in there, you'd probably see your watch double in thickness too.

    Yes, I have doubts it can be implemented, but what do I know?
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  • Reply 25 of 83
    sflagelsflagel Posts: 884member
    tundraboy wrote: »
    Ha ha ha!  The last few years have not been a picnic for the Swiss.  First, the US strong armed them into dismantling their bank secrecy laws, then they were forced to abandon the Swiss Franc ceiling thus hurting their exporters, and now a significant segment of the vaunted Swiss Watch industry is in peril.

    Karma for a country who always stood high and mighty about Swiss uprightness and integrity in contrast to all the other people from corrupt countries out there, even as everyone knew all along that their banks welcomed and shielded the business of Nazis, murderous dictators, embezzlers, drug kingpins, arms dealers, smugglers, tax evaders and all sorts of nefarious characters.
    I don't remember the Swiss ever standing high and mighty about to Swiss righteousness. Indeed, they don't appear in international politics at all. They build an economy on exactly the pillars that you describe. I doubt any of them really doubt it.
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  • Reply 26 of 83
    inteliusqinteliusq Posts: 111member
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    Originally Posted by fallenjt View Post

     

    I think Apple may have done too much for the watch by adding so much tech into it like: Force Touch, multiple sensors (blood pressure, KGE...), digital crown sensor, pulse sensor for Apple Pay and last but not least, complicated metal processing. That's why the watch is priced so high. I look around the market and there is NO other watch that can even come close to Apple Watch in term of technologies.


     

    This is what makes the Apple Watch what it is, and this is how Apple engineered it to be. Anything less you might as well  be like everyone else.

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  • Reply 27 of 83
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,932member
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    Originally Posted by sflagel View Post





    I don't remember the Swiss ever stood high and mighty about to Swiss righteousness. Indeed, they don't appear in international politics at all. They build an economy on exactly the pillars that you describe. I doubt any of them really doubt it.

     

    Yes, I agree they play good politics and don't make such pronouncements in the international arena.  But I think it's different on a personal level. And yes maybe I'm painting things with too broad a brush.

     

    A friend lived in Switzerland for a while, one time while waiting at a stop light, an old man walks up to him, taps his window to have him roll it down, "Do you know that your front tire is on the yellow line?"  Little things like that that make it clear that they look at people from other countries as not up to Swiss standards of uprightness and rule adherence.

     

    And then there are business pitches like this:  http://www.swissintegrity.ch

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  • Reply 28 of 83
    lkrupp wrote: »
    Now the release of the ?Watch is at hand and suddenly the industry players are realizing that the disruption of their market is on its way. What to do? What to do?

    Be Samsung, not Nokia.
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  • Reply 29 of 83
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    I see this as [I]more[/I] about ?Pay than the ?Watch, but I don't think this article would have happened if either ?Pay or ?Watch didn't exist.
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  • Reply 30 of 83
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Be Samsung, not Nokia.

    Where has that gotten Samsung?
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  • Reply 31 of 83
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    All this means it android will have all sorts of fragmentation in the payment arena, more confusion on what works and does not work. I doubt Apple will allow anyone else's watch to process payments with Applepay. We will have the Apple solution and then everyone else who is all trying to figure out how not to be left out, it will be a royal mess that is for sure.

    I just bought a bluetooth device which works with the Iphone and it clearly states works with all iphones 4 to current and ISO 6 and above, then said to go to their website to see the list of compatible Andriod Devices and OS, it basically said Galaxy 3S and some newer Samsung phones and said it may or may not work well on other android phones.

    That is the state of affairs with the Android Ecosystem, and these watch makers are going to make it all worse.
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  • Reply 32 of 83
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,454member
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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post

     

    I believe Apple decides on a case by case basis whether or not they will allow an app and in the case of a payment app I would think they might not.


    I think if Apple starts cutting out the competition like that, considering their market share of the smart phone market, they might start running into problems with the DOJ, just like Microsoft did with browsers.

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  • Reply 33 of 83
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    sog35 wrote: »
    One word:  DISRUPTION.

    No one does it better than Apple.  Tim Cook is proving he can be just as disruptive as Steve Jobs.  Cook is DISRUPTING luxury watches, payments, and soon TV and Cars.  Anyone questioning Cook's abilities is high on weed.

    I feel kinda sorry for the Swiss economy.  Really do.

    They should partner with Finland. ;)
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  • Reply 34 of 83
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,057member
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    Priced so high?  

     

    $350 is a bargain.  The Samdung Galaxy Gear was $300 when it was released.

     

    Samdung watches are now about $200

    Motorola 360 is $250.

     

    Paying an extra $100 for a far superior device you will use EVERYDAY for 3 years is a small price to pay.


    When I talked about the price, I meant stainless steel to stainless steel which appears that Apple Watch is $250-$300 more than competitors.

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  • Reply 35 of 83
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    fallenjt wrote: »
    When I talked about the price, I meant stainless steel to stainless steel which appears that Apple Watch is $250-$300 more than competitors.

    Show me these stainless steel watches by other smartwatch vendors that have the same fit and finish as ?Watch? Do you do know that the stainless steel band takes 9 hours to complete, and has a mechanism that doesn't involve tools and tiny hands to size, right?
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  • Reply 36 of 83
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,057member
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    Originally Posted by siretman View Post





    Too much tech in the Apple watch. Too high a price. Both statements are wrong. But you have a first in stating that there is too much capability in a product. I have never heard that complaint before.

    Well, let's look at these: Sapphire in the SS watch needed? F no. SS with special alloy processing needed? F no. Bundled sensors needed instead a few dedicated ones? F no. Haptic feedback needed? F no, nice to have btw. Force Touch needed? F no, nice to have. Apple Pay? nice to have. I meant seriously Apple don't need to include everything in version 1 while none of competitors did. Things that people need more, they don't put in: GPS, bettery battery.

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  • Reply 37 of 83
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,057member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismY View Post





    Show me these stainless steel watches by other smartwatch vendors that have the same fit and finish as ?Watch? Do you do know that the stainless steel band takes 9 hours to complete, and has a mechanism that doesn't involve tools and tiny hands to size, right?

    If you followed my posts, you wouldn't argue. I said because Apple put so much tech into the watch, that's why they charge higher price. But Sog35 jumped in saying that $349 was not high vs other watches. Then I said when we did the comparison, we had to compare with the same type of BOM: SS vs SS. I never had a doubt that Apple Watch is blowing competitors's product out of the water based on the technologies...But do we need all these tech in there for the price?

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  • Reply 38 of 83
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    fallenjt wrote: »
    Well, let's look at these: Sapphire in the SS watch needed? F no. SS with special alloy processing needed? F no. Bundled sensors needed instead a few dedicated ones? F no. Haptic feedback needed? F no, nice to have btw. Force Touch needed? F no, nice to have. Apple Pay? nice to have. I meant seriously Apple don't need to include everything in version 1 while none of competitors did. Things that people need more, they don't put in: GPS, bettery battery.

    1) That's right, just claim that all the effort to make a quality device that is useful were all pointless additions. :rolleyes:

    2) Your constant trolling needed? F. no.
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  • Reply 39 of 83
    moreckmoreck Posts: 187member
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

    One word:  DISRUPTION.

     

    No one does it better than Apple.  Tim Cook is proving he can be just as disruptive as Steve Jobs.  Cook is DISRUPTING luxury watches, payments, and soon TV and Cars.  Anyone questioning Cook's abilities is high on weed.

     

    I feel kinda sorry for the Swiss economy.  Really do.


    I will have you know that I'm regularly high on weed, and I've never questioned Cook's abilities. :3

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  • Reply 40 of 83
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    fallenjt wrote: »
    If you followed my posts, you wouldn't argue. I said because Apple put so much tech into the watch, that's why they charge higher price. But Sog35 jumped in saying that $349 was not high vs other watches. Then I said when we did the comparison, we had to compare with the same type of BOM: SS vs SS. I never had a doubt that Apple Watch is blowing competitors's product out of the water based on the technologies...But do we need all these tech in there for the price?

    It's not! If you want a shitty steel watch from another vendor then buy it, or you can spend about as much for a brilliantly milled aluminium ?Watch from Apple. If you don't care about the features, fit and finish, usability, or anything else they've added then don't buy the fucking watch. Clearly it's not for you. I'm still not sold on it but you don't see me making stupid comments about Pebble having a steel watch at a lower price with a shitty display and no biometrics features that Apple should makes one that directly completes with their low-grade offering.
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