Who's afraid of the Apple Watch?

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    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Forget wrist worn devices, they haven't been able to make a successful phone which was their speciality, so where do you see watch makers being able to compete with Apple?

    :sigh: Don't change the argument, but if you do, at least do it in a way that favours your position. TS's image includes every company that has ever had an electronic device on the wrist before Apple got in the game. This means the shitty Sony and Samsung "smartwatches," what Google has done with Android Wear to beat Apple to market, and every poor attempt by traditional watch makers to "modernize." For example…
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  • Reply 262 of 341
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismy wrote: »
    :sigh: Don't change the argument, but if you do, at least do it in a way that favours your position. TS's image includes every company that has ever had an electronic device on the wrist before Apple got in the game. This means the shitty Sony and Samsung "smartwatches," what Google has done with Android Wear to beat Apple to market, and every poor attempt by traditional watch makers to "modernize." For example…

    He posted it in reference to the Cartier watches, and not the current crop of smartwatches. Please pay attention. Is Cartier going to change every single one of their watches to look like the Apple Watch?
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  • Reply 263 of 341
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    He posted it in reference to the Cartier watches, and not the current crop of smartwatches. Please pay attention. Is Cartier going to change every single one of their watches to look like the Apple Watch?

    He posted it in response to a troll suggest ?Watch will fail because they don't have a shitload of stupid casing designs. His point still stands. Just check out the links I posted in this thread as to what Nokia was working on when the iPhone launched.
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  • Reply 264 of 341
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    Originally Posted by MidwestAppleFan View Post



    This article started out being about who's afraid of Apple Watch then went way off into left field about Google's lack of worker rights. This author would benefit from learning how to write concise, focused articles. Anyone can drivel on mindlessly. .

     

    Yes, Daniel tends to ramble in his editorials, but since I generally agree with him, I don't mind.  His stuff is entertaining, and he frequently calls out the naysayers explicitly with incontrovertible historical facts to shore up his arguments.  He's certainly biased, but this is an EDITORIAL.  It's no more meant to be even handed, than Fox News is meant to be "fair and balanced."

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    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismy wrote: »
    He posted it in response to a troll suggest ?Watch will fail because they don't have a shitload of stupid casing designs. His point still stands. Just check out the links I posted in this thread as to what Nokia was working on when the iPhone launched.

    The 'troll' said "Cartier is in no immediate danger" (which I happen to agree with), I don't see anything about the Watch failing. The argument isn't whether if the current CE companies making a smart watch are going to survive, but are the mechanical watch makers going to survive? Do you really think the current crop of Cartier watches is in any way similar to the bunch of crappy smartphones that existed pre-iPhone?
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  • Reply 266 of 341
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    I’ve heard that before.

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    So you think this.
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    Is going to change to this?
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  • Reply 267 of 341
    alfiejralfiejr Posts: 1,524member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dave Marsh View Post

     

     

    Yes, Daniel tends to ramble in his editorials, but since I generally agree with him, I don't mind.  His stuff is entertaining, and he frequently calls out the naysayers explicitly with incontrovertible historical facts to shore up his arguments.  He's certainly biased, but this is an EDITORIAL.  It's no more meant to be even handed, than Fox News is meant to be "fair and balanced."




    agreed. but the flagrant double standard where working conditions and environmental concerns are addressed only to Apple while the media totally ignores the same far more egregious circumstances with regard to all the other Asian OEM's and their suppliers is beyond belief. it's sick (and i don't mean hip-cool). and he's right - Google doesn't give a shit about that.

     

    DED should do a whole Editorial on that one topic alone.

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  • Reply 268 of 341
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    The 'troll' said "Cartier is in no immediate danger" (which I happen to agree with), I don't see anything about the Watch failing. The argument isn't whether if the current CE companies making a smart watch are going to survive, but are the mechanical watch makers going to survive? Do you really think the current crop of Cartier watches is in any way similar to the bunch of crappy smartphones that existed pre-iPhone?

    Anyone who can't adapt to changes are in danger. The use of the qualifier "immediate" is pointless. We only have to look at Blackberry and Nokia as examples of companies that thrived because the iPhone came into existence only to find this new growth from new interest in the smartphone market was too be very short-lived due to their inferiority. The danger immediately happened when the paradigm shifted (if not earlier when they started assuming their region would never end), but it only became obvious to the masses when their sales finally started to drop.

    With the traditional watch makers it will be a much, much walk into irrelevancy, but like nearly every job that has come before our time, it will reduced and become a rare or forgotten art. The younger generation aren't going to want to wear a heavy ass piece of equipment on their arm that is only good for telling time… which is why watches stopped being worn those under 40yo in the first place. We'll still see mechanical watches sold and we may even see more sold at the higher price points as a percentage of the total market, but the dam has cracked and it's only a matter of time before it bursts. As Steve Jobs said "death will take care of that."

    Wearable smart CE is coming, and the wrist being a wonderful area for something that needs to be 1) out of the way, 2) in view, and 3) easily accessible with a free hand, it's not likely going to give up that area, even as wearable smart CE moves to other areas of your person. That means 1 of 2 spots will be for ?Watch and its compatriots, that won't be used for an analog or quartz watch. I guess you could use the opposing wrist or put it next to it, but I don't think that's likely.
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  • Reply 269 of 341
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    So you think this.
    400
    Is going to change to this?
    400

    1) :sigh: His comment was obvious. Why try to make it something it's not. I have no doubt you understood it so why are you trolling?

    2) What we'll see (and have already seen) are traditional watch makers trying to bridge the gap, but they have to work a lot harder to go upstream (SW and services) compared to Apple's downstream (fine HW). They will likely try BT and biometrics and other things that can be only a portion of the device and be eschewed by the user so that the traditional watch will still be in place. This will happen with the lower end of the decent watches where Apple will surely have the bulk of their sales. Since Apple doesn't have any super expensive option ($50K+) the top end won't see any hit in terms of purchases, but could see it in terms of usages (i.e: time on arm).
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  • Reply 270 of 341
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,944moderator
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    The 'troll' said "Cartier is in no immediate danger" (which I happen to agree with), I don't see anything about the Watch failing. The argument isn't whether if the current CE companies making a smart watch are going to survive, but are the mechanical watch makers going to survive? Do you really think the current crop of Cartier watches is in any way similar to the bunch of crappy smartphones that existed pre-iPhone?

    Yes, they're pigs, with very expensive lipstick. How is it that people don't see that? Would the people who buy a new Cartier watch for tens of thousands of dollars buy that, even with all the diamonds and gold, if the watch hands failed to move? No. What I'm trying to impress upon the audience here is that there will come a day, not too far in the future, when the basic functionality of a wrist worn device will go beyond what is afforded by a mere timepiece, regardless of the number of carefully crafted complications it contains. There will be a day when the luxury buyer will look upon a $300k timepiece as anachronistic and will demand a $300k smart wrist-worn device. Just like today's horologists would scoff at a wrist-worn sundial.
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  • Reply 271 of 341
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    What I'm trying to impress upon the audience here is that there will come a day, not too far in the future, when the basic functionality of a wrist worn device will go beyond what is afforded by a mere timepiece, regardless of the number of carefully crafted complications it contains.

    Maybe [@]dasanman69[/@] needs a second opinion. Maybe he can contact a luxury leather maker to see how their buggy whip sales are doing these days.
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  • Reply 272 of 341
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismy wrote: »
    1) :sigh: His comment was obvious. Why try to make it something it's not. I have no doubt you understood it so why are you trolling?

    2) What we'll see (and have already seen) are traditional watch makers trying to bridge the gap, but they have to work a lot harder to go upstream (SW and services) compared to Apple's downstream (fine HW). They will likely try BT and biometrics and other things that can be only a portion of the device and be eschewed by the user so that the traditional watch will still be in place. This will happen with the lower end of the decent watches where Apple will surely have the bulk of their sales. Since Apple doesn't have any super expensive option ($50K+) the top end won't see any hit in terms of purchases, but could see it in terms of usages (i.e: time on arm).

    TS is a big boy and can answer for himself, and the watch makers will fail if they try to go that route. Why waste R&D dollars on something you have zero chance catching up to?
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  • Reply 273 of 341
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    TS is a big boy and can answer for himself

    So if TS says 1 + 1 = 2 and you say it isn't, no one can answer? :\
    and the watch makers will fail if they try to go that route. Why waste R&D dollars on something you have zero chance catching up to?

    At least you agree with that.
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  • Reply 274 of 341
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismy wrote: »
    Anyone who can't adapt to changes are in danger. The use of the qualifier "immediate" is pointless. We only have to look at Blackberry and Nokia as examples of companies that thrived because the iPhone came into existence only to find this new growth from new interest in the smartphone market was too be very short-lived due to their inferiority. The danger immediately happened when the paradigm shifted (if not earlier when they started assuming their region would never end), but it only became obvious to the masses when their sales finally started to drop.

    With the traditional watch makers it will be a much, much walk into irrelevancy, but like nearly every job that has come before our time, it will reduced and become a rare or forgotten art. The younger generation aren't going to want to wear a heavy ass piece of equipment on their arm that is only good for telling time… which is why watches stopped being worn those under 40yo in the first place. We'll still see mechanical watches sold and we may even see more sold at the higher price points as a percentage of the total market, but the dam has cracked and it's only a matter of time before it bursts. As Steve Jobs said "death will take care of that."

    Wearable smart CE is coming, and the wrist being a wonderful area for something that needs to be 1) out of the way, 2) in view, and 3) easily accessible with a free hand, it's not likely going to give up that area, even as wearable smart CE moves to other areas of your person. That means 1 of 2 spots will be for ?Watch and its compatriots, that won't be used for an analog or quartz watch. I guess you could use the opposing wrist or put it next to it, but I don't think that's likely.

    Irrelevancy? Hardly, especially since rappers are always talking about Audemar Piguet. Sometimes the best way to beat change is to improve what you do instead of adapting.
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  • Reply 275 of 341
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismy wrote: »
    So if TS says 1 + 1 = 2 and you say it isn't, no one can answer? :\

    I'll at least know what he meant, not what you thought he meant.
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  • Reply 276 of 341
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Irrelevancy? Hardly, especially since rappers are always talking about Audemar Piguet.

    1) Always? What is the last rap song that talks about Audemar Piquet? Was this before or after the ?Watch launched? (Hint: It's before)

    2) I bet you rap songs will mention ?Watch soon enough.
    Sometimes the best way to beat change is to improve what you do instead of adapting.

    :sigh: How the **** is improving on what you do not a change to what you do? And if you're doing it as a reaction to some altered condition you're adapting.
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  • Reply 277 of 341
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Mac_128 View Post

    Until Apple makes a watch line as diverse as this, Cartier is in no immediate danger of going out of business.




     

    I’ve heard that before.

     


    Yep. It'll be that obvious.

     

    And, three years from now, when everyone's moved in Apple's direction, we'll be dissing each other on how everybody knew it was obvious.

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  • Reply 278 of 341
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,454member
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    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post



    Do you really think the current crop of Cartier watches is in any way similar to the bunch of crappy smartphones that existed pre-iPhone?

    Of course they are ... don't you recall before the iPhone, people had a mobile phone for every occasion and coordinating with their outfits -- a solid gold one, a jewel encrusted one, a sport model, and an everyday model. People adorned their bodies with them, just like a high end luxury fashion watch. The smart phone business has so much in common with the watch business, I would think it would be obvious to you. /s

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  • Reply 279 of 341
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismy wrote: »
    Maybe [@]dasanman69[/@] needs a second opinion. Maybe he can contact a luxury leather maker to see how their buggy whip sales are doing these days.
    .

    There's still a market for them. :lol:

    http://www.amish-buggy.com/
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  • Reply 280 of 341
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    mac_128 wrote: »
    Of course they are ... don't you recall before the iPhone, people had a mobile phone for every occasion and coordinating with their outfits -- a solid gold one, a jewel encrusted one, a sport model, and an everyday model. People adorned their bodies with them, just like a high end luxury fashion watch. The smart phone business has so much in common with the watch business, I would think it would be obvious to you. /s

    Aesthetically maybe, but the build quality is bar none. Which is something those smartphones lacked. Jony Ive said designing the Watch was the hardest thing he's done, because he hated the smartphones and tablets that were out at the time but he loves all of his timepieces.
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