I'm curious who is buying Blackberrys at this point.
I do, but you already new that, love them too, my Passport is the best phone I have owned in a while and just upgraded my Porsche Design to the new P'9983 Graphite. Well I didn't buy it, anniversary gift. I will also continue buying from them as long as they produce phones with a keyboard and keep up the excellent work their doing with BB OS. The only other phone that I can't wait for is the new Nokia 1030 with Windows 10 to replace my aging but still lovable 1020. The BlackBerry is still the best phone around for messaging, email and my biggest need, remote terminal server login. I also absolutely love that I can stream a movie to my TV via Miracast and still be able to use the phone.
I do, but you already new that, love them too, my Passport is the best phone I have owned in a while....
Forgive me, but when you repeatedly say you like to use things for the sake of being different, even at the expense of their intrinsic utility, then I can't see your position on technology as reasonable or sound. Note, I'm not against you being different for the sake of being different, wanting to find your individuality by using substandard or atypical tech, feeling that using some uncommon device makes you more interesting, or whatever your excuse is this time for you buying this or that product, I'm against those excuses being used as arguments for an objective viewpoint.
I'm curious who is buying Blackberrys at this point.
I do, but you already new that, love them too, my Passport is the best phone I have owned in a while and just upgraded my Porsche Design to the new P'9983 Graphite. Well I didn't buy it, anniversary gift. I will also continue buying from them as long as they produce phones with a keyboard and keep up the excellent work their doing with BB OS. The only other phone that I can't wait for is the new Nokia 1030 with Windows 10 to replace my aging but still lovable 1020. The BlackBerry is still the best phone around for messaging, email and my biggest need, remote terminal server login. I also absolutely love that I can stream a movie to my TV via Miracast and still be able to use the phone.
Forgive me, but when you repeatedly say you like to use things for the sake of being different, even at the expense of their intrinsic utility, then I can't see your position on technology as reasonable or sound. Note, I'm not against you being different for the sake of being different, wanting to find your individuality by using substandard or atypical tech, feeling that using some uncommon device makes you more interesting, or whatever your excuse is this time for you buying this or that product, I'm against those excuses being used as arguments for an objective viewpoint.
However I actually find utility and true joy within the Passport. I'm not sure why you think the new crop of Blackberry phones are useless, antiquated, whatever but that's just an opinion. I actually work faster and am more comfortable using say a Passport than an iPhone. Actually I could never use an iPhone until Apple starts offering complete multitasking, a file-manager with cloud storage access, able to select default apps and much, much better inner-app communication and sharing. In fact I don't get how other people can live without not being able to run multiple apps in the background, my iPad drives me nuts because of this. Something the BlackBerry does very well and I mentioned this before is run multiple terminal connections to my Unix servers, without any terminations of said connections when I frequently switch apps to do other things. The hardware keyboard is also fantastic when editing scripts or other code. Not to mention that the Blackberry is still the best communications device out there, ie. Emails messaging and video conferencing, my opinion of course. I think if you would actually spend a day or two with the Passport you would change your mind. So look, it's fine that you like your iPhone and it offers everything that your looking for in a phone but I feel the same way about my BlackBerry phones and not just because of it's unique-ness, if that were the case I would be using a Jolla or Ubuntu phone. I also don't use my phones as tablets and as such only need to run a handful of apps, most of which are already preinstalled, so the lack of apps argument falls flat with me. I have everything that I need to work quickly, efficiently and fullfill the tasks that my phone needs to do, in the end that is all that matters, at least to me anyway. This continuous need to belittle every phone on the market simply because it's not an Apple is just silly. Blackberry might not be selling the volume that Apple is but they carved out a nice niche for people like me.
I'm alright, it's still a struggle but I'm in good spirits. I'm driving more now which is something that I truly missed. As a gift for getting out of the hospital, basically surviving my entire family pitched in to get my little 70's Porsche Targa completely restored so I'm having a ball with that. Looks brand new down to the under carriage, everything original except for the stereo unit, which is still a Blaupunkt system but just modern, though I just bought another in dash unit that has a 7" popout display that will be installed next week. Pioneer system but has all of the bells and whistles, I'm also getting rally lighting put on in the front, also an original 1971 option. It should look something like this when done.
Pioneer system, they also make a Car Play system but it unfortunately doesn't fit.
I'm alright, it's still a struggle but I'm in good spirits. I'm driving more now which is something that I truly missed. As a gift for getting out of the hospital, basically surviving my entire family pitched in to get my little 70's Porsche Targa completely restored so I'm having a ball with that. Looks brand new down to the under carriage, everything original except for the stereo unit, which is still a Blaupunkt system but just modern, though I just bought another in dash unit that has a 7" popout display that will be installed next week. Pioneer system but has all of the bells and whistles, I'm also getting rally lighting put on in the front, also an original 1971 option. It should look something like this when done.
Pioneer system, they also make a Car Play system but it unfortunately doesn't fit.
What a lovely car!
I love yellow on a car, if it's the right kind. They say it's the worst colour to have from a selling viewpoint, but I much prefer it to the drab thuggish grey/silver/black/white that everyone has these days. And easy to find when parked! Nice Porsche; I've never seen one quite like that before.
However I actually find utility and true joy within the Passport. I'm not sure why you think the new crop of Blackberry phones are useless, antiquated, whatever but that's just an opinion. I actually work faster and am more comfortable using say a Passport than an iPhone. Actually I could never use an iPhone until Apple starts offering complete multitasking, a file-manager with cloud storage access, able to select default apps and much, much better inner-app communication and sharing. In fact I don't get how other people can live without not being able to run multiple apps in the background, my iPad drives me nuts because of this. Something the BlackBerry does very well and I mentioned this before is run multiple terminal connections to my Unix servers, without any terminations of said connections when I frequently switch apps to do other things. The hardware keyboard is also fantastic when editing scripts or other code. Not to mention that the Blackberry is still the best communications device out there, ie. Emails messaging and video conferencing, my opinion of course. I think if you would actually spend a day or two with the Passport you would change your mind. So look, it's fine that you like your iPhone and it offers everything that your looking for in a phone but I feel the same way about my BlackBerry phones and not just because of it's unique-ness, if that were the case I would be using a Jolla or Ubuntu phone. I also don't use my phones as tablets and as such only need to run a handful of apps, most of which are already preinstalled, so the lack of apps argument falls flat with me. I have everything that I need to work quickly, efficiently and fullfill the tasks that my phone needs to do, in the end that is all that matters, at least to me anyway. This continuous need to belittle every phone on the market simply because it's not an Apple is just silly. Blackberry might not be selling the volume that Apple is but they carved out a nice niche for people like me.
The reason people aren't generally concerned with that is because your use case scenario applies to about 0.00001% of the iPhone market. I mean, Apple sold 75M iPhones in the last quarter alone. How many of those people do you think even know what a script is, let alone have a need for editing them?
I certainly hope they are successful in the transition to a software only company, but it reminds me of a company a while ago with similar plans led by one of the founders of Apple: NeXT.
Blackberry Has some powerful enterprise software expertise. They're not designing and building their own hardware anymore, they are partnering with Samsung. They have a new enterprise relationship with IBM. They are powerful in that market for security and always have been. Their biggest mistake was wasting time on hardware for consumers that isn't profitable. Software and services for corporations and enterprise is profitable and they can lead the way by offering support for other hardware on their platform. If they make mistakes, missteps, and fail to make deadlines as they have in the past it's game over.
The quote above bears to question "who has lead Blackberry that can come back to lead them?" I don't remember too many visionaries of the past that are worth the trouble to invite back.
It's like to see them make a comeback and take 20% of Android market share!!! More competition is a good thing. It's a very, very long shot at this point though.
Not a bad thought, but at those price points, Blackberry will never be able to capture the low end market that samsung dominates. They are trying to go head to head with Apple and samsung's flagship models.
The reason people aren't generally concerned with that is because your use case scenario applies to about 0.00001% of the iPhone market. I mean, Apple sold 75M iPhones in the last quarter alone. How many of those people do you think even know what a script is, let alone have a need for editing them?
So your trying to tell me that most people wouldn't have a use for running multiple apps in the background, not just a terminal app either. I just gave an example of one of things I use multitasking for, amongst the other 20. My iPad or should I say iPads as I have to own more than one just so I can run multiple music creation apps at once would be infinite more useful, if not cheaper if it had full multitasking. There is no reason why it shouldn't have it either, there is now 2GB of RAM and Apple already allows some music and GPS apps to run in the background. Why not all of them, at least give us the feature to decide if we need this. Anyway, I'm not goin to argue this anymore, we both know what we want in a device and I'm just grateful that their are alternative options such as the BlackBerry Passport with BB OS. There is no reason to come down on someone just because they prefer a different platfom for their phone needs.
So your trying to tell me that most people wouldn't have a use for running multiple apps in the background, not just a terminal app either. I just gave an example of one of things I use multitasking for, amongst the other 20. My iPad or should I say iPads as I have to own more than one just so I can run multiple music creation apps at once would be infinite more useful, if not cheaper if it had full multitasking. There is no reason why it shouldn't have it either, there is now 2GB of RAM and Apple already allows some music and GPS apps to run in the background. Why not all of them, at least give us the feature to decide if we need this. Anyway, I'm not goin to argue this anymore, we both know what we want in a device and I'm just grateful that their are alternative options such as the BlackBerry Passport with BB OS. There is no reason to come down on someone just because they prefer a different platfom for their phone needs.
Well, I've owned an iPhone since it was first released, same for the iPad. I can't think of a situation where I thought to myself, "Damn! If only I had full multi-tasking!" *shrug*
I love yellow on a car, if it's the right kind. They say it's the worst colour to have from a selling viewpoint, but I much prefer it to the drab thuggish grey/silver/black/white that everyone has these days. And easy to find when parked! Nice Porsche; I've never seen one quite like that before.
Thank you, I've owned it forever. Though it was stored in my fathers garage for the last decade, so it needed a lot of work. This was my first Porsche but I've leased two since. Unfortunatly kids grew up and could no longer fit in the back so I had to move one to a SUV or the modern mom mobile. I was so happy to see my little Targa renewed body and enterior, I mean everything was done, it looks and runs like the day it came out of the showroom floor. I'm going to the Italian part of Switzerland tomorrow, a three hour drive to get th stereo and rally lights installed, it's going to be an awesome drive, just me and my little bee.
Well, I've owned an iPhone since it was first released, same for the iPad. I can't think of a situation where I thought to myself, "Damn! If only I had full multi-tasking!" *shrug*
My point is that the vast, vast majority of people who own iPhones use them for stuff like texting, taking pictures, showing those pictures to their friends, checking small pieces of data (stock price, e.g.), listening to music while walking or waiting, taking short videos, Twitter, Instagram, checking Facebook, etc. Oh, and making calls. But that's really it.
That's the majority, again. I didn't say that there were not any outlying use cases. Of course there are. But the mere fact that they are so outlying is why Apple doesn't aim their product at those users.
My point is that the vast, vast majority of people who own iPhones use them for stuff like texting, taking pictures, showing those pictures to their friends, checking small pieces of data (stock price, e.g.), listening to music while walking or waiting, taking short videos, Twitter, Instagram, checking Facebook, etc. Oh, and making calls. But that's really it.
That's the majority, again. I didn't say that there were not any outlying use cases. Of course there are. But the mere fact that they are so outlying is why Apple doesn't aim their product at those users.
I still think every user would benefit from full multitasking. Just the other day my daughter showed me a bunch of mixes she did with a DJ app on her iPhone. Pretty cool stuff, I decided to install it on one of my iPads, create a mega mix of my own for when I'm doing housework. The thing is, the app pauses when I move away from it. So I can't say follow a recipe from the Yummy app and listen to my silly mix at once. That sounds like a pretty consumer thing to do. I just installed Edjing on my Nvidia Shield and it works in the background, so no spilled milk over that it's just that because of this shortcoming in iOS I don't use my iPad as much as I would like to. Still my favorite gizmo for music creation but that's pretty much all I use them for. Once Apple does fix this problem I am positive that even you will have a few moments where you'll think to yourself, "oh my gosh, how did I ever live without this for so long". I mean don't you ever want to be able to listen to a video or music from YouTube or VLC, etc. in the background while you work. Like I love listening to Ted speeches on my Kindle in the background all the while surfing/researching about the subject matter being discussed. Again, each to his own and I'm sure if full multitasking as in being able to run whatever you like in the background was available in iOS, a lot of people would use, more than you think.
Just one more example of how cool full multitasking is on a phone, my Passport can display a movie to my TV via Miracast, have a terminal session up that is compiling, say Chromium OS, have my file manager running, backing up files between two NAS devices, installing Real Racing 2, all the while I'm playing Shadow Fighter with a game controller connected via a USB host cable. Having 3GB of RAM really helps in this. Anyway, it's Just one step closer to my dream of inserting my phone into dock and having a full desktop environment come up to the connected monitor, basically what Ubuntu is promising.
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I do, but you already new that, love them too, my Passport is the best phone I have owned in a while and just upgraded my Porsche Design to the new P'9983 Graphite. Well I didn't buy it, anniversary gift. I will also continue buying from them as long as they produce phones with a keyboard and keep up the excellent work their doing with BB OS. The only other phone that I can't wait for is the new Nokia 1030 with Windows 10 to replace my aging but still lovable 1020. The BlackBerry is still the best phone around for messaging, email and my biggest need, remote terminal server login. I also absolutely love that I can stream a movie to my TV via Miracast and still be able to use the phone.
Forgive me, but when you repeatedly say you like to use things for the sake of being different, even at the expense of their intrinsic utility, then I can't see your position on technology as reasonable or sound. Note, I'm not against you being different for the sake of being different, wanting to find your individuality by using substandard or atypical tech, feeling that using some uncommon device makes you more interesting, or whatever your excuse is this time for you buying this or that product, I'm against those excuses being used as arguments for an objective viewpoint.
I'm curious who is buying Blackberrys at this point.
I do, but you already new that, love them too, my Passport is the best phone I have owned in a while and just upgraded my Porsche Design to the new P'9983 Graphite. Well I didn't buy it, anniversary gift. I will also continue buying from them as long as they produce phones with a keyboard and keep up the excellent work their doing with BB OS. The only other phone that I can't wait for is the new Nokia 1030 with Windows 10 to replace my aging but still lovable 1020. The BlackBerry is still the best phone around for messaging, email and my biggest need, remote terminal server login. I also absolutely love that I can stream a movie to my TV via Miracast and still be able to use the phone.
Hope you're doing well, Relic.
However I actually find utility and true joy within the Passport. I'm not sure why you think the new crop of Blackberry phones are useless, antiquated, whatever but that's just an opinion. I actually work faster and am more comfortable using say a Passport than an iPhone. Actually I could never use an iPhone until Apple starts offering complete multitasking, a file-manager with cloud storage access, able to select default apps and much, much better inner-app communication and sharing. In fact I don't get how other people can live without not being able to run multiple apps in the background, my iPad drives me nuts because of this. Something the BlackBerry does very well and I mentioned this before is run multiple terminal connections to my Unix servers, without any terminations of said connections when I frequently switch apps to do other things. The hardware keyboard is also fantastic when editing scripts or other code. Not to mention that the Blackberry is still the best communications device out there, ie. Emails messaging and video conferencing, my opinion of course. I think if you would actually spend a day or two with the Passport you would change your mind. So look, it's fine that you like your iPhone and it offers everything that your looking for in a phone but I feel the same way about my BlackBerry phones and not just because of it's unique-ness, if that were the case I would be using a Jolla or Ubuntu phone. I also don't use my phones as tablets and as such only need to run a handful of apps, most of which are already preinstalled, so the lack of apps argument falls flat with me. I have everything that I need to work quickly, efficiently and fullfill the tasks that my phone needs to do, in the end that is all that matters, at least to me anyway. This continuous need to belittle every phone on the market simply because it's not an Apple is just silly. Blackberry might not be selling the volume that Apple is but they carved out a nice niche for people like me.
I'm alright, it's still a struggle but I'm in good spirits. I'm driving more now which is something that I truly missed. As a gift for getting out of the hospital, basically surviving my entire family pitched in to get my little 70's Porsche Targa completely restored so I'm having a ball with that. Looks brand new down to the under carriage, everything original except for the stereo unit, which is still a Blaupunkt system but just modern, though I just bought another in dash unit that has a 7" popout display that will be installed next week. Pioneer system but has all of the bells and whistles, I'm also getting rally lighting put on in the front, also an original 1971 option. It should look something like this when done.
Pioneer system, they also make a Car Play system but it unfortunately doesn't fit.
What a lovely car!
I love yellow on a car, if it's the right kind. They say it's the worst colour to have from a selling viewpoint, but I much prefer it to the drab thuggish grey/silver/black/white that everyone has these days. And easy to find when parked! Nice Porsche; I've never seen one quite like that before.
However I actually find utility and true joy within the Passport. I'm not sure why you think the new crop of Blackberry phones are useless, antiquated, whatever but that's just an opinion. I actually work faster and am more comfortable using say a Passport than an iPhone. Actually I could never use an iPhone until Apple starts offering complete multitasking, a file-manager with cloud storage access, able to select default apps and much, much better inner-app communication and sharing. In fact I don't get how other people can live without not being able to run multiple apps in the background, my iPad drives me nuts because of this. Something the BlackBerry does very well and I mentioned this before is run multiple terminal connections to my Unix servers, without any terminations of said connections when I frequently switch apps to do other things. The hardware keyboard is also fantastic when editing scripts or other code. Not to mention that the Blackberry is still the best communications device out there, ie. Emails messaging and video conferencing, my opinion of course. I think if you would actually spend a day or two with the Passport you would change your mind. So look, it's fine that you like your iPhone and it offers everything that your looking for in a phone but I feel the same way about my BlackBerry phones and not just because of it's unique-ness, if that were the case I would be using a Jolla or Ubuntu phone. I also don't use my phones as tablets and as such only need to run a handful of apps, most of which are already preinstalled, so the lack of apps argument falls flat with me. I have everything that I need to work quickly, efficiently and fullfill the tasks that my phone needs to do, in the end that is all that matters, at least to me anyway. This continuous need to belittle every phone on the market simply because it's not an Apple is just silly. Blackberry might not be selling the volume that Apple is but they carved out a nice niche for people like me.
The reason people aren't generally concerned with that is because your use case scenario applies to about 0.00001% of the iPhone market. I mean, Apple sold 75M iPhones in the last quarter alone. How many of those people do you think even know what a script is, let alone have a need for editing them?
I certainly hope they are successful in the transition to a software only company, but it reminds me of a company a while ago with similar plans led by one of the founders of Apple: NeXT.
Blackberry Has some powerful enterprise software expertise. They're not designing and building their own hardware anymore, they are partnering with Samsung. They have a new enterprise relationship with IBM. They are powerful in that market for security and always have been. Their biggest mistake was wasting time on hardware for consumers that isn't profitable. Software and services for corporations and enterprise is profitable and they can lead the way by offering support for other hardware on their platform. If they make mistakes, missteps, and fail to make deadlines as they have in the past it's game over.
The quote above bears to question "who has lead Blackberry that can come back to lead them?" I don't remember too many visionaries of the past that are worth the trouble to invite back.
It's like to see them make a comeback and take 20% of Android market share!!! More competition is a good thing. It's a very, very long shot at this point though.
Not a bad thought, but at those price points, Blackberry will never be able to capture the low end market that samsung dominates. They are trying to go head to head with Apple and samsung's flagship models.
So your trying to tell me that most people wouldn't have a use for running multiple apps in the background, not just a terminal app either. I just gave an example of one of things I use multitasking for, amongst the other 20. My iPad or should I say iPads as I have to own more than one just so I can run multiple music creation apps at once would be infinite more useful, if not cheaper if it had full multitasking. There is no reason why it shouldn't have it either, there is now 2GB of RAM and Apple already allows some music and GPS apps to run in the background. Why not all of them, at least give us the feature to decide if we need this. Anyway, I'm not goin to argue this anymore, we both know what we want in a device and I'm just grateful that their are alternative options such as the BlackBerry Passport with BB OS. There is no reason to come down on someone just because they prefer a different platfom for their phone needs.
So your trying to tell me that most people wouldn't have a use for running multiple apps in the background, not just a terminal app either. I just gave an example of one of things I use multitasking for, amongst the other 20. My iPad or should I say iPads as I have to own more than one just so I can run multiple music creation apps at once would be infinite more useful, if not cheaper if it had full multitasking. There is no reason why it shouldn't have it either, there is now 2GB of RAM and Apple already allows some music and GPS apps to run in the background. Why not all of them, at least give us the feature to decide if we need this. Anyway, I'm not goin to argue this anymore, we both know what we want in a device and I'm just grateful that their are alternative options such as the BlackBerry Passport with BB OS. There is no reason to come down on someone just because they prefer a different platfom for their phone needs.
Well, I've owned an iPhone since it was first released, same for the iPad. I can't think of a situation where I thought to myself, "Damn! If only I had full multi-tasking!" *shrug*
Thank you, I've owned it forever. Though it was stored in my fathers garage for the last decade, so it needed a lot of work. This was my first Porsche but I've leased two since. Unfortunatly kids grew up and could no longer fit in the back so I had to move one to a SUV or the modern mom mobile. I was so happy to see my little Targa renewed body and enterior, I mean everything was done, it looks and runs like the day it came out of the showroom floor. I'm going to the Italian part of Switzerland tomorrow, a three hour drive to get th stereo and rally lights installed, it's going to be an awesome drive, just me and my little bee.
Each to his own I guess.
Each to his own I guess.
Of course.
My point is that the vast, vast majority of people who own iPhones use them for stuff like texting, taking pictures, showing those pictures to their friends, checking small pieces of data (stock price, e.g.), listening to music while walking or waiting, taking short videos, Twitter, Instagram, checking Facebook, etc. Oh, and making calls.
But that's really it.
That's the majority, again. I didn't say that there were not any outlying use cases. Of course there are. But the mere fact that they are so outlying is why Apple doesn't aim their product at those users.
I still think every user would benefit from full multitasking. Just the other day my daughter showed me a bunch of mixes she did with a DJ app on her iPhone. Pretty cool stuff, I decided to install it on one of my iPads, create a mega mix of my own for when I'm doing housework. The thing is, the app pauses when I move away from it. So I can't say follow a recipe from the Yummy app and listen to my silly mix at once. That sounds like a pretty consumer thing to do. I just installed Edjing on my Nvidia Shield and it works in the background, so no spilled milk over that it's just that because of this shortcoming in iOS I don't use my iPad as much as I would like to. Still my favorite gizmo for music creation but that's pretty much all I use them for. Once Apple does fix this problem I am positive that even you will have a few moments where you'll think to yourself, "oh my gosh, how did I ever live without this for so long". I mean don't you ever want to be able to listen to a video or music from YouTube or VLC, etc. in the background while you work. Like I love listening to Ted speeches on my Kindle in the background all the while surfing/researching about the subject matter being discussed. Again, each to his own and I'm sure if full multitasking as in being able to run whatever you like in the background was available in iOS, a lot of people would use, more than you think.
Just one more example of how cool full multitasking is on a phone, my Passport can display a movie to my TV via Miracast, have a terminal session up that is compiling, say Chromium OS, have my file manager running, backing up files between two NAS devices, installing Real Racing 2, all the while I'm playing Shadow Fighter with a game controller connected via a USB host cable. Having 3GB of RAM really helps in this. Anyway, it's Just one step closer to my dream of inserting my phone into dock and having a full desktop environment come up to the connected monitor, basically what Ubuntu is promising.
Black and blue.
Sometimes, white and gold.
They sell most of them in Indonesia, their biggest market.
Also in the Philippines and Hong Kong this is widely sold.