[B]Yo chasm[/B], notice how the "selection on merit" criterion suddenly applies to those newly invited to the party, the same party that was always about membership in the ruling ethnic class. Rude, and so self-deluded.
Yo chasm, notice how the "selection on merit" criterion suddenly applies to those newly invited to the party, the same party that was always about membership in the ruling ethnic class. Rude, and so self-deluded.
I'm beyond tired of being legally and openly discriminated against.
It is not the rich that pay for these unjust social engineering policies, but the middle and working class.
My hiring department spends 90% of their time (and millions in company money) scrounging for qualified women and minorities, and turns away countless ready and able white males. I bet your hiring department is operating very similarly.
The overall acceptance and encouragement of these policies throughout the "white world" (nowhere else) leads me to seriously believe a genocidal war is being waged against us, in the belief that world peace and equality can only be achieved through the eradication of whites. The rich, however, will be pardoned.
It's not just some poor people who are white, it's a significant percentage. Hispanic and Black are about 2.5x more in number of poor people than White and Asian but how can 10% just have avoided all the free privilege and are Asians getting the same privilege? There's some privilege in commonality. Mixed race couplings are rare (3% of the population). Getting a job is often about who you know in a business already from your social network:
Segregating groups out by themselves doesn't fix that. If they push up diversity numbers in mixed groups then those people will be able to help others in their social network get jobs but it would still be a socially isolated process and Asian groups have managed to overcome this.
by virtue of having gone to schools with computers, having instructors to train them, going to expensive colleges to hone their skills where whites are favored for scholarships, and not having been murdered by white police as much for just existing so they could attend.
Stats taken over 6 years for arrest-related deaths are here:
98 million arrests, 4,813 deaths. About half were homicide by law enforcement.
1233 white, 937 black, 599 hispanic, 189 other.
White people don't get a free pass into expensive colleges, they have higher incomes. Did Steve Jobs get into an expensive college for free? He slept on the floor and eventually dropped out because his working class parents were struggling to pay his tuition.
Nobody should be excluded from a good education based on their income regardless of race or gender if they have a willingness to learn but as long as there are private education institutions, this will happen.
neglected by, or often sexually harassed by, the good ol' boy network -- when they dare to want to become part of the white inner power circle.
That's like saying there's an Asian power circle or Indian power circle in other countries. Outside of social networking, there's no such network for employees. There's no denying there's sexual harassment and there's also sexual privilege. Attractive people do better:
"The average callback rate was 30% across all of the CVs sent out. For attractive women, it was 54%, and for attractive men, 47%.
Unattractive women had by far the worst results, with a 7% callback rate. Unattractive men had a 26% rate."
This wouldn't be an 'old girls' network though and wouldn't explain why twice as many attractive men are getting job callbacks as unattractive men.
Every problem that needs to be solved should be detailed with expected results and a proposed solution. Given Apple's breakdown of employee numbers vs population, they almost match the population. The biggest deficit is Hispanic workers and women if they want 50/50. Hiring more Hispanic women would be the most effective route forward. Given the demographics of California, they should be able to address that quite easily:
Do you realize that practically every freedom, every medical advance, every technical wonder you see, touch, feel or hear is the product of "some white guy"?
It's quite obvious that you don't know anything about math, science, medicine, technology, engineering and society if you believe that only white people are capable of advancing knowledge and humanity.
if they are part of the 5000 person limit, Apple has screwed up in my mind. I have nothing against programs for youths but lets face it there are thousands of programmers that won't get a chance to attend WWDC this year due to the 5000 person limit. These are people with real jobs, not 13 year olds breaking into the craft.
Look at it this way, as long as those dark kids are at WWDC, you won't be car jacked or mugged by any of them, much less having to stand your ground against them. If these kids interested in programming learn something then they might turn their life around versus default to a life of crime, drug dealing and prostitution.
It's amazing how Apple can do a great thing like provide WWDC scholarships to minority kids (yeah, most kids can afford an expensive developer conference) and someone turns it into a bad thing.
Make you a deal. I won't make up strawman arguments and attribute them to you; and you show me the same courtesy.
I NEVER said, or hinted that ONLY white men are capable of contributing to STEM. Context makes a pretty big contribution to the statement to; I was replying to a bigot that said that white people should sit down and shut up for a couple generations. My statement stands - if it weren't for the hated white man - where would civilization be?
I deal in realities. Here are some basic realities - not all races are identical, not all of them have the same IQ, not all of them are motivated in the same way. If you bother to LOOK around you, look at the various countries on this planet - you will see this is self-evident. India is a poor country, but her people are brilliant, hard working, industrious and despite the lack of natural resources; India's economy is jumping forward in leaps and bounds.
Just a few decades ago, China was a poor agricultural country, best known for making cheap toys. They were barely able to even feed their population.
Crippling a group of races, to "benefit" a select few, is doing no one any favors. It tells the benefactors that they are either too stupid or lazy to succeed on their own; that the only way they can succeed is to lower the bar for them, while raising it for everyone else. This is an artificial system, and is destined for failure. It punishes ambition and encourages sloth.
If you want someone to succeed, you empower them to succeed and get out of their way. You empower them by giving them the SAME opportunities as everyone else, and letting everyone compete on a level playing field. Any other system is racist, by definition.
It's amazing how Apple can do a great thing like provide WWDC scholarships to minority kids (yeah, most kids can afford an expensive developer conference) and someone turn's it into a bad thing.
Why do minorities get a special shot, that no one else is entitled to take? How about something really simple - like, everyone compete and let the best man win?
I would wager that you would never consider using this same metric that you insist is good for STEM, on something mundane as a basketball team. I mean, let's apply your same logic and eliminate all the black players on the team, so they only represent ~13% of the team, that way their population reflects that of the population in the USA.
I think we would both agree that the sports team seems pretty asinine - but the principles are identical. One is about a game, a form of entertainment, and the other is about a career that tens of thousands of people depend upon to raise their families.
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Are you white?
genocidal war?!!!! Oh dear god
Here are some figures on poverty:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/poverty-rates-higher-for-blacks-and-hispanics-than-whites-and-asians/2013/02/20/401e6a6e-7b78-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_story.html
It's not just some poor people who are white, it's a significant percentage. Hispanic and Black are about 2.5x more in number of poor people than White and Asian but how can 10% just have avoided all the free privilege and are Asians getting the same privilege? There's some privilege in commonality. Mixed race couplings are rare (3% of the population). Getting a job is often about who you know in a business already from your social network:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2011/06/07/networking-is-still-the-best-way-to-find-a-job-survey-says/
Segregating groups out by themselves doesn't fix that. If they push up diversity numbers in mixed groups then those people will be able to help others in their social network get jobs but it would still be a socially isolated process and Asian groups have managed to overcome this.
Stats taken over 6 years for arrest-related deaths are here:
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf
98 million arrests, 4,813 deaths. About half were homicide by law enforcement.
1233 white, 937 black, 599 hispanic, 189 other.
White people don't get a free pass into expensive colleges, they have higher incomes. Did Steve Jobs get into an expensive college for free? He slept on the floor and eventually dropped out because his working class parents were struggling to pay his tuition.
Nobody should be excluded from a good education based on their income regardless of race or gender if they have a willingness to learn but as long as there are private education institutions, this will happen.
That's like saying there's an Asian power circle or Indian power circle in other countries. Outside of social networking, there's no such network for employees. There's no denying there's sexual harassment and there's also sexual privilege. Attractive people do better:
http://www.businessinsider.com/beautiful-people-get-more-job-interviews-2013-9
"The average callback rate was 30% across all of the CVs sent out. For attractive women, it was 54%, and for attractive men, 47%.
Unattractive women had by far the worst results, with a 7% callback rate. Unattractive men had a 26% rate."
Another factor is biological:
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/aug/12/managers-avoid-hiring-younger-women-maternity-leave
That's seen as discriminatory but they are focusing on job effectiveness and women do the same thing:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2111709/Females-reluctant-hire-women-children-child-bearing-age.html
This wouldn't be an 'old girls' network though and wouldn't explain why twice as many attractive men are getting job callbacks as unattractive men.
Every problem that needs to be solved should be detailed with expected results and a proposed solution. Given Apple's breakdown of employee numbers vs population, they almost match the population. The biggest deficit is Hispanic workers and women if they want 50/50. Hiring more Hispanic women would be the most effective route forward. Given the demographics of California, they should be able to address that quite easily:
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06000.html
Do you realize that practically every freedom, every medical advance, every technical wonder you see, touch, feel or hear is the product of "some white guy"?
It's quite obvious that you don't know anything about math, science, medicine, technology, engineering and society if you believe that only white people are capable of advancing knowledge and humanity.
if they are part of the 5000 person limit, Apple has screwed up in my mind. I have nothing against programs for youths but lets face it there are thousands of programmers that won't get a chance to attend WWDC this year due to the 5000 person limit. These are people with real jobs, not 13 year olds breaking into the craft.
Look at it this way, as long as those dark kids are at WWDC, you won't be car jacked or mugged by any of them, much less having to stand your ground against them. If these kids interested in programming learn something then they might turn their life around versus default to a life of crime, drug dealing and prostitution.
It's amazing how Apple can do a great thing like provide WWDC scholarships to minority kids (yeah, most kids can afford an expensive developer conference) and someone turns it into a bad thing.
I NEVER said, or hinted that ONLY white men are capable of contributing to STEM. Context makes a pretty big contribution to the statement to; I was replying to a bigot that said that white people should sit down and shut up for a couple generations. My statement stands - if it weren't for the hated white man - where would civilization be?
I deal in realities. Here are some basic realities - not all races are identical, not all of them have the same IQ, not all of them are motivated in the same way. If you bother to LOOK around you, look at the various countries on this planet - you will see this is self-evident. India is a poor country, but her people are brilliant, hard working, industrious and despite the lack of natural resources; India's economy is jumping forward in leaps and bounds.
Just a few decades ago, China was a poor agricultural country, best known for making cheap toys. They were barely able to even feed their population.
Crippling a group of races, to "benefit" a select few, is doing no one any favors. It tells the benefactors that they are either too stupid or lazy to succeed on their own; that the only way they can succeed is to lower the bar for them, while raising it for everyone else. This is an artificial system, and is destined for failure. It punishes ambition and encourages sloth.
If you want someone to succeed, you empower them to succeed and get out of their way. You empower them by giving them the SAME opportunities as everyone else, and letting everyone compete on a level playing field. Any other system is racist, by definition.
It's amazing how Apple can do a great thing like provide WWDC scholarships to minority kids (yeah, most kids can afford an expensive developer conference) and someone turn's it into a bad thing.
Why do minorities get a special shot, that no one else is entitled to take? How about something really simple - like, everyone compete and let the best man win?I would wager that you would never consider using this same metric that you insist is good for STEM, on something mundane as a basketball team. I mean, let's apply your same logic and eliminate all the black players on the team, so they only represent ~13% of the team, that way their population reflects that of the population in the USA.
I think we would both agree that the sports team seems pretty asinine - but the principles are identical. One is about a game, a form of entertainment, and the other is about a career that tens of thousands of people depend upon to raise their families.