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The struggle is real. I feel so terrible for you that you have to suffer through the agony of lossy audio. Those of us who are "fake" music lovers with our disgusting lossy audio are so inferior to your superhuman ears.
Seriously, "audiophiles" and "PC gamers" need to stop it with these delusions of grandeur and realize they aren't better than other people just because they can't properly deal with the epitome of first-world problems. If you are such the audiophile that can hear even the slightest difference in sound quality, why are you subscribing to streaming music at all?
Those are your sensationalized words not mine, along with a heavy dose of ad hominem. I'm not the one saying that the Tidal music service sucks and I'm sorry if you take such great offense to somebody who has a passion for hi-fidelity music. To answer your question, streaming does not necessarily equal lossy.
Apparently I am one of those guys... A music lover. Trust me, I like my iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, iMac, Apple TV, and Apple Watch as much as the next guy, but when it comes to listening to hi-fidelity music none of my Apple products cut it. And neither does the lossy music that you claim is as good as hi-res. If you too are a music lover, you should do yourself a huge favor and go to your local hi-fi shop and listen to a good system. They will help you to understand which part of the listening experience you don't understand based on your uneducated statement.
Lol
Then u should also know an APP on the same phone, computer, tablet, etc. isn't going to change that.
Ah, you're one of those types. You realize that 256kbps AAC is better than you can hear, right? And "HD Streaming" is a load of bunk?
I'll out myself as "one of those, too " I don't judge you for not hearing a difference, but I definately do. Having Tidal as an option doesn't really harm you, and right now I like it better than Beats -- though I'm anxious to see what Apple does with it. I don't understand the "there can only be one" mentality.
Until I can no longer distinguish the difference between a live performance and a recorded one, it does matter.
I'm with you on this, Tidal is a decent app and a promising service. Plus it's owned by musicians, and regardless what one thinks of Jay Z, I feel more affinity for him than the Swedish businessmen busy screwing artists with Spotify.
Whether Beats will improve on what's out there remains to be seen. I doubt Apple intentionally stalled Tidal. Tidal's shaky roll-out has gotten some pretty surprising smack-downs on social media (largely from people who never so much as launched the app), so I suspect Apple is more worried about unhorsing Spotify right now.
I'm looking forward to Beats for sure, but I hope Tidal can get its PR act together. It's nice to see some competition finally in this sector.
I'll out myself as "one of those, too " I don't judge you for not hearing a difference, but I definately do. Having Tidal as an option doesn't really harm you, and right now I like it better than Beats -- though I'm anxious to see what Apple does with it. I don't understand the "there can only be one" mentality.
Beats, Spotify, Pandora, iTunes Radio, who said there had to be one? This service, however, is marketing fluff.
If you are getting approval on a new app, especially one that deals with third party content and copyrights, you're going to see a longer approval process. 10-15 days is normal. You're going to have to deal with that if you want to be on iOS.
Beats, Spotify, Pandora, iTunes Radio, who said there had to be one? This service, however, is marketing fluff.
I like higher quality streams. I don't hear a difference between the others, as all have basically the same quality streams. A company can say scientifically I'm wrong -- or the can charge me more and give me what I'm willing to pay for. Whether it's Tidal or someone else, I'm happy when someone offers what I like.
No one tries to scientifically prove a fifteen dollar hamburger tastes better than a five dollar hamburger. I don't understand the hostility towards those of us who enjoy high end audio.
I like higher quality streams. I don't hear a difference between the others, as all have basically the same quality streams. A company can say scientifically I'm wrong -- or the can charge me more and give me what I'm willing to pay for. Whether it's Tidal or someone else, I'm happy when someone offers what I like.
No one tries to scientifically prove a fifteen dollar hamburger tastes better than a five dollar hamburger. I don't understand the hostility towards those of us who enjoy high end audio.
Bad analogy. A $15 burger is going to have better contents than a $5 one.
He also claims people are organizing a "smear campaign". I think it's just that his service is overpriced beyond what most are willing to pay. It'd be like if someone introduced song downloads for $2.59 each, it's not going to go over well with the vast majority.
Then u should also know an APP on the same phone, computer, tablet, etc. isn't going to change that.
You are correct, and that is why I don't listen to Tidal via an App, but something tells me that isn't going to change the way you feel about Tidal. You are probably already aware of this, but Tidal wasn't created by Jay-Z or any of the artists who stood with him at the re-launch. It was originally launched in 2014 by a company headquartered in Norway.
You are correct, and that is why I don't listen to Tidal via an App, but something tells me that isn't going to change the way you feel about Tidal. You are probably already aware of this, but Tidal wasn't created by Jay-Z or any of the artists who stood with him at the re-launch. It was originally launched in 2014 by a company headquartered in Norway.
Well, having the infamous Benjamin Frost in your sig is not exactly lending credence to your argument.
Until I can no longer distinguish the difference between a live performance and a recorded one, it does matter.
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Those are your sensationalized words not mine, along with a heavy dose of ad hominem. I'm not the one saying that the Tidal music service sucks and I'm sorry if you take such great offense to somebody who has a passion for hi-fidelity music. To answer your question, streaming does not necessarily equal lossy.
No use in arguing about hi-fidelity on these forums. These guys think it's voodoo. I listen to vinyl and to CDs. I can tell the difference. I have vintage Marantz and Sansui solid state amps and I can tell they sound different from my tube McIntosh. That said, I don't think Tidal sucks at all. It sounds better than Spotify or Beats. Then again, my Mac is connected to an outboard DAC and connected to my Sansui AU-999 integrated amp. I listen to streaming music or AAC files when I'm in the car or on the go. But when I'm at home relaxing, I listen to vinyl or CDs with equipment made to make the music the sound as good as possible. Heck, I just upgraded the cartridge on my table to something newer and I can immediately hear the difference. These guys think they know everything. Who the fcuk cares? Let them think they do. I'm not gonna argue. They're the ones missing out.
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What most people think when they read unsubstantial rumors: "This proves what I already believe!" Really, if this site was completely non-profit like Wikipedia and displayed no ads, they might have higher standards about what gets posted.
Those are your sensationalized words not mine, along with a heavy dose of ad hominem. I'm not the one saying that the Tidal music service sucks and I'm sorry if you take such great offense to somebody who has a passion for hi-fidelity music. To answer your question, streaming does not necessarily equal lossy.
Lol
Then u should also know an APP on the same phone, computer, tablet, etc. isn't going to change that.
So once again, Tidal is junk.
I'll out myself as "one of those, too " I don't judge you for not hearing a difference, but I definately do. Having Tidal as an option doesn't really harm you, and right now I like it better than Beats -- though I'm anxious to see what Apple does with it. I don't understand the "there can only be one" mentality.
Certainly not for the consumer.
That was the genius of Jobs.
Find the point of equity for producers and consumers. Create the win-win.
The problems come when one side tries to force their side too heavily.
Maybe if this were the 90's, carter and co. Could sway more folks.
But people have long since wiser up where business models and high tech content are concerned.
So they'll go with what seems more fair.
That is and will continue to be iTunes.
Until I can no longer distinguish the difference between a live performance and a recorded one, it does matter.
I'm with you on this, Tidal is a decent app and a promising service. Plus it's owned by musicians, and regardless what one thinks of Jay Z, I feel more affinity for him than the Swedish businessmen busy screwing artists with Spotify.
Whether Beats will improve on what's out there remains to be seen. I doubt Apple intentionally stalled Tidal. Tidal's shaky roll-out has gotten some pretty surprising smack-downs on social media (largely from people who never so much as launched the app), so I suspect Apple is more worried about unhorsing Spotify right now.
I'm looking forward to Beats for sure, but I hope Tidal can get its PR act together. It's nice to see some competition finally in this sector.
I'll out myself as "one of those, too " I don't judge you for not hearing a difference, but I definately do. Having Tidal as an option doesn't really harm you, and right now I like it better than Beats -- though I'm anxious to see what Apple does with it. I don't understand the "there can only be one" mentality.
Beats, Spotify, Pandora, iTunes Radio, who said there had to be one? This service, however, is marketing fluff.
Actually, Spotify is kicking iTunes but right now. Hence the Beats purchase. And if Apple were to spike anyone's app, it would be that.
Absolute twaddle
What's the day Apple updates apps? Tuesday? Let's see what happens then.
Tidal created for the benefit of the multimillionaire artist stake holders
And who is Spotify or Beats benefiting exactly, starving children?
I like higher quality streams. I don't hear a difference between the others, as all have basically the same quality streams. A company can say scientifically I'm wrong -- or the can charge me more and give me what I'm willing to pay for. Whether it's Tidal or someone else, I'm happy when someone offers what I like.
No one tries to scientifically prove a fifteen dollar hamburger tastes better than a five dollar hamburger. I don't understand the hostility towards those of us who enjoy high end audio.
I like higher quality streams. I don't hear a difference between the others, as all have basically the same quality streams. A company can say scientifically I'm wrong -- or the can charge me more and give me what I'm willing to pay for. Whether it's Tidal or someone else, I'm happy when someone offers what I like.
No one tries to scientifically prove a fifteen dollar hamburger tastes better than a five dollar hamburger. I don't understand the hostility towards those of us who enjoy high end audio.
Bad analogy. A $15 burger is going to have better contents than a $5 one.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/27/business/media/jay-z-counters-reports-of-struggles-at-tidal-music-streaming-service.html?_r=0
He also claims people are organizing a "smear campaign". I think it's just that his service is overpriced beyond what most are willing to pay. It'd be like if someone introduced song downloads for $2.59 each, it's not going to go over well with the vast majority.
You are correct, and that is why I don't listen to Tidal via an App, but something tells me that isn't going to change the way you feel about Tidal. You are probably already aware of this, but Tidal wasn't created by Jay-Z or any of the artists who stood with him at the re-launch. It was originally launched in 2014 by a company headquartered in Norway.
You are correct, and that is why I don't listen to Tidal via an App, but something tells me that isn't going to change the way you feel about Tidal. You are probably already aware of this, but Tidal wasn't created by Jay-Z or any of the artists who stood with him at the re-launch. It was originally launched in 2014 by a company headquartered in Norway.
Well, having the infamous Benjamin Frost in your sig is not exactly lending credence to your argument.
Extremely momentary. Apple doesn't rest on its laurels.
Historically, it's been iTunes and it likely will continue to be because Apple moves with the times.
Until I can no longer distinguish the difference between a live performance and a recorded one, it does matter.
Those are your sensationalized words not mine, along with a heavy dose of ad hominem. I'm not the one saying that the Tidal music service sucks and I'm sorry if you take such great offense to somebody who has a passion for hi-fidelity music. To answer your question, streaming does not necessarily equal lossy.
No use in arguing about hi-fidelity on these forums. These guys think it's voodoo. I listen to vinyl and to CDs. I can tell the difference. I have vintage Marantz and Sansui solid state amps and I can tell they sound different from my tube McIntosh. That said, I don't think Tidal sucks at all. It sounds better than Spotify or Beats. Then again, my Mac is connected to an outboard DAC and connected to my Sansui AU-999 integrated amp. I listen to streaming music or AAC files when I'm in the car or on the go. But when I'm at home relaxing, I listen to vinyl or CDs with equipment made to make the music the sound as good as possible. Heck, I just upgraded the cartridge on my table to something newer and I can immediately hear the difference. These guys think they know everything. Who the fcuk cares? Let them think they do. I'm not gonna argue. They're the ones missing out.
Oh BS. Prove this info, sounds just like someone who owns tidal is spreading rumors because of a bombed launch. I have used tidal and it sucks.
The word "may" is the ultimate weasel word, you can say just about any crap if you preface it by "Apple may"