Some people do not read web pages on their phones. If this is the use case a smaller screen is fine. This just proves that people like me who have been saying we want a full function small screen phone are not a lunatic minority. People vote with their wallets. I think this will act as an incentive for apple to rethink the size lineup and offer three sizes
I wasn't talking about reading books or web pages, just using the phone.
The "improved" interface design combined with the shrinking from the retina display makes it hard for me to use a smaller phone (and read web pages too.) The big screen lets me zoom sufficiently to accommodate.
But I may be considered a border case as I am over 50 and do have presbyopia (and wish Jony Ive's would kick in soon.)
This just proves that people like me who have been saying we want a full function small screen phone are not a lunatic minority. People vote with their wallets. I think this will act as an incentive for apple to rethink the size lineup and offer three sizes
Well, I appreciate your point of view. I was dead set against a bigger screen and would have preordered a more traditional sized iPhone screen if one would have come with all the 6 goodness inside.
After using the 6 I'm completely converted, however. It's size doesn't bother me and I love using in. Sure, I'm over 45, so maybe that plays in...
BUT I hardly think we have enough data to say that people are staying away in droves!! Sales have been off the charts in mind boggling numbers. I imagine that most people who are holding out because of size right now will end up getting the bigger screen and loving it.
That's not to say that I wouldn't be happy for Apple to return to the smaller screen for those who really want it, but I don't think that the numbers (yet) prove that there is a massive holdout for a small screen...
This just proves that people like me who have been saying we want a full function small screen phone are not a lunatic minority. People vote with their wallets. I think this will act as an incentive for apple to rethink the size lineup and offer three sizes
What proves what?
I guess you attribute the "low" %20 upgrade number as a negative indication.
Perhaps you are correct in thinking some folks don't like the slightly larger 6, but that has nothing to do with these "record sales numbers."
As I've pointed out %20 is is right on track. If anything the huge sales numbers will convince Apple they are on a better track with the 6 than with previous phones..
Cook didn't answer when he was asked what the situation was last year. It does seem low, even more so when he said low teens at the last call had updated. So just 5-7 % increase?
It's clearly good news because it means many if not most buyers of the iPhone 6 are switchers or first time users of iPhones.
So, 20% this quarter and nearly that last quarter...people are still upgrading. If most current users hold onto their iPhones for two years, the nymbers look right to me. Then you have a group of buyers that hold out for the "s" version... While the purchasers are starting to be spread out all over the calendar, there are still a massive number that want to buy the day of the new iPhone release.
Apple can expect to see a lot of switchers through out the whole year because it's not certain just when a droid's gonna die...
Wow. That is shockingly low. I am really surprised that there are not more upgrades to the 6 at this point. I would have expected at least 40% ... what was the iPhone 5 percentage at the same time?
Wonder what percentage of Samsung users have upgraded to a S6/S6 Edge?
20% is understandable. I was poised to upgrade when the 6 / 6 plus came out, but there's no way I'm walking around with a behemoth phone in my hand. If I decide to upgrade this year -- and Apple doesn't make a smaller version of the next iPhone -- I will buy an unlocked 5S.
I was ready for the iP6. Then I saw the iP6+ and after a couple weeks of back-and-forth, I went for the iP6+ and couldn't be happier. I do have large hands so it's a better fit for me. The regular iP6 is not that big compared to the 5S. Sure it's bigger, but I wouldn't necessarily call it a "behemoth".
I have my old iP5 sitting on my desk gathering dust until I decide what I want to do with it. Just looking at it nowadays, it seems like a tiny snicker-bar compared to my iP6+. No way would I go back to such a small screen size. To each their own though.
I'm actually moving down to a 5s. I can't stand the power button directly across the volume button on the iphone 6. ApplePay was keeping me on the 6, but now with the 5s and watch, no need!
Anecdotally, I noticed 4 different people today still using "old" iPhones. Each time I thought, "this guy/girl strikes me a a person who would love a 6 and could afford an upgrade. It's just a mater of time..."
I believe this easily. Apple is no where near saturation with 6s. And with emerging markets, well, emerging--Apple is beating the cycle!!
It could be because the iPhone 6 is significantly larger. I've met lots of people who usually upgrade regularly but don't like the new design and are waiting it out. I personally wish I could still buy an iPhone 5S 64GB to upgrade from my 5.
If the iPhone 6 were paper thin, it would still be too big to fit many people's hands.
maybe not all iPhone 5 users dont need to upgrade every year like the hardcore 20% who are fans of Apple. Additionally, its not too big for peoples hands thats why its the best selling smartphone on the market.
maybe not all iPhone 5 users dont need to upgrade every year like the hardcore 20% who are fans of Apple. Additionally, its not too big for peoples hands thats why its the best selling smartphone on the market.
That's not really the point. The point is the adoption rate of current iPhone owners is lower than expected. Android has had phablets forever, so it's not surprising that those owners switched to the superior iOS. 61MM could've been 100MM if the size didn't change so dramatically IMO.
Thinness isn't the issue here. I find the latest models uncomfortably thin.
That's not really the point. The point is the adoption rate of current iPhone owners is lower than expected. Android has had phablets forever, so it's not surprising that those owners switched to the superior iOS. 61MM could've been 100MM if the size didn't change so dramatically IMO.
tell me what is expected? Also tell me are these quarterly numbers or in total since the iPhone 6's release
Yeah like thinness has anything to do with the current iPhones being too big.
Honestly I'm waiting for the day when iPhone and Apple watch are the same thing. Literally a Dick Tracy type watch. Something like that would go great with an iPad.
i was thinking the same thing after having the watch for a week. I think an Apple Watch bluetooth headphones and an iPad satisfies all my needs.
Apple CEO Tim Cook on Monday revealed about 20 percent of active iPhone users have upgraded to the company's latest iPhone 6 or iPhone 6 Plus hardware, leaving room for growth.
According to the Q2 conference call notes on AI, that number was closer to 30% last year.
Two factors. 1. Many people are tied to two-year contracts. So, if like me, you bought a 5 early on, your contract was over in time to get a 6. If you're on the "S" cycle, your 2-year contract is over some time this year and you will upgrade to the models introduced next fall.
2. Unlike most people who are on sites like AI, many people are not anal about having the newest phone at all times. They will stick with their phone until it breaks or until it doesn't do something they want, that the newer phones do.
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See, 80% of iPhone users don't want a bigger phone.
Some people do not read web pages on their phones. If this is the use case a smaller screen is fine. This just proves that people like me who have been saying we want a full function small screen phone are not a lunatic minority. People vote with their wallets. I think this will act as an incentive for apple to rethink the size lineup and offer three sizes
I wasn't talking about reading books or web pages, just using the phone.
The "improved" interface design combined with the shrinking from the retina display makes it hard for me to use a smaller phone (and read web pages too.) The big screen lets me zoom sufficiently to accommodate.
But I may be considered a border case as I am over 50 and do have presbyopia (and wish Jony Ive's would kick in soon.)
Is that when you're afraid of the President or of Presbyterians? I can never remember
Well, I appreciate your point of view. I was dead set against a bigger screen and would have preordered a more traditional sized iPhone screen if one would have come with all the 6 goodness inside.
After using the 6 I'm completely converted, however. It's size doesn't bother me and I love using in. Sure, I'm over 45, so maybe that plays in...
BUT I hardly think we have enough data to say that people are staying away in droves!! Sales have been off the charts in mind boggling numbers. I imagine that most people who are holding out because of size right now will end up getting the bigger screen and loving it.
That's not to say that I wouldn't be happy for Apple to return to the smaller screen for those who really want it, but I don't think that the numbers (yet) prove that there is a massive holdout for a small screen...
What proves what?
I guess you attribute the "low" %20 upgrade number as a negative indication.
Perhaps you are correct in thinking some folks don't like the slightly larger 6, but that has nothing to do with these "record sales numbers."
As I've pointed out %20 is is right on track. If anything the huge sales numbers will convince Apple they are on a better track with the 6 than with previous phones..
Thats not true at all. The iPhone 6 has a smaller footprint compared to my 5s. People need to factor in thinness.
If the iPhone 6 were paper thin, it would still be too big to fit many people's hands.
Is that when you're afraid of the President or of Presbyterians? I can never remember
It's when your afraid of "the President," or of "Presbyterians," or any other words written in less than 12 point type!
Cook didn't answer when he was asked what the situation was last year. It does seem low, even more so when he said low teens at the last call had updated. So just 5-7 % increase?
It's clearly good news because it means many if not most buyers of the iPhone 6 are switchers or first time users of iPhones.
So, 20% this quarter and nearly that last quarter...people are still upgrading. If most current users hold onto their iPhones for two years, the nymbers look right to me. Then you have a group of buyers that hold out for the "s" version... While the purchasers are starting to be spread out all over the calendar, there are still a massive number that want to buy the day of the new iPhone release.
Apple can expect to see a lot of switchers through out the whole year because it's not certain just when a droid's gonna die...
Wonder what percentage of Samsung users have upgraded to a S6/S6 Edge?
20% is understandable. I was poised to upgrade when the 6 / 6 plus came out, but there's no way I'm walking around with a behemoth phone in my hand. If I decide to upgrade this year -- and Apple doesn't make a smaller version of the next iPhone -- I will buy an unlocked 5S.
I was ready for the iP6. Then I saw the iP6+ and after a couple weeks of back-and-forth, I went for the iP6+ and couldn't be happier. I do have large hands so it's a better fit for me. The regular iP6 is not that big compared to the 5S. Sure it's bigger, but I wouldn't necessarily call it a "behemoth".
I have my old iP5 sitting on my desk gathering dust until I decide what I want to do with it. Just looking at it nowadays, it seems like a tiny snicker-bar compared to my iP6+. No way would I go back to such a small screen size. To each their own though.
Anecdotally, I noticed 4 different people today still using "old" iPhones. Each time I thought, "this guy/girl strikes me a a person who would love a 6 and could afford an upgrade. It's just a mater of time..."
I believe this easily. Apple is no where near saturation with 6s. And with emerging markets, well, emerging--Apple is beating the cycle!!
It could be because the iPhone 6 is significantly larger. I've met lots of people who usually upgrade regularly but don't like the new design and are waiting it out. I personally wish I could still buy an iPhone 5S 64GB to upgrade from my 5.
I would be first in line to upgrade if there was a 4 inch screen version
I agree.
I think there is an untapped market of people who want a high-end phone with a 4" screen but are no longer being catered for by any manufacturer.
That's not really the point. The point is the adoption rate of current iPhone owners is lower than expected. Android has had phablets forever, so it's not surprising that those owners switched to the superior iOS. 61MM could've been 100MM if the size didn't change so dramatically IMO.
Two factors. 1. Many people are tied to two-year contracts. So, if like me, you bought a 5 early on, your contract was over in time to get a 6. If you're on the "S" cycle, your 2-year contract is over some time this year and you will upgrade to the models introduced next fall.
2. Unlike most people who are on sites like AI, many people are not anal about having the newest phone at all times. They will stick with their phone until it breaks or until it doesn't do something they want, that the newer phones do.