Thanks you early adopters who can not wait to be the first to install an update, you saved me from being fustrated that something was no longer working, which work well before.
Not sure how Apple QA missed this one, this seems obvious to and easy to check. I guess Apple did not allow people to use it for a little while before handling it out to the rest of us.
no; you dont really understand how software development works. the reality is that in any system of a high level of sophistication or complexity, there are multiple variables at play. often variables that developers didn't experience or expect. it's rarely the case that some bit of code gets pushed into a release branch w/o testing and boom, everybody's hosed. no. instead, it goes thru testing, but the testing environments dont (for whatever reason) reproduce the environment found in the wild, where the sample size of available variables goes much higher. thats when production bugs get discovered.
Can anyone who has a Watch tell me if it picks up the heart rate if worn face down instead of face up on the wrist? I am considering getting a Watch but I hear there are issues if you try to wear the Watch on the underside of the wrist instead of over the top. Thanks.
Interesting question!
I just did, and yes it does (took about 20 seconds; 72 BPM, when the 'regular' side showed 74 BPM).
My AW is still "processing" but my wife's 38mm SG sport delivered a week or ago. She reports that the activity tracker is extremely unreliable (both before and after the update to 1.0.1) having completed quite a few hour+ workouts with AW reporting only a few minutes of activity. Her evaluation of AW as a fitness tracker: "it sucks." I've suggested we try to "calibration" procedure posted on the Apple site. Will report any improvement.
The finger isn't where the watch is designed to do the measurement so that would surely mess up the data.
Your pulse rate doesn't change in different parts of your body. I could understand if it read very low because it couldn't pick up the pulse from my finger, but it read super high. And judging from the other posts, there are definitely other problems. I'm sure they'll eventually get it straightened out, but if I had bought the watch primarily as a health tracking device, I'd probably be pretty upset.
no; you dont really understand how software development works. the reality is that in any system of a high level of sophistication or complexity, there are multiple variables at play. often variables that developers didn't experience or expect. it's rarely the case that some bit of code gets pushed into a release branch w/o testing and boom, everybody's hosed. no. instead, it goes thru testing, but the testing environments dont (for whatever reason) reproduce the environment found in the wild, where the sample size of available variables goes much higher. thats when production bugs get discovered.
Actually I do, I have worked for hardware and software tech companies for more years than I wish to admit. The fact one of the primary functions of the watch is heart monitoring it should have been checked before it was release. This is not some odd use cases which some time get miss and it takes user feedback to find out about.
Heart rate tracking every 10 minutes, like clockwork.
When exercising, heart rate tracking more frequent.
Very accurate, no false reports.
After the Software Update
Extremely irregular heart rate tracking. Sometimes 2 or 3 times in the same minute. Sometimes every 20 or 30 minutes. Sometimes hours will go by without any tracking.
NO tracking at all when I went on a 5 mile run this morning. Immediately after, I manually forced a heart rate check, and it gave a 41 BPM reading. (it should have been around 108)
No other variables have changed. I wear the watch the same way. Use it the same way. Watch and iPhone configuration has remained the same.
To add to all of this, I called AppleCare, and the rep told me the first thing we should try is turning the phone off and on again. If that doesn't work, completely erase/reset the phone. What is this......windows vista?!?!??! And the rep had no idea what the normal heart rate check interval should be.....said he would have to look that up.
Have advised my wife to restart both iPhone and AW to see if that helps. She has done many hours of workout, yet AW records only a few minutes. Calibration did not help.
Have advised my wife to restart both iPhone and AW to see if that helps. She has done many hours of workout, yet AW records only a few minutes. Calibration did not help.
...and a 10 minute workout recorded at 3 minutes of activity. Wife's eval of AW as a fitness tracker: "it sucks."
...and a 10 minute workout recorded at 3 minutes of activity. Wife's eval of AW as a fitness tracker: "it sucks."
Sounds like someone needs to stop pretending 7 minutes of lying on the floor between 3 minutes of workout counts as part of the workout. Tim Cook's Apple Watch isn't accepting any excuses, drop and give it 50.
There's pluses and minuses to over or underestimating the activity. If it's over then people will probably feel better about themselves but do less activity. If it's under then people will start to hate the watch but might exercise more. This was what happened with Wii Fit:
"I hate Wii fit so much. Sure, it indirectly helped me lose 10 pounds, but I f'ing hate it.
Over a few sessions of playing the game, I started what would eventually be, more or less, the kind of body obsession assumed normal for performance athletes and underwear models, coupled with the kind of inferiority complex that one gets when you can't beat a video game, coupled with the resentment one builds towards machines that don't do your meatbot bidding. I mean, I could have dismissed the measurement tell me I was fat - BMI (Body Mass Index) is a crude stat based on height and weight that can't tell a fat person from a really really muscular medium husky guy. The problem is, Wii fit doesn't give a crap about your excuses or perceptions either. It assumed I really wasn't that muscular short guy, it assumed I was a medium husky with a little belly. And it was right."
It's not like you can hide from the Apple Watch either, it's right there strapped to you. They should make Siri give out sarcastic remarks after every weak fitness attempt. 'oh you're only going to do 10 minutes of exercise today, I'll go ahead and order some larger pants for you from Amazon, would you like some cake with them?'.
Sounds like someone needs to stop pretending 7 minutes of lying on the floor between 3 minutes of workout counts as part of the workout. Tim Cook's Apple Watch isn't accepting any excuses, drop and give it 50.
There's pluses and minuses to over or underestimating the activity. If it's over then people will probably feel better about themselves but do less activity. If it's under then people will start to hate the watch but might exercise more. This was what happened with Wii Fit:
"I hate Wii fit so much. Sure, it indirectly helped me lose 10 pounds, but I f'ing hate it.
Over a few sessions of playing the game, I started what would eventually be, more or less, the kind of body obsession assumed normal for performance athletes and underwear models, coupled with the kind of inferiority complex that one gets when you can't beat a video game, coupled with the resentment one builds towards machines that don't do your meatbot bidding. I mean, I could have dismissed the measurement tell me I was fat - BMI (Body Mass Index) is a crude stat based on height and weight that can't tell a fat person from a really really muscular medium husky guy. The problem is, Wii fit doesn't give a crap about your excuses or perceptions either. It assumed I really wasn't that muscular short guy, it assumed I was a medium husky with a little belly. And it was right."
It's not like you can hide from the Apple Watch either, it's right there strapped to you. They should make Siri give out sarcastic remarks after every weak fitness attempt. 'oh you're only going to do 10 minutes of exercise today, I'll go ahead and order some larger pants for you from Amazon, would you like some cake with them?'.
Well....no. My wife is an athlete, and works out daily (often several times a day.) What is clearly happening is that her AW is simply not picking up her heart rate. The 10 minute test was just that - she went for a 10 minute run, and AW saw it as 3 an intermittent minutes (not like it took 7 minutes to get her HR up.) She has no tattoo, and the watch is wearably secure on her wrist. It is clear that the device simply is not working as advertised.
Now...it could be the widely reported 1.0.1 update to the HR sensor. It could also be that she needs a restart of the iPhone and AW. But here's a data point: my wife's AW isn't delivering on a feature widely touted. Maybe it will get fixed.
Now...it could be the widely reported 1.0.1 update to the HR sensor. It could also be that she needs a restart of the iPhone and AW. But here's a data point: my wife's AW isn't delivering on a feature widely touted. Maybe it will get fixed.
[u] Restart of iPhone and AW seems to have resulted in the HR sensor taking readings more often - like once every 10 minutes. Not sure if this is normal. It was only recording a few times a day.
Cramming through the updates at Cupertino? Like the latest iOS update which has a lot of problems, like not being able to connect to wifi networks (rebooting iOS device helps).
no problems here. maybe theres an .isTroll config setting set to true on yours?
Great just spoke to apple and it sounds like they are not saying that this is as designed and that they will no longer support heart rates monitoring every 10 mins... Whats the most frustrating is that I had no issue with battery life before this change. I want them to just reenable this so it was like when i purchase the first version.
I was in an Apple Store last week and put my finger under the watch. It claimed my pulse rate was 163 bpm. I was excited to see the watch, but not that excited. think I'd be dead of that were the case. I don't know if the OS update had been run on those watches and I don't know if there is any kind of calibration procedure, but that number was obviously way wrong. My pulse rate is normally in the 70s.
Actually I do, I have worked for hardware and software tech companies for more years than I wish to admit. The fact one of the primary functions of the watch is heart monitoring it should have been checked before it was release. This is not some odd use cases which some time get miss and it takes user feedback to find out about.
you dont know that. if you go onto the threads you'll see plenty of people who say "works fine for me!" which means it isn't some stone-stupid, universal bug that those goofballs at apple let slide out the door.
that fact that you think they didn't check it before releasing it tells me that despite your years, you dont understand how bugs come into being.
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no; you dont really understand how software development works. the reality is that in any system of a high level of sophistication or complexity, there are multiple variables at play. often variables that developers didn't experience or expect. it's rarely the case that some bit of code gets pushed into a release branch w/o testing and boom, everybody's hosed. no. instead, it goes thru testing, but the testing environments dont (for whatever reason) reproduce the environment found in the wild, where the sample size of available variables goes much higher. thats when production bugs get discovered.
Can anyone who has a Watch tell me if it picks up the heart rate if worn face down instead of face up on the wrist? I am considering getting a Watch but I hear there are issues if you try to wear the Watch on the underside of the wrist instead of over the top. Thanks.
Interesting question!
I just did, and yes it does (took about 20 seconds; 72 BPM, when the 'regular' side showed 74 BPM).
My AW is still "processing" but my wife's 38mm SG sport delivered a week or ago. She reports that the activity tracker is extremely unreliable (both before and after the update to 1.0.1) having completed quite a few hour+ workouts with AW reporting only a few minutes of activity. Her evaluation of AW as a fitness tracker: "it sucks." I've suggested we try to "calibration" procedure posted on the Apple site. Will report any improvement.
2. Hire Lawyer
3. File class action lawsuit
4. Profit.
The finger isn't where the watch is designed to do the measurement so that would surely mess up the data.
Your pulse rate doesn't change in different parts of your body. I could understand if it read very low because it couldn't pick up the pulse from my finger, but it read super high. And judging from the other posts, there are definitely other problems. I'm sure they'll eventually get it straightened out, but if I had bought the watch primarily as a health tracking device, I'd probably be pretty upset.
Actually I do, I have worked for hardware and software tech companies for more years than I wish to admit. The fact one of the primary functions of the watch is heart monitoring it should have been checked before it was release. This is not some odd use cases which some time get miss and it takes user feedback to find out about.
Exact same issue here.
Before the Software Update
After the Software Update
No other variables have changed. I wear the watch the same way. Use it the same way. Watch and iPhone configuration has remained the same.
To add to all of this, I called AppleCare, and the rep told me the first thing we should try is turning the phone off and on again. If that doesn't work, completely erase/reset the phone. What is this......windows vista?!?!??! And the rep had no idea what the normal heart rate check interval should be.....said he would have to look that up.
but ... beware of the placebo effect!
Have advised my wife to restart both iPhone and AW to see if that helps. She has done many hours of workout, yet AW records only a few minutes. Calibration did not help.
Have advised my wife to restart both iPhone and AW to see if that helps. She has done many hours of workout, yet AW records only a few minutes. Calibration did not help.
...and a 10 minute workout recorded at 3 minutes of activity. Wife's eval of AW as a fitness tracker: "it sucks."
Sounds like someone needs to stop pretending 7 minutes of lying on the floor between 3 minutes of workout counts as part of the workout. Tim Cook's Apple Watch isn't accepting any excuses, drop and give it 50.
There's pluses and minuses to over or underestimating the activity. If it's over then people will probably feel better about themselves but do less activity. If it's under then people will start to hate the watch but might exercise more. This was what happened with Wii Fit:
http://gizmodo.com/5083987/the-wii-fit-review-six-months-later
"I hate Wii fit so much. Sure, it indirectly helped me lose 10 pounds, but I f'ing hate it.
Over a few sessions of playing the game, I started what would eventually be, more or less, the kind of body obsession assumed normal for performance athletes and underwear models, coupled with the kind of inferiority complex that one gets when you can't beat a video game, coupled with the resentment one builds towards machines that don't do your meatbot bidding. I mean, I could have dismissed the measurement tell me I was fat - BMI (Body Mass Index) is a crude stat based on height and weight that can't tell a fat person from a really really muscular medium husky guy. The problem is, Wii fit doesn't give a crap about your excuses or perceptions either. It assumed I really wasn't that muscular short guy, it assumed I was a medium husky with a little belly. And it was right."
https://www.facebook.com/pages/I-hate-it-when-Wii-Fit-makes-me-feel-fat-by-saying-OH/109904942368782
It's not like you can hide from the Apple Watch either, it's right there strapped to you. They should make Siri give out sarcastic remarks after every weak fitness attempt. 'oh you're only going to do 10 minutes of exercise today, I'll go ahead and order some larger pants for you from Amazon, would you like some cake with them?'.
Sounds like someone needs to stop pretending 7 minutes of lying on the floor between 3 minutes of workout counts as part of the workout. Tim Cook's Apple Watch isn't accepting any excuses, drop and give it 50.
There's pluses and minuses to over or underestimating the activity. If it's over then people will probably feel better about themselves but do less activity. If it's under then people will start to hate the watch but might exercise more. This was what happened with Wii Fit:
http://gizmodo.com/5083987/the-wii-fit-review-six-months-later
"I hate Wii fit so much. Sure, it indirectly helped me lose 10 pounds, but I f'ing hate it.
Over a few sessions of playing the game, I started what would eventually be, more or less, the kind of body obsession assumed normal for performance athletes and underwear models, coupled with the kind of inferiority complex that one gets when you can't beat a video game, coupled with the resentment one builds towards machines that don't do your meatbot bidding. I mean, I could have dismissed the measurement tell me I was fat - BMI (Body Mass Index) is a crude stat based on height and weight that can't tell a fat person from a really really muscular medium husky guy. The problem is, Wii fit doesn't give a crap about your excuses or perceptions either. It assumed I really wasn't that muscular short guy, it assumed I was a medium husky with a little belly. And it was right."
https://www.facebook.com/pages/I-hate-it-when-Wii-Fit-makes-me-feel-fat-by-saying-OH/109904942368782
It's not like you can hide from the Apple Watch either, it's right there strapped to you. They should make Siri give out sarcastic remarks after every weak fitness attempt. 'oh you're only going to do 10 minutes of exercise today, I'll go ahead and order some larger pants for you from Amazon, would you like some cake with them?'.
Well....no. My wife is an athlete, and works out daily (often several times a day.) What is clearly happening is that her AW is simply not picking up her heart rate. The 10 minute test was just that - she went for a 10 minute run, and AW saw it as 3 an intermittent minutes (not like it took 7 minutes to get her HR up.) She has no tattoo, and the watch is wearably secure on her wrist. It is clear that the device simply is not working as advertised.
Now...it could be the widely reported 1.0.1 update to the HR sensor. It could also be that she needs a restart of the iPhone and AW. But here's a data point: my wife's AW isn't delivering on a feature widely touted. Maybe it will get fixed.
Now...it could be the widely reported 1.0.1 update to the HR sensor. It could also be that she needs a restart of the iPhone and AW. But here's a data point: my wife's AW isn't delivering on a feature widely touted. Maybe it will get fixed.
[u] Restart of iPhone and AW seems to have resulted in the HR sensor taking readings more often - like once every 10 minutes. Not sure if this is normal. It was only recording a few times a day.
Cramming through the updates at Cupertino? Like the latest iOS update which has a lot of problems, like not being able to connect to wifi networks (rebooting iOS device helps).
no problems here. maybe theres an .isTroll config setting set to true on yours?
I'm working on it. Thanks.
told buy apple this is not the correct behaviour !!! very frustrating
RTFM
you dont know that. if you go onto the threads you'll see plenty of people who say "works fine for me!" which means it isn't some stone-stupid, universal bug that those goofballs at apple let slide out the door.
that fact that you think they didn't check it before releasing it tells me that despite your years, you dont understand how bugs come into being.