True mobility is the iPad. 4.7" is useless to the majority of iPad owners. 6 Plus is never targeted to be an iPad killer and it won't be.
It's doing just that.
Apple doesn't even care about the iPad line like they did in 2010. iPads are even weaker than iPhone 6 Plus. Sad.
How the heck is the post-PC era supposed to move forward?
Yes, please. I did not buy an iPhone 6 because both models and form factors are just too big for me. I bought an iPhone 5s instead after the iPhone 6 came out. Yet the iPhone 5 is also too big for me; the iPhone 4 was the optimal size. I want a device that can fit in a standard shirt breast pocket and which I can hold and operate entirely with one hand. That's the iPhone 4 form factor. The iPhone 5 form factor is barely acceptable on that account. If Apple comes out with a new 4-inch phone, I'll buy it.
iPhone 4s is 3.5". A thinner 4" iPhone should fit perfectly in your pocket.
I see less bezel in future iPhones. If camera and mic components get smaller you can bet you'll get more screen and smaller iPhones.
Apple wants to combine speaker grill and camera. If they can do that and make the entire bottom bezel TouchID and Force Touch capable, they can remove the home button and cut the bottom bezel in half. You'll soon have a 4th gen iPod-touch-sized iPhone with a 4" screen.
Which would look STUNNING!
It seems strange Apple is introducing two NEW iPhone at the same time. By new i mean new design. The 5c is considered new, and 5s introduce at the time was a upgrade to 5.
But iPhone 7 will or should be a new design. So having a 7c along side it doesn't make much sense, as it will diverge the attention of potential buyers.
Yes, please. I did not buy an iPhone 6 because both models and form factors are just too big for me. I bought an iPhone 5s instead after the iPhone 6 came out. Yet the iPhone 5 is also too big for me; the iPhone 4 was the optimal size. I want a device that can fit in a standard shirt breast pocket and which I can hold and operate entirely with one hand. That's the iPhone 4 form factor. The iPhone 5 form factor is barely acceptable on that account. If Apple comes out with a new 4-inch phone, I'll buy it.
The iPhone4 was my favorite design because of the glass back.
iPad has a weaker camera, no NFC and comparable specs but requires more power to allocate images around the bigger screen.
There's NO EXCUSE, for the size of iPad and Apple driving it as a post PC device when announced it should be a ton more powerful.
Sales:
I get this data from facts, forums and logic. Half the people with a 6 Plus have mentioned skipping the iPad "thanks" to the 6 Plus.
IPad sales have declined.
Had the iPad been a workhorse like it should be, we would see better sales. Obviously. Which is why an "iPad Pro" is a great idea.
Mac_128 asked you for facts to backup your statement, you came back with your "opinions" to back up one of your "opinions", which completely discredits you. Although iPad sales have been declining, it's actually the rate of growth that is declining, but sales are still healthy and marching forward, according to Apple's numbers. Apple does not break down sales numbers of the iPhone line by model, so you have ZERO basis to make statements like these. Makes you look just as bad as Wall Street anal-ysts.
Unfortunately Apple don't cater to the 1%. Given the tremendous success of the 6 and the number of switchers from Android (highly likely due to the screen size) I doubt Apple will ever go back to smaller screens. At least not on the high end anyhow.
Ah, more data. I didn't realize there were studies that showed only 1% of the mobile phone market were interested in phones less than 4.7" in size. I don't suppose you have a source or that?
Ah, more data. I didn't realize there were studies that showed only 1% of the mobile phone market were interested in phones less than 4.7" in size. I don't suppose you have a source or that?
Actually I was being generous with 1%, the fact that Apple chose not to release an IP6 in 4.7" tells us that Apple is not interested.
I don't want them to come out with a new 4", I live for the tears of whiners. /s
People need to try the 4.7", not assume it's too big.
Switched from a 5S to a 6+ the week it launched, found the size uncomfortable and exchanged it for a 6, expecting to get used to it. I've had it for eight months, and still find the 5 series vastly more comfortable in the pocket and hand. I'll probably be switching carriers later this year, and when I do I'll be going back to the 5S.
I'm not against large screens, just large phones. I've tried few Android phones (the Nexus 5, the HTC One, and a couple from LG and Samsung) with 4.7/5+ inch screens that were far less unwieldy than iPhones due to their thinner top and bottom bezels. Apple's insistence on symmetrical, proportional bezels across all sizes needs to be reexamined, the same way the chose to switch to tapered edges with the size bump. For me, the larger bottom bezels of the 6 and 6+ make the far corner of the top row unreachable without a kludge like Reachability.
I don't know why people feel like there has to be One True Size for phones. No one has silly arguments over screen size when it comes to laptops. It's obvious that some users are more comfortable and get more utility from 15" MacBook Pros than 11" MacBook Airs. For some reason, phone screen sizes are debated like they have to be a zero sum game.
Just because it's not as big doesn't mean it's backward. But it does mean that a larger group of people will buy, for one, I will. Reason: I don't need a huge phone, that feels too thin in my hand (Yes, I have tried them both). I certainly would prefer to stick to the size of my 4S, but admit I could get along with a 5 size. I don't have huge pockets, especially my shirt pockets. The 6 form factor, makes it easy for my hands to drop them. I have arthritis, and the smaller (Thicker) phone, is easier to hold. The problem with the present 5S is that because it is older tech. it will become software unfriendly more quickly than the 6 (as I have discovered with my iPod touch). Memory is also an issue, especially with the 5C (Which I prefer to hold). What's needed is a small phone with good facilities and memory. I have no issue with those that want huge phones, but that's not what I want.
The mobile cycle is beginning to remind me of the mini radio to Ghetto Blaster cycle. Picture yourself with a 17" phone sitting on your shoulder. ;-)
The ? watch Changes the dynamics of owning the iPhone I can see many choosing ? watch AND a smaller phone instead of the $$$ for a larger more expensive phone
I would If you don't reach for your phone as often as my friends with ? watch tell me They don't need such a larger screen They have already commented It now becomes an issue of portability Also interesting the battery of the iPhone lasts LONGER When you use ? watch For many things
There are sizable people who prefers smaller(let's say 4") size phones. I said any smartphones and not just iPhone. They don't use it for video streaming or much of internet browsing. They mostly use for calling, texting, calendar, like that.. Now, if Apple can't come out smaller screen iPhone in 2015 than lots of people will not upgrade to iphone 6/plus and not wait till fall of 2016 but will show finger to Apple and move to smaller screen android mini phones. Iphone 5s is lacking clean calling audio feature like VOLTE, and Voice over WIFI and Apple pay. So, not sure why people even consider to buy iphone 5s.
People who don't use their iPhone for its purpose...why are they buying an iPhone?
The bigger screens aren't just for "browsing" and "video streaming".
Does it matter why they buy an iPhone? A quick look at the highest grossing apps, and they're mostly games. Not even the really good ones that take advantage of the processing power, but crap games like Candy Crush.
Actually I was being generous with 1%, the fact that Apple chose not to release an IP6 in 4.7" tells us that Apple is not interested.
Apple has moved on, get with the program.
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<h1 style="color:rgb(87,74,66);margin-bottom:.5em;margin-top:0px;">[URL=http:/2014/04/06/why-apple-has-to-make-bigger-screen-iphones-in-its-own-confidential-internal-slides/]The confidential internal slides that show why Apple is making a bigger iPhone 6[/URL]</h1>
That 9-to-5 article does not in any way suggest the market for 4" iPhones is less than 1%, in fact it suggests it's much greater. Moreover it's one writer's opinion that those slides, taken out of context, suggest Apple must make a larger iPhone, on a story that wasn't picked up by any other major Apple Rumor sites, or news outlets. And to the extent your specious reasoning is accurate, then Apple should have just enabled phone software on their cellular iPad mini and iPad Air first to give them an instant jump on the jumbo phone market. The reality is there are any number of reasons Apple chose to only release larger phones with the 6, part of which could be the fact the that the 5s is still an incredibly relevant phone, or it could have been a marketing move to better position the ?Watch as a companion for a larger phone, or any number of other reasons, including that for the first time they brought two new phone sizes to market at once, while continuing to manufacture two existing models, and simply didn't want to spread themselves thin introducing 3 new models.
The one that said that people need to try a 4.7" and not assume its too big? The one that I replied to in detail? It was TheWhiteFalcon who assumed that people who badmouth the 6 are doing so without having tried it.
Even though I prefer smaller phones, I've tried a few Android phones with 4.7" screens, and some of them are perfectly comfortable, as was Apple's size bump from 3.5" to 4" screens. So I was open to another size increase. However, after using the 6+ for a week and a 6 for several months, I've realized that Apple's implementation of large-screen phones leaves a lot to be desired, for reasons I explained in my reply to TWF.
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It's doing just that.
Apple doesn't even care about the iPad line like they did in 2010. iPads are even weaker than iPhone 6 Plus. Sad.
How the heck is the post-PC era supposed to move forward?
iPhone 4s is 3.5". A thinner 4" iPhone should fit perfectly in your pocket.
I see less bezel in future iPhones. If camera and mic components get smaller you can bet you'll get more screen and smaller iPhones.
Apple wants to combine speaker grill and camera. If they can do that and make the entire bottom bezel TouchID and Force Touch capable, they can remove the home button and cut the bottom bezel in half. You'll soon have a 4th gen iPod-touch-sized iPhone with a 4" screen.
Which would look STUNNING!
Apple doesn't even care about the iPad line like they did in 2010. iPads are even weaker than iPhone 6 Plus. Sad.
Where is your data for that? I didn't realize Apple was breaking out the 6+ sales from their total iPhone sales now.
iPad has a weaker camera, no NFC and comparable specs but requires more power to allocate images around the bigger screen.
There's NO EXCUSE, for the size of iPad and Apple driving it as a post PC device when announced it should be a ton more powerful.
Sales:
I get this data from facts, forums and logic. Half the people with a 6 Plus have mentioned skipping the iPad "thanks" to the 6 Plus.
IPad sales have declined.
Had the iPad been a workhorse like it should be, we would see better sales. Obviously. Which is why an "iPad Pro" is a great idea.
It seems strange Apple is introducing two NEW iPhone at the same time. By new i mean new design. The 5c is considered new, and 5s introduce at the time was a upgrade to 5.
But iPhone 7 will or should be a new design. So having a 7c along side it doesn't make much sense, as it will diverge the attention of potential buyers.
Yes, please. I did not buy an iPhone 6 because both models and form factors are just too big for me. I bought an iPhone 5s instead after the iPhone 6 came out. Yet the iPhone 5 is also too big for me; the iPhone 4 was the optimal size. I want a device that can fit in a standard shirt breast pocket and which I can hold and operate entirely with one hand. That's the iPhone 4 form factor. The iPhone 5 form factor is barely acceptable on that account. If Apple comes out with a new 4-inch phone, I'll buy it.
The iPhone4 was my favorite design because of the glass back.
Mac_128 asked you for facts to backup your statement, you came back with your "opinions" to back up one of your "opinions", which completely discredits you. Although iPad sales have been declining, it's actually the rate of growth that is declining, but sales are still healthy and marching forward, according to Apple's numbers. Apple does not break down sales numbers of the iPhone line by model, so you have ZERO basis to make statements like these. Makes you look just as bad as Wall Street anal-ysts.
There's something called "Reachability"
Which is built-in to the design of the iPhone 5S, and not a software feature.
Unfortunately Apple don't cater to the 1%. Given the tremendous success of the 6 and the number of switchers from Android (highly likely due to the screen size) I doubt Apple will ever go back to smaller screens. At least not on the high end anyhow.
Unfortunately Apple don't cater to the 1%.
Ah, more data. I didn't realize there were studies that showed only 1% of the mobile phone market were interested in phones less than 4.7" in size. I don't suppose you have a source or that?
Ah, more data. I didn't realize there were studies that showed only 1% of the mobile phone market were interested in phones less than 4.7" in size. I don't suppose you have a source or that?
Actually I was being generous with 1%, the fact that Apple chose not to release an IP6 in 4.7" tells us that Apple is not interested.
Apple has moved on, get with the program.
Google
The confidential internal slides that show why Apple is making a bigger iPhone 6
I don't want them to come out with a new 4", I live for the tears of whiners. /s
People need to try the 4.7", not assume it's too big.
Switched from a 5S to a 6+ the week it launched, found the size uncomfortable and exchanged it for a 6, expecting to get used to it. I've had it for eight months, and still find the 5 series vastly more comfortable in the pocket and hand. I'll probably be switching carriers later this year, and when I do I'll be going back to the 5S.
I'm not against large screens, just large phones. I've tried few Android phones (the Nexus 5, the HTC One, and a couple from LG and Samsung) with 4.7/5+ inch screens that were far less unwieldy than iPhones due to their thinner top and bottom bezels. Apple's insistence on symmetrical, proportional bezels across all sizes needs to be reexamined, the same way the chose to switch to tapered edges with the size bump. For me, the larger bottom bezels of the 6 and 6+ make the far corner of the top row unreachable without a kludge like Reachability.
I don't know why people feel like there has to be One True Size for phones. No one has silly arguments over screen size when it comes to laptops. It's obvious that some users are more comfortable and get more utility from 15" MacBook Pros than 11" MacBook Airs. For some reason, phone screen sizes are debated like they have to be a zero sum game.
Reason: I don't need a huge phone, that feels too thin in my hand (Yes, I have tried them both). I certainly would prefer to stick to the size of my 4S, but admit I could get along with a 5 size. I don't have huge pockets, especially my shirt pockets. The 6 form factor, makes it easy for my hands to drop them. I have arthritis, and the smaller (Thicker) phone, is easier to hold.
The problem with the present 5S is that because it is older tech. it will become software unfriendly more quickly than the 6 (as I have discovered with my iPod touch).
Memory is also an issue, especially with the 5C (Which I prefer to hold).
What's needed is a small phone with good facilities and memory. I have no issue with those that want huge phones, but that's not what I want.
The mobile cycle is beginning to remind me of the mini radio to Ghetto Blaster cycle. Picture yourself with a 17" phone sitting on your shoulder. ;-)
I can see many choosing
? watch AND a smaller phone instead of the $$$ for a larger more expensive phone
I would
If you don't reach for your phone as often as my friends with ? watch tell me
They don't need such a larger screen
They have already commented
It now becomes an issue of portability
Also interesting the battery of the iPhone lasts LONGER
When you use ? watch For many things
? watch Is a game changer
So you want people not to bad mouth something they've never tried? The comment section would be empty if posters followed that rule.
Why
So you want people not to bad mouth something they've never tried? The comment section would be empty if posters followed that rule.
Why assume they've never tried it? I've had a 6 for eight months now, and while I can tolerate it, the 5S is still more comfortable and practical.
Does it matter why they buy an iPhone? A quick look at the highest grossing apps, and they're mostly games. Not even the really good ones that take advantage of the processing power, but crap games like Candy Crush.
Fortunately, 4” phone users make up far more than 1%.
Did you not read the OP's post?
Did you not read the OP's post?
The one that said that people need to try a 4.7" and not assume its too big? The one that I replied to in detail? It was TheWhiteFalcon who assumed that people who badmouth the 6 are doing so without having tried it.
Even though I prefer smaller phones, I've tried a few Android phones with 4.7" screens, and some of them are perfectly comfortable, as was Apple's size bump from 3.5" to 4" screens. So I was open to another size increase. However, after using the 6+ for a week and a 6 for several months, I've realized that Apple's implementation of large-screen phones leaves a lot to be desired, for reasons I explained in my reply to TWF.