Inside iOS 9: Apple's iPad-exclusive split-screen multitasking will enhance productivity

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  • Reply 81 of 115
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    Originally Posted by Rayz View Post





    Samsung and Windows copied Continuity wholesale. Why don't you bleat on about that?

     

    And it'S not working too well either... Maybe they should copy better ;-).

  • Reply 82 of 115
    dewmedewme Posts: 2,025member
    This feature "does good demo" but the most useful utility of the iPad is its ability to provide a rich and deeply immersive user experience around mono tasking workflows. They'll be a small number of narrowly focused use cases where dual screen will improve collaborative workflows but if you need a complex multitasking computer- get a Mac. IMHO every additional general purpose PC like feature that gets added to iPad diminishes its primary strengths and clouds the vision. Split screen and concurrent app workflows is ok but not a productivity booster in most cases unless you measure productivity based on how many things you can do in a mediocre fashion at the same time, which is an all too common outcome in today's constantly distracted society. Beware the bloat.
  • Reply 83 of 115
    croprcropr Posts: 927member
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    Originally Posted by idrey View Post





    Have you seen this at the same level of excellence as in the iPad? Or are you just talking about those half assed feature in ms and sameson crap? That were added just to have a longer list of features, but had no real funtionality. Don't be the first, be the best. But you do have a valid point. No one ( but you) is mentioning that Apple copied. I think the reason is that Apple didn't just copied, they improved.



    iOS9 is released less than 24 hours.  Isn't it a little bit too early to call the iOS version excellent before you have fully tested it.  Win 8 is a really crap OS, but the split screen works well.  I would be very happy if the iOS split screen is working as good.  Calling today the iOS version an improvement is just speculation, fed by arrogance and not by facts

  • Reply 84 of 115
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    Originally Posted by MAJANI View Post

     

     

    Probably because it's an environment modeling device that's not exactly designed for mass-market appeal, being aimed solely at developers for testing purposes. Something doesn't have to be the #1 best seller to be "good".


     

    His contention that the device couldn't be as good as was described simply because it had a limited run, the correlation between sales and being 'good'. He directly challenged the possibility of it being good because it had 4000 units made and isn't yet for general retail sale 4 months after launch.

  • Reply 85 of 115
    nairbnairb Posts: 253member
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    Originally Posted by cropr View Post



    Nothing spectacular, we've seen this feature before on Windows 8 and on the Samsung tablets. For a change, Apple is copying a nice concept from others. Strangely, nobody here at AppleInsider calls this a knock off.

     

    But wait until the new version of android has it. Then you will hear claims that Android copied Apple. No-one will mention that the Android M preview build, released 6 months ago, had split screen functionality that splits into quadrants, allowing two, three or four apps to be used simultaneously.  

  • Reply 86 of 115
    croprcropr Posts: 927member
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    Originally Posted by Nairb View Post

     

     

    But wait until the new version of android has it. Then you will hear claims that Android copied Apple. No-one will mention that the Android M preview build, released 6 months ago, had split screen functionality that splits into quadrants, allowing two, three or four apps to be used simultaneously.  




    It was already available on all Samsung tablets in 2013.  So what is your point?

  • Reply 87 of 115
    nairb wrote: »
    But wait until the new version of android has it. Then you will hear claims that Android copied Apple. No-one will mention that the Android M preview build, released 6 months ago, had split screen functionality that splits into quadrants, allowing two, three or four apps to be used simultaneously.

    Do you honestly think the idea of multiple apps on iOS was some blindspot for Apple until they saw it on an "Android M preview build" and then in two months time rushed to make a highly functional version which they demoed and announced at CES in June for their iPad Air 2? Does that really make sense to you? Let's remember that iOS came from Mac OS X which already ran multiple in a GUI since even before the Mac in 1984. So how is it you think they had this knowledge which they completely forgot about until an Android M preview came along 2 months before they released a working demo at WWDC?
  • Reply 88 of 115
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    This is definitely a welcomed feature, so much so that I will definitely be grabbing one myself to replace two of my iPads in which I originally had to buy just so I could run two apps at a time. Running multiple apps at once is extremely important to me, I really wished Apple went a step further and just allowed any app installed to run in the background. With 4GB of Ram the system could have easily handle it. Not a deal breaker though as I will be Jail-Brraking the iPad Pro so I can install OS experience, which not only gives me the power of running multiple apps at once, not just two but also puts apps into a windowed system. The only thing left for Apple to do as far as what I want is to fix the file-system, especially for the pro. I really would like to see files from apps being saved outside of the apps themselves and put into a central location. They don't necessarily have to use the already built in BSD file-system but they definitely need something.

    Than hopefully we could finally get multi-user support, in which I believe the reason why we don't have it now is because of how iOS handles it's files. How do you distinguish files for every user installed when the apps and not the system manages everything, install a separate app for every user, embed user meta-data into every file created, requiring every app in the Apple Store to be re-written. No, I think the most elegant solution is to just start storing files outside of the apps (which yes, would also require all apps to be updated but for the better) , than maybe we will also get a document management app that not only has support for all of the most popular cloud services available but little features like zip, global search tied into Siri, the ability to assign file-extensions to an app, etc. Just dreaming here, yes I know about the app, Files, it's a big help but I would still like Apple to create their own and change the file-system structure. Oh and I would love to be able to remove the included Apple app and have the ability to choose my own default apps.
  • Reply 89 of 115
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    Originally Posted by Relic View Post

    Than hopefully we could finally get multi-user support, in which I believe the reason why we don't have it now is because of how iOS handles it's files. How do you distinguish files for every user installed when the apps and not the system manages everything, install a separate app for every user, embed user meta-data into every file created, requiring every app in the Apple Store to be re-written.

     

    This is an interesting proposition, but I do agree that I doubt it will be possible without a ground-up redesign of the entire filesystem of iOS. Does the existing system support any kind of directory services required for multi-user profiles?

     

    I'd like to see the ability to navigate the filesystem in iOS, but I think this is about as likely as seeing SD card support.

  • Reply 90 of 115
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    His contention that the device couldn't be as good as was described simply because it had a limited run, the correlation between sales and being 'good'. He directly challenged the possibility of it being good because it had 4000 units made and isn't yet for general retail sale 4 months after launch.


     

    I was challenging the tone of Relic's post.  Her remarks piqued my curiosity about this tablet (it certainly sounds interesting!), so I went hunting for facts.  Turns out, she glossed over at least one.

     

    This prompted the admittedly pragmatic question:  Why has Google chosen to sit on this product, if it is everything Relic (and you) purport it to be?

     

    What makes this question illegitimate for you?

  • Reply 91 of 115
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    <p>I was challenging the <em>tone</em> of Relic's post.  Her remarks piqued my curiosity about this tablet (it certainly sounds interesting!), so I went hunting for facts.  Turns out, she glossed over at least one.</p>

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    <p>This prompted the admittedly pragmatic question:  <em><strong>Why</strong></em> has Google chosen to sit on this product, if it is everything Relic (and you) purport it to be?</p>

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    <p>What makes this question illegitimate for you?</p>
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    <p>I read the tone of the original question to be attacking the quality of the device based solely on the sales. Maybe I Was wrong in interpreting it that way. That's what made it illegitimate, but asking why google is sitting on it is an entirely different question.</p>

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    <p>I don't believe that it's a device google wants on the market. It's a test bed for their environmental/3D mapping tech, and nothing but a prototype they're wanting some out-of-house developers to experience, and create apps for, as it's probably but in no way guaranteed to be developed further. For all we know, it'll be in the Nexus 5/6 released this year (though I doubt it) and that's their real release of the thing. Equally, for all we know, it'll be abandoned and that's the last we'll hear of it. They don't want to mass manufacture it before it's ready, or before it's exactly what they want.</p>

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    <p>It's not designed to compete with the iPad, or any of the android tablets out there. It's for developers to tinker with.</p>
  • Reply 92 of 115
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    majani wrote: »
    This is an interesting proposition, but I do agree that I doubt it will be possible without a ground-up redesign of the entire filesystem of iOS. Does the existing system support any kind of directory services required for multi-user profiles?

    I'd like to see the ability to navigate the filesystem in iOS, but I think this is about as likely as seeing SD card support.

    Apple wouldn't need to show the entire file-system, just the users data. Nor am I saying that they need to use a traditional file-manager to accomplish any of this, just a intuitive productivity app that the user could use to find and manage their files easily. Instead of using folders, they could split the files up by data types, using color coded panes to graphically distinguish them from one another. The ability to create customizable views based on search criteria, with easy transfers between cloud and networked drives. None of this would be worth doing though until files are separated from the apps that created them.
    File-management as it stands now is extremely inconsistent as each app uses it's own method of managing their own files. Can you imagine how much more productive you would be if every app used the exact same system file-manager to access it's files with. No longer would you have to individually setup each app to access a cloud service or networked drive (also every app would be able to access any cloud service that is added to the file-manager), the systems file-manager would already have all of this done for you. Backing up files would be a breeze as well, just create a search criteria for the files you want backed up, create a saved view so the next time you do it, it will be even easier, zip the files or don't and than just sync them with your cloud service. Maybe even add a cron timer to do auto backups, the feature set is endless.

    I honestly don't care what Apple does as long as my files are all stored in one location and not spread out through the system like the way it is now. It's honestly what's keeping me from using my iPads for anything else than music creation . The average consumer gets by with the current system because they don't have to deal with many files. I have thousands of documents and files types of all sorts, dealing with these files in iOS is, well, just not something that I'm willing to deal with. At least not when there are other systems out there that have and do what I'm looking for.

    Not to say that the iPad isn't a valuable device for me, music creation is a huge part of my life. I'm just not willing to force something that wasn't really designed to do.
  • Reply 93 of 115
    Nice article - but it doesn't matter. If you can't use a mouse than the iPad Pro isn't pro... it's that simple. Every attempt at data entry is hobbled... you can move faster on any laptop or computer - you could write something faster on a 1992 Mac.

    The perhaps rightly think putting a mouse on the iPad would spoil laptop sales - but it's to only thing that will make a difference...

    Their business bottom line is at odds with making the best product... and you see where that leads.
  • Reply 94 of 115
    croprcropr Posts: 927member
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    Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post





    No, it's quite useful. It's your imagination that's fairly useless. The app on the right could be your pictures where you want one for the app on the left. It could be your note app, where you want to retrieve or add something, or your calendar, or a dictionary or ... well, you either get it or you don't...



    If only it would work.  I am quite disappointed that in the mail app I still cannot slide over to iCloud Drive to select a file to be attached to the mail.  As long as I cannot reply to mails and attach one or more files, I don't consider an iPad enterprise ready,  In my job I need to do this at least 20 times a week.

  • Reply 95 of 115
    cropr wrote: »
    Nothing spectacular, we've seen this feature before on Windows 8 and on the Samsung tablets. For a change, Apple is copying a nice concept from others. Strangely, nobody here at AppleInsider calls this a knock off.

    Lol I agree. Its pretty much exactly like Microsofts version: Snap...just with a less catchy and creative name.
  • Reply 96 of 115
    matrix07matrix07 Posts: 1,993member
    applebilly wrote: »
    Nice article - but it doesn't matter. If you can't use a mouse than the iPad Pro isn't pro... it's that simple. Every attempt at data entry is hobbled... you can move faster on any laptop or computer - you could write something faster on a 1992 Mac.

    The perhaps rightly think putting a mouse on the iPad would spoil laptop sales - but it's to only thing that will make a difference...

    Their business bottom line is at odds with making the best product... and you see where that leads.

    Wow! So short-sighted.
  • Reply 97 of 115
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    Originally Posted by applebilly View Post



    If you can't use a mouse...

     

    Sounds like a personal problem to me. 

     

    I suppose VMWare should just kick their Horizon app to the curb.  /s

  • Reply 98 of 115
    matrix07matrix07 Posts: 1,993member
    gumbi wrote: »
    and PIP, that's from Samsung.  I'm not saying that's a bad thing.

    This guy never has TV in his life. My TV has PiP long before Samsung ever made an ARM tablet.
  • Reply 99 of 115
    cropr wrote: »

    If only it would work.  I am quite disappointed that in the mail app I still cannot slide over to iCloud Drive to select a file to be attached to the mail.  As long as I cannot reply to mails and attach one or more files, I don't consider an iPad enterprise ready,  In my job I need to do this at least 20 times a week.

    You can easily attach files from iCloud Drive, google drive and others in mail. Simply press and hold in the body of the email and select attach file from the list of options.
  • Reply 100 of 115
    I tried it on iPad Air 2 and find it to have too much cognitive burden. It doesn't seem intuitive. I realized that if the apps are not designed for iOS 9 multitasking then it won't have a true "split view" support. The slide over will just overlay the full screen non-native apps.

    It will take a while for me to tap its full potential and for apps to be fully supported for split view format.

    Picture in Picture only supports in Video apps - i cannot get it to work from safari or news which I find it odd.
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