Apple's Siri, Spotlight extend Google-like search inside iOS 9 apps, without tracking users

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    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
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    LOL

     

    Yeah, it's the wild west on Android. I still think people who are affected by Malware on Android are behaving like dumbasses. Of course, I also stay on or near the Nexus path, so I've been running within one dotted version of current Android for years.

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    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
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    Well an average consumer is kinda meant to be a dumbass in computers. You go to a doctor, you expect him to be good. And not have a fragmented install base loaded with vulnerable devices.

     

    So I have Apple stock, and use Android. Bank on the average consumer, and behave otherwise :P

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    waterrocketswaterrockets Posts: 1,231member
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    You're exclusive ;) Why bring up Apple stocks anyway?


     

    Just making it clear that I have a stake in their performance and amazing device/software usability :)

     

    I'm just not interested in that experience on a daily basis. Sort of like a nonsmoker investing in Phillip Morris because addictive products are successful :P

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    normmnormm Posts: 653member
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    So how does this work between devices? Does the learning on my iPhone translate to my iPad as well? And if I get a new device does it have to relearn everything since all of that learning was local to the device and not server side?



    I agree.  Also, when AI is done on the server side (as in Siri) using big data and big processors, the less you know about the person the harder it is to put information into context.  Keeping things anonymous also adds complexity, which means longer development time and more bugs.  The right way for Apple to do this is to let servers see everything, and just not share anything with third parties.

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    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
    Privacy comes at a price. More specifically the cost of the Apple premium. And that's a price that only a select chunk of the population can afford. That's reality.

    I supposed one could argue that a user could buy an older generation device and accept a sub-par experience if they really value privacy. But if the shoe were on the other foot, how many people here would really fall for that?

    There's a reason, paid-for email services aren't popular. There's a reason, nobody has yet been able to successfully popularize a subscription based search engine. It's because, the base of users, who cares so much about their privacy that they are willing to pay, is infitesimally small.

    Good on Apple for using privacy as a differentiator. But I suspect privacy will never be a huge draw for Apple products, for most, excepting the rabid, and they'd never leave the Apple fold anyway.....
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    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    ^ is he? Why?

    It's certainly true that there are no significant direct pay-for-search engines, and not a whole lot of direct pay-for-email consumer services.
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    patpatpatpatpatpat Posts: 629member
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    Privacy comes at a price. More specifically the cost of the Apple premium. And that's a price that only a select chunk of the population can afford. That's reality.



    I supposed one could argue that a user could buy an older generation device and accept a sub-par experience if they really value privacy. But if the shoe were on the other foot, how many people here would really fall for that?



    There's a reason, paid-for email services aren't popular. There's a reason, nobody has yet been able to successfully popularize a subscription based search engine. It's because, the base of users, who cares so much about their privacy that they are willing to pay, is infitesimally small.



    Good on Apple for using privacy as a differentiator. But I suspect privacy will never be a huge draw for Apple products, for most, excepting the rabid, and they'd never leave the Apple fold anyway.....

    I concur. Also when free services email/search have downtime problems people aren't that disturbed. When a paid service goes down it is a little more stressful/frustrating.

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