even though I understand why the iphone changed connectors, and the existence of docking ports and devices. The ease of laying the phone down on a pad on the nightstand at the end of the night in the dark seems much easier than fishing for a cable to plug the phone in.
If one cannot plug in an ommi-directional cable appropriately, he/she doesn't deserve to use any electronic device that requires charging. Please, your reason is one of the most ridiculous ones to justify for so called "wireless charging" (in fact, it should be called contact charging)
While I hear, understand, and agree with a lot of what you wrote, I will say that the tangle of wires that I need to deal with to keep the many iOS devices in my household charged is getting a little ridiculous.
Something I would be very interested in - and something I would not think is a gimmick at all - would be a large, fast charging pad capable of simultaneously charging all of the devices I lay down on it. That way I could have one charging pad with one wire and charge my watch, iPad, and the several iPhones I have in my household at the same time.
That is a convenience I would love to have!
Here you go and stop that wireless charging nonsense and it costs $3.
The ideal is having a small mat that you can charge ALL YOUR DEVICES at the same time.
2 ipads, 3 iPhones, all getting charged. One Plug. That is the ideal. If you only have 1 device wireless charging is lame. But if you have 5 devices it gets rid of a ton of wires.
No it doesn't. Since when Apple make 1 charger for multiple devices? You cannot charge 2 devices with 1 Apple charger. You want Apple wireless charger for your 5 iOS devices? Sure, get 5 mats.
haha...perhaps you're right. I'm learning about all kinds of new innovation here. Maybe I just need to be busy sleeping rather than playing around with my iphone.
They described distances around 1 meter. The mat setup Intel demonstrated is fine too though and would let people charge in multiple locations and countries without taking the charger(s).
You want Apple wireless charger for your 5 iOS devices? Sure, get 5 mats.
A wireless charging block or mat that can charge a Macbook can charge an iPhone, iPad and Watch at the same time. Power can be transmitted over wifi too but the FCC limits the amount of power. It would be enough for a Watch to retain its charge all day and night.
A wireless charging block or mat that can charge a Macbook can charge an iPhone, iPad and Watch at the same time. Power can be transmitted over wifi too but the FCC limits the amount of power. It would be enough for a Watch to retain its charge all day and night.
The point is many iOS device owners don't own a Macbook. So, 5 iPhone at home: 5 mats. That's what I mean. Apple never release 1 mat that can charge 2 devices at the same time.
The point is many iOS device owners don't own a Macbook. So, 5 iPhone at home: 5 mats. That's what I mean. Apple never release 1 mat that can charge 2 devices at the same time.
They wouldn't release a 5W mat that could only charge a single iPhone. The ideal route would be a wireless brick that looked like the following and worked at up to 1 meter although the receivers should be compatible with standard wireless chargers like mats:
These would come with portable Macs and desktop Macs could have transmitters but the low powered bricks can be purchased separately for people who only have iOS devices. Apple can still bundle wired 5W chargers with the iOS devices like they do the cheap headphones.
At the moment, there's nothing for sure that next generation of Apple iPhone will have the Qi wireless charging system at all.
According to the post about newest Qi specifications, I see that the company just announced the new specifications for new wireless charging, which will boost charge speed.
First of, whilst I understand the complaints around wireless charging, and they are valid. I personally do make use of it, although I will admit not as much these days as I used to, but this is due to the iPhone not having the charger built in, I still use it for my Android phone where it is built in.
Wireless charging I use to eliminate physical connections between devices, at home its not to much of an issue, but for the vehicle I have custom built two universal charging brackets, that have Qi chargers built into them I simply put a Qi enabled phone in the mount and it charges, and if they are my phones the connect via BT to the stereo/hands free. No wires, no change of charge ports damaging the phone if it gets bumped, no headphone lines nothing. Put it in, it connects and charges, grab it out when you get out of the vehicle. Wireless charging has its place but honestly I do not think it is there yet. My ideal would be having a shelf where it does not matter where you put it, nor which orientation you put it in, or what you put on it, it charged. Wireless charging also is less efficient electrically speaking than wired charging, as what it essentially is, is a transformer without the "core" to maximize efficiency
What is more interesting, are a couple of newer technologies that are starting to make headway, specifically the Rezenence system which Intel are building into the new Skylake chipsets, and this supports wireless charging at a small distance (i.e. through a tabletop) up to 50 watts.
The other one which gives you true wireless charging is the WattUp charging system by energous where a device is placed on a wall, and the device when instructed to over a BLE link sends power it what from at least the marketing documents seems to be a beam-formed method to the device anywhere in the room. This is currently at 10 Watts however (so twice that of the standard Qi, and 5 watts less than the one talked about in this post. But it does have the benfit of being able to charge anywhere in the room, and seems as though it would work "on the move"
First of, whilst I understand the complaints around wireless charging, and they are valid. I personally do make use of it, although I will admit not as much these days as I used to, but this is due to the iPhone not having the charger built in, I still use it for my Android phone where it is built in.
Wireless charging I use to eliminate physical connections between devices, at home its not to much of an issue, but for the vehicle I have custom built two universal charging brackets, that have Qi chargers built into them I simply put a Qi enabled phone in the mount and it charges, and if they are my phones the connect via BT to the stereo/hands free. No wires, no change of charge ports damaging the phone if it gets bumped, no headphone lines nothing. Put it in, it connects and charges, grab it out when you get out of the vehicle. Wireless charging has its place but honestly I do not think it is there yet. My ideal would be having a shelf where it does not matter where you put it, nor which orientation you put it in, or what you put on it, it charged. Wireless charging also is less efficient electrically speaking than wired charging, as what it essentially is, is a transformer without the "core" to maximize efficiency
What is more interesting, are a couple of newer technologies that are starting to make headway, specifically the Rezenence system which Intel are building into the new Skylake chipsets, and this supports wireless charging at a small distance (i.e. through a tabletop) up to 50 watts.
The other one which gives you true wireless charging is the WattUp charging system by energous where a device is placed on a wall, and the device when instructed to over a BLE link sends power it what from at least the marketing documents seems to be a beam-formed method to the device anywhere in the room. This is currently at 10 Watts however (so twice that of the standard Qi, and 5 watts less than the one talked about in this post. But it does have the benfit of being able to charge anywhere in the room, and seems as though it would work "on the move"
If one cannot plug in an ommi-directional cable appropriately, he/she doesn't deserve to use any electronic device that requires charging. Please, your reason is one of the most ridiculous ones to justify for so called "wireless charging" (in fact, it should be called contact charging)
If one cannot plug in an ommi-directional cable appropriately, he/she doesn't deserve to use any electronic device that requires charging. Please, your reason is one of the most ridiculous ones to justify for so called "wireless charging" (in fact, it should be called contact charging)
All this hate and ugly rhetoric over alternative charging methods is simply ridiculous! I simply have never understood why the anger that is invariably directed at inductive charging systems. Is it REALLY that threatening? If you don't like it, don't use it, but to make personal attacks against those that DO find value in the technology is WRONG!
I have a concern about inductive charging pads in that they put out a real amount of waste energy in the form of electromagnetic radiation, i.e. radio waves. That energy tends to be detected by sensitive radio receivers, like that found in cellphones, 2-way radios, laptop WiFi, broadcast band and television receivers, etc.. It strikes me as a generally bad idea to add to the electromagnetic noise in the house.
On the other hand, I do like the idea of not having to fumble for charger cables, especially when shutting my eyes to go to sleep. Perhaps a charging cradle could be made so the EM output is 0 until the phone is set into it? Dunno. It shouldn't be that hard.
I have a concern about inductive charging pads in that they put out a real amount of waste energy in the form of electromagnetic radiation, i.e. radio waves. That energy tends to be detected by sensitive radio receivers, like that found in cellphones, 2-way radios, laptop WiFi, broadcast band and television receivers, etc.. It strikes me as a generally bad idea to add to the electromagnetic noise in the house.
On the other hand, I do like the idea of not having to fumble for charger cables, especially when shutting my eyes to go to sleep. Perhaps a charging cradle could be made so the EM output is 0 until the phone is set into it? Dunno. It shouldn't be that hard.
At least with Qi and PowerMat, what you propose is exactly how they operate. Neither activates the charging circuitry on the pad until they exchange a digital handshake with the device requesting a charge. Both also switch off once the device is fully charged. If a device is left on them once charged, they do periodically power back up when the device being charged indicates that it is no longer at a fully charged state.
Also, neither of these use RF as you describe. The frequency range in which they operate is WELL below even the bottom end of the AM radio band and WAY below WiFi, cell phones, etc. Additionally, even when operating, the radiated energy is limited to a fraction of an inch above the charging pad. There is so much FUD regarding inductive charging that it is difficult for most to figure out hard facts from rampant fiction.
Also, neither of these use RF as you describe. The frequency range in which they operate is WELL below even the bottom end of the AM radio band and WAY below WiFi, cell phones, etc. Additionally, even when operating, the radiated energy is limited to a fraction of an inch above the charging pad. There is so much FUD regarding inductive charging that it is difficult for most to figure out hard facts from rampant fiction.
The only reason I brought it up is that last July I spent an hour and a half at a friend's house tracking down what was jamming his ham radios. It turned out to be 3 of the charging pads, each waking up every dozen seconds or so and chirping for a fraction of a second. It was very audible at 100' from the house on a BaoFeng UV5R radio set to any frequency around 140Mhz. It was quite maddening because we first couldn't find it by walking around the inside of the house with the radio. So then we selectively turned off breakers in his house and the situation never went away. We finally pulled the main and the noise stopped. Apparently whatever it was wasn't backed up by a UPS at least! It turned out that all 3 of the pads were pulsing asynchronously and we had to get them all at once in order to achieve full silence. So we took to powering on the house one breaker at a time until we found one that started the noise, and then found that one. Mystery was solved once we figured that one was doing it. They were in the game room, master bedroom, and kitchen. Hah. Victory was MINE!!!
?The good news is that I own none of the product that he was using the charger pads for. The bad news is that now we find out that people are advocating for Apple do use this kind of tech. I DO have Apple products. I would really be aggravated if I had to make a choice between ham radio and Apple products. It would be even worse if the decision was taking away from me by one of my immediate neighbors (we are in a crowded space here in suburbia -- but not so crowded that I can't put up antenna wires).
The only reason I brought it up is that last July I spent an hour and a half at a friend's house tracking down what was jamming his ham radios.
As the actual inductive charging frequency is way, way below 140MHz on both Qi and PowerMat, I am wondering if this was the out of band signalling, especially since you indicated that it was not something continuous? I am not a ham radio operator and there are none in my area that I am aware of, so no way to see if the PowerMat charging pads that I use behave similarly. If you don't mind, which charging technology was at fault?
As I understand, Rezence (the upcoming INTEL backed resonance charging system) uses very low freq RF and BTLE for the out of band signalling. I do hear you on how polluted the airwaves have become over the years and certainly I would expect that FCC would not license Rezence to conflict with established users, but only time will tell.
The ideal is having a small mat that you can charge ALL YOUR DEVICES at the same time.
2 ipads, 3 iPhones, all getting charged. One Plug. That is the ideal. If you only have 1 device wireless charging is lame. But if you have 5 devices it gets rid of a ton of wires.
Still a terribly shitty idea. If thats the best you can come up with, then your ideas are indeed best suited for blogs and not business.
YEARS ago Apple was working on how to put solar receptors under the glass of an iOS device, as part of an overarching solar-recharge system that wouldn't necessarily replace tethered charging, but could conceivably be used to extend battery life for untold amounts of time...hours, days, weeks...indefinitely....
When Apple finally figures it out, THAT is the kind of innovation we're going to see. Not charging mats.
Still a terribly shitty idea. If thats the best you can come up with, then your ideas are indeed best suited for blogs and not business.
YEARS ago Apple was working on how to put solar receptors under the glass of an iOS device, as part of an overarching solar-recharge system that wouldn't necessarily replace tethered charging, but could conceivably be used to extend battery life for untold amounts of time...hours, days, weeks...indefinitely....
When Apple finally figures it out, THAT is the kind of innovation we're going to see. Not charging mats.
Apple's idea sounds shittier to me. So I'm supposed to hold my screen in the daylight when it's barely viewable just to trickle charge it? Is it going to magically soak up light from inside my pocket 99% of the day? Sorry but solar cells would have to be 500% more efficient and always in the sunlight in order to soak up enough energy. At least wireless charging mats is an interim step until we figure out true wireless charging or much better better tech.
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even though I understand why the iphone changed connectors, and the existence of docking ports and devices. The ease of laying the phone down on a pad on the nightstand at the end of the night in the dark seems much easier than fishing for a cable to plug the phone in.
If one cannot plug in an ommi-directional cable appropriately, he/she doesn't deserve to use any electronic device that requires charging. Please, your reason is one of the most ridiculous ones to justify for so called "wireless charging" (in fact, it should be called contact charging)
While I hear, understand, and agree with a lot of what you wrote, I will say that the tangle of wires that I need to deal with to keep the many iOS devices in my household charged is getting a little ridiculous.
Something I would be very interested in - and something I would not think is a gimmick at all - would be a large, fast charging pad capable of simultaneously charging all of the devices I lay down on it. That way I could have one charging pad with one wire and charge my watch, iPad, and the several iPhones I have in my household at the same time.
That is a convenience I would love to have!
Here you go and stop that wireless charging nonsense and it costs $3.
Nope. You are crazy.
The ideal is having a small mat that you can charge ALL YOUR DEVICES at the same time.
2 ipads, 3 iPhones, all getting charged. One Plug. That is the ideal. If you only have 1 device wireless charging is lame. But if you have 5 devices it gets rid of a ton of wires.
No it doesn't. Since when Apple make 1 charger for multiple devices? You cannot charge 2 devices with 1 Apple charger. You want Apple wireless charger for your 5 iOS devices? Sure, get 5 mats.
haha...perhaps you're right. I'm learning about all kinds of new innovation here. Maybe I just need to be busy sleeping rather than playing around with my iphone.
Yes, Apple gets how it should be done:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20120303980.pdf
http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/apple-files-patent-for-magnetic-wireless-charging-no-contact-required-1117194
They described distances around 1 meter. The mat setup Intel demonstrated is fine too though and would let people charge in multiple locations and countries without taking the charger(s).
A wireless charging block or mat that can charge a Macbook can charge an iPhone, iPad and Watch at the same time. Power can be transmitted over wifi too but the FCC limits the amount of power. It would be enough for a Watch to retain its charge all day and night.
A wireless charging block or mat that can charge a Macbook can charge an iPhone, iPad and Watch at the same time. Power can be transmitted over wifi too but the FCC limits the amount of power. It would be enough for a Watch to retain its charge all day and night.
The point is many iOS device owners don't own a Macbook. So, 5 iPhone at home: 5 mats. That's what I mean. Apple never release 1 mat that can charge 2 devices at the same time.
If I turn off my iPhone 6 and plug it into an iPad charger, it's 90% charged in 30 minutes.
you don't need to turn it off, just put it in airplane mode. iPad chargers are what I use at home for my iOS devices (Air, Mini 2, 6 and 6+).
They wouldn't release a 5W mat that could only charge a single iPhone. The ideal route would be a wireless brick that looked like the following and worked at up to 1 meter although the receivers should be compatible with standard wireless chargers like mats:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MJ262LL/A/apple-29w-usb-c-power-adapter
These would come with portable Macs and desktop Macs could have transmitters but the low powered bricks can be purchased separately for people who only have iOS devices. Apple can still bundle wired 5W chargers with the iOS devices like they do the cheap headphones.
At the moment, there's nothing for sure that next generation of Apple iPhone will have the Qi wireless charging system at all.
According to the post about newest Qi specifications, I see that the company just announced the new specifications for new wireless charging, which will boost charge speed.
http://www.techfor.us/2015/06/wpc-new-fast-qi-wireless-charging/
Wireless charging I use to eliminate physical connections between devices, at home its not to much of an issue, but for the vehicle I have custom built two universal charging brackets, that have Qi chargers built into them I simply put a Qi enabled phone in the mount and it charges, and if they are my phones the connect via BT to the stereo/hands free. No wires, no change of charge ports damaging the phone if it gets bumped, no headphone lines nothing. Put it in, it connects and charges, grab it out when you get out of the vehicle. Wireless charging has its place but honestly I do not think it is there yet. My ideal would be having a shelf where it does not matter where you put it, nor which orientation you put it in, or what you put on it, it charged. Wireless charging also is less efficient electrically speaking than wired charging, as what it essentially is, is a transformer without the "core" to maximize efficiency
What is more interesting, are a couple of newer technologies that are starting to make headway, specifically the Rezenence system which Intel are building into the new Skylake chipsets, and this supports wireless charging at a small distance (i.e. through a tabletop) up to 50 watts.
The other one which gives you true wireless charging is the WattUp charging system by energous where a device is placed on a wall, and the device when instructed to over a BLE link sends power it what from at least the marketing documents seems to be a beam-formed method to the device anywhere in the room. This is currently at 10 Watts however (so twice that of the standard Qi, and 5 watts less than the one talked about in this post. But it does have the benfit of being able to charge anywhere in the room, and seems as though it would work "on the move"
Wireless charging I use to eliminate physical connections between devices, at home its not to much of an issue, but for the vehicle I have custom built two universal charging brackets, that have Qi chargers built into them I simply put a Qi enabled phone in the mount and it charges, and if they are my phones the connect via BT to the stereo/hands free. No wires, no change of charge ports damaging the phone if it gets bumped, no headphone lines nothing. Put it in, it connects and charges, grab it out when you get out of the vehicle. Wireless charging has its place but honestly I do not think it is there yet. My ideal would be having a shelf where it does not matter where you put it, nor which orientation you put it in, or what you put on it, it charged. Wireless charging also is less efficient electrically speaking than wired charging, as what it essentially is, is a transformer without the "core" to maximize efficiency
What is more interesting, are a couple of newer technologies that are starting to make headway, specifically the Rezenence system which Intel are building into the new Skylake chipsets, and this supports wireless charging at a small distance (i.e. through a tabletop) up to 50 watts.
The other one which gives you true wireless charging is the WattUp charging system by energous where a device is placed on a wall, and the device when instructed to over a BLE link sends power it what from at least the marketing documents seems to be a beam-formed method to the device anywhere in the room. This is currently at 10 Watts however (so twice that of the standard Qi, and 5 watts less than the one talked about in this post. But it does have the benfit of being able to charge anywhere in the room, and seems as though it would work "on the move"
If one cannot plug in an ommi-directional cable appropriately, he/she doesn't deserve to use any electronic device that requires charging. Please, your reason is one of the most ridiculous ones to justify for so called "wireless charging" (in fact, it should be called contact charging)
No one said anything about "cannot".
If one cannot plug in an ommi-directional cable appropriately, he/she doesn't deserve to use any electronic device that requires charging. Please, your reason is one of the most ridiculous ones to justify for so called "wireless charging" (in fact, it should be called contact charging)
All this hate and ugly rhetoric over alternative charging methods is simply ridiculous! I simply have never understood why the anger that is invariably directed at inductive charging systems. Is it REALLY that threatening? If you don't like it, don't use it, but to make personal attacks against those that DO find value in the technology is WRONG!
I have a concern about inductive charging pads in that they put out a real amount of waste energy in the form of electromagnetic radiation, i.e. radio waves. That energy tends to be detected by sensitive radio receivers, like that found in cellphones, 2-way radios, laptop WiFi, broadcast band and television receivers, etc.. It strikes me as a generally bad idea to add to the electromagnetic noise in the house.
On the other hand, I do like the idea of not having to fumble for charger cables, especially when shutting my eyes to go to sleep. Perhaps a charging cradle could be made so the EM output is 0 until the phone is set into it? Dunno. It shouldn't be that hard.
I have a concern about inductive charging pads in that they put out a real amount of waste energy in the form of electromagnetic radiation, i.e. radio waves. That energy tends to be detected by sensitive radio receivers, like that found in cellphones, 2-way radios, laptop WiFi, broadcast band and television receivers, etc.. It strikes me as a generally bad idea to add to the electromagnetic noise in the house.
On the other hand, I do like the idea of not having to fumble for charger cables, especially when shutting my eyes to go to sleep. Perhaps a charging cradle could be made so the EM output is 0 until the phone is set into it? Dunno. It shouldn't be that hard.
At least with Qi and PowerMat, what you propose is exactly how they operate. Neither activates the charging circuitry on the pad until they exchange a digital handshake with the device requesting a charge. Both also switch off once the device is fully charged. If a device is left on them once charged, they do periodically power back up when the device being charged indicates that it is no longer at a fully charged state.
Also, neither of these use RF as you describe. The frequency range in which they operate is WELL below even the bottom end of the AM radio band and WAY below WiFi, cell phones, etc. Additionally, even when operating, the radiated energy is limited to a fraction of an inch above the charging pad. There is so much FUD regarding inductive charging that it is difficult for most to figure out hard facts from rampant fiction.
Also, neither of these use RF as you describe. The frequency range in which they operate is WELL below even the bottom end of the AM radio band and WAY below WiFi, cell phones, etc. Additionally, even when operating, the radiated energy is limited to a fraction of an inch above the charging pad. There is so much FUD regarding inductive charging that it is difficult for most to figure out hard facts from rampant fiction.
The only reason I brought it up is that last July I spent an hour and a half at a friend's house tracking down what was jamming his ham radios. It turned out to be 3 of the charging pads, each waking up every dozen seconds or so and chirping for a fraction of a second. It was very audible at 100' from the house on a BaoFeng UV5R radio set to any frequency around 140Mhz. It was quite maddening because we first couldn't find it by walking around the inside of the house with the radio. So then we selectively turned off breakers in his house and the situation never went away. We finally pulled the main and the noise stopped. Apparently whatever it was wasn't backed up by a UPS at least! It turned out that all 3 of the pads were pulsing asynchronously and we had to get them all at once in order to achieve full silence. So we took to powering on the house one breaker at a time until we found one that started the noise, and then found that one. Mystery was solved once we figured that one was doing it. They were in the game room, master bedroom, and kitchen. Hah. Victory was MINE!!!
?The good news is that I own none of the product that he was using the charger pads for. The bad news is that now we find out that people are advocating for Apple do use this kind of tech. I DO have Apple products. I would really be aggravated if I had to make a choice between ham radio and Apple products. It would be even worse if the decision was taking away from me by one of my immediate neighbors (we are in a crowded space here in suburbia -- but not so crowded that I can't put up antenna wires).
The only reason I brought it up is that last July I spent an hour and a half at a friend's house tracking down what was jamming his ham radios.
As the actual inductive charging frequency is way, way below 140MHz on both Qi and PowerMat, I am wondering if this was the out of band signalling, especially since you indicated that it was not something continuous? I am not a ham radio operator and there are none in my area that I am aware of, so no way to see if the PowerMat charging pads that I use behave similarly. If you don't mind, which charging technology was at fault?
As I understand, Rezence (the upcoming INTEL backed resonance charging system) uses very low freq RF and BTLE for the out of band signalling. I do hear you on how polluted the airwaves have become over the years and certainly I would expect that FCC would not license Rezence to conflict with established users, but only time will tell.
Nope. You are crazy.
The ideal is having a small mat that you can charge ALL YOUR DEVICES at the same time.
2 ipads, 3 iPhones, all getting charged. One Plug. That is the ideal. If you only have 1 device wireless charging is lame. But if you have 5 devices it gets rid of a ton of wires.
Still a terribly shitty idea. If thats the best you can come up with, then your ideas are indeed best suited for blogs and not business.
YEARS ago Apple was working on how to put solar receptors under the glass of an iOS device, as part of an overarching solar-recharge system that wouldn't necessarily replace tethered charging, but could conceivably be used to extend battery life for untold amounts of time...hours, days, weeks...indefinitely....
When Apple finally figures it out, THAT is the kind of innovation we're going to see. Not charging mats.
Still a terribly shitty idea. If thats the best you can come up with, then your ideas are indeed best suited for blogs and not business.
YEARS ago Apple was working on how to put solar receptors under the glass of an iOS device, as part of an overarching solar-recharge system that wouldn't necessarily replace tethered charging, but could conceivably be used to extend battery life for untold amounts of time...hours, days, weeks...indefinitely....
When Apple finally figures it out, THAT is the kind of innovation we're going to see. Not charging mats.
Apple's idea sounds shittier to me. So I'm supposed to hold my screen in the daylight when it's barely viewable just to trickle charge it? Is it going to magically soak up light from inside my pocket 99% of the day? Sorry but solar cells would have to be 500% more efficient and always in the sunlight in order to soak up enough energy. At least wireless charging mats is an interim step until we figure out true wireless charging or much better better tech.