I'm not sure what you're saying here. I'd like to use the Workout app and get my current pace and distance on the watch without taking the phone. Are you saying that if I previously did that, the watch is somehow able to track pace and distance on its own for future runs?
There is accelerometers in the watch and it came learn pace. GPS is very bad at precise on the move measurements anyway (most people don't know that); the margin of errors is higher than most people expect. Unless you absolutely need to track were you went, the GPS is overkill on a run.
If there's a product whose profile should be slimmed down it's one that users wear throughout the day. The watch needs to get thinner, lighter, and there needs to be an option for a round form factor.
The need to recharge nightly can be addressed through an elegant charging solution. Who sleeps with their watch on anyway?
If true, keeping the same form factor just to fit a larger capacity battery and silly camera makes it seem as though they have the wrong priorities.
It is as thin as other "real" quarts and mechanical watches, so not sure why you think it should be thinner. Anyone who has seen one will not find it big at all.
I probably shouldn't comment because I still don't see myself wearing any watch, but I still find ?Watch unattractive, and yes I went to the store and tried it on.
I did order a Sport on day one just because it was new Apple tech, but I ended up canceling my order after reconsideration that I just don't like wearing watches. I certainly don't feel inconvenienced with just an iPhone 6 in my pocket. I don't want to be distracted while driving anyway and in just about any other situation the iPhone is quite accessible. Everyone has a different use case, but it is totally unnecessary for me, even if it was a little less bulky.
It's not bulky - it's smaller than every one of the watches my friends wear. Every one.
My 38 mm Sport battery life has been fine except 1.) it began overheating when charging and wouldn't charge past 30%. Apple just replaced my entire watch (except strap/charger). And 2.) when I track/time a 2-4 hour cycling ride the watch battery takes a big hit. So much so that I don't use it for tracking if it is early in the day! No Garmin replaced yet...
When in a workout mode it's reading your heart rate every few seconds or so, burning battery. If going for hours you can disable that feature, which only decreases the accuracy of the calorie burn estimate. Then you can take it manually if you need to.
If there's a product whose profile should be slimmed down it's one that users wear throughout the day. The watch needs to get thinner, lighter, and there needs to be an option for a round form factor.
I've never once thought about the weight, and I ha the steel version. Thinner may be nice, but it's thinner than all of my friends' watches already.
I've never once thought about the weight, and I ha the steel version. Thinner may be nice, but it's thinner than all of my friends' watches already.
agreed - many expensive watches are heavier - implies quality. Weight of my SS is fine - simply not an issue. Thinner maybe good, although again its current thickness seems just right. Thinner would suggest smaller diameter wheel - which would not be good.
Bottom line is I want it to connect to my phone, but I also want it to stand on it's own at certain times.
Obviously everyone would like it to be independent with its own gps and cellular radios, but the tech isn't there yet. Everyone knows where it should go and that it can't today.
Currently it is priced too high for what it can do compared to the competition IMO.
Nonsense. 350 is a great starting price and it does more than the android wear competitors I've seen.
Ouch, version 1 owners. This is called "worth the wait". Btw, my coworker's Watch version lasts her 3 days with her normal usage. So, it really depends on each user, battery can last from 10, 14, 18 hrs or up to 3 days...
It would be unusual if Apple creates more space inside with the aim of something other than making it thinner. Though in this instance... I wouldn't complain if it was a tad thinner.
Any changes to the dimensions of the ?WATCH would destroy all the hardware developer work and money spent by us for third party cases and bands. So far I've spent $170 on two different cases and a matching band for one of them so although I welcome any and all improvements inside - which I will certainly buy on day one, I wouldn't be happy about a second model that isn't compatible with the cases and band I've already bought.:\
Ouch, version 1 owners. This is called "worth the wait". Btw, my coworker's Watch version lasts her 3 days with her normal usage. So, it really depends on each user, battery can last from 10, 14, 18 hrs or up to 3 days...
Nothing is worth waiting for if you're running out of time 'til death. And even if you don't think you are, why wait for a future version while missing out on all the fun, adventure and advantages of ?WATCH ownership now?;)
Can't wait until the 3rd generation ships, that'll be when they get my money,
If you really can't wait, then buy gen 1 now and join the adventure of early adoption. Why miss out on 2-3 years of all the advantages of ?WATCH ownership now? Gen 1 is well worth it. There is no good logical reason to wait for some mythical Gen 3 in the future when Gen 1 is totally awesome already. Or are you simply rationalizing not getting one 'cause you don't have $483 now? Come on man or woman! ?WATCH SPORT is the least expensive computer Apple sells. You can panhandle that much in a month.:rolleyes:
Couldn't disagree more. If any of what you suggest is true, the iPhone would be banned from restaurants/nightclubs. Google Glass was a problem because the camera looked at whatever you looked at, and no one knew whether it was on or not. Just like the iPhone it would be pretty easy to spot someone using the camera on a watch, or at least as easy, since it's pretty easy to take pictures of someone on a iPhone now without them knowing. And I'm not sure what any camera could capture in a bathroom without it being blatantly obvious, including Google Glass.
The benefits of the camera will allow people to take spontaneous selfies without taking their phone out of their bag or pocket, and that will make it a huge seller for some people. And if you don't think Apple isn't aware of it, then go back and look at the keynote where Tim Cook spent a good deal of time extolling the virtues of the burst feature on the iPhone's front facing camera, specifically for taking selfies.
So there's that, and then the potential of the camera to be used for turning the watch backlight on and off, and keeping it on, with a face recognition feature.
So no, not "mega puervy" at all, at least not any more than the iPhone. If you're in the restroom and see someone pointing their watch face at you while they press buttons on it, or better yet, holding it over the urinal stall and pressing buttons on it, then maybe you have some cause for concern. But then they could do that with their iPhone too. No the benefits of the camera far outweigh any of these privacy concerns.
I don't think you are thinking critically about it...
The reason iPhones are not banned is twofold;
Cameras on cellphones are common (even before smartphones), cameras on watches are not
Additionally, you have to take out your phone to take pictures (and it becomes obvious that you are). In this way it is more like a small pocket camera (which are common)
The fact that the camera on a watch is ready and could (easily) be active at -all- times makes it even more "stealthy" than the googol glasses (which on the one hand I agree are certainly more nerdy. However they are obvious, having a stealth camera on your wrist (disguised as watch) I think makes watches with cameras even more pervey than the glasses
The thing that's surprised me the most about my Apple Watch is how well it just fits into my normal everyday life style. It's decidedly not a finicky techno-gadget that requires your constant attention. It's actually a very good watch and if that's all you use it for it will serve you well. But all the little extras and integration into the Apple ecosystem earns it a place on your wrist, at least Monday through Friday and 9-to-5.
I have other traditional watches that cost more than the Apple Watch. They are definitely nicer pieces of jewelry but for the 9-to-5 regimen they really don't do much more that add a slug of shiny metal to my wrist. I don't ask them to do things like I do the Apple Watch because doing anything more than basic time keeping requires memorizing arcane button presses and unintuitive crown manipulations. One of my Tissot watches actually has a touch screen, compass, altimeter, and temperature sensor. Plus other features. Do I ever use these advanced features? Hell no, because the UX pretty much totally sucks and is absolutely unintuitive. I dread daylight savings time changes or traveling to different time zones because I inevitably have to dig the 300 page 3-point font user manual (book!) out of the closet and relearn the magic sequences of button, watch face, and crown manipulations needed to do the most basic of tasks like adjusting the time by one hour. Some other watches like Citizen EcoDrive handle certain tasks better, like time zones, but the UX provided by all "traditional" watches is very obtuse and confusing. I will still wear them when I want a good looking "dumb" watch, but the Apple Watch is my daily workhorse.
I've tried many different techo-toy watches over the years including one from Microsoft that programmed by flashing bar codes on your PC monitor. The Apple Watch is the first technology centric watch I've ever owned that is actually a great watch, is super comfortable to wear, and doesn't let the technology get in the way or feel like an unfinished mad scientist lab experiment.
I don't think you are thinking critically about it...
The reason iPhones are not banned is twofold;
Cameras on cellphones are common (even before smartphones), cameras on watches are not
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googol glasses (which on the one hand I agree are certainly more nerdy. However they are obvious, having a stealth camera on your wrist (disguised as watch) I think makes watches with cameras even more pervey than the glasses
So nobody has ever walked into a bathroom with their cellphone out of their pocket, in their hand? Or dropped their cellphone in a urinal accidentally? I've carried my phone into a gym locker room full of people stripped down and going into the showers who never so much as covered up in the presence of my phone, or gave me a second look. how is that any different than having a FaceTime camera on a watch? In order to use the camera you will have to point the face of the watch at your subject, which will be lit with the viewfinder of what it's seeing, and then press a button to snap the photo. You don't think people will notice that? The same people who didn't give me and my iPhone in the locker room any attention, would surely have given me a second look if I pointed it at someone while looking at the screen and tapping it. Moreover, I could just shoot a movie while walking around with my iPhone (something not likely possible on the watch) and later take screenshots of anything I caught. Now that's pretty "pervey". In fact, I've been in gyms where cell phones are banned from the locker room for this reason. So maybe the same gyms will ban smartwatches for the same reason. The google glasses, unlike the phone or watch, can record whatever the wearer is looking at without any indication it's happening, and I'm pretty sure they're banned from all locker rooms.
How exactly do you think someone is going to take a picture of anything in a public restroom on a watch without someone noticing, and what exactly are they going to take pictures of that won't get them noticed? Fully clothed people coming out of a stall? The backs of men standing at a urinal? People washing their hands? On the other hand, anybody sticking anything under a stall door, or over the urinal divider is going to get themselves banned, much less their watch.
total, complete, fucking, nonsense. Maybe you sit around and make an activity tracker useless, but we bought two for primary use case of activity tracking. It's made a difference in our lives and we are not alone (see Infinite Loop blog).
I haven't heard anyone say their battery life was lacking. OTOH the watch display does turn off. So ... an always-visible display, visible in direct sunlight too, would get me to consider the watch. Otherwise it's a nonstarter. Because the beach, dudes!
Non issue. Turn your wrist to see it and it turns on. Why would I need it on 24 hours?
Obviously everyone would like it to be independent with its own gps and cellular radios, but the tech isn't there yet. Everyone knows where it should go and that it can't today.
Perhaps...with the design and the direction that Apple wants to take the watch. However, making it into a smaller version of an iPhone isn't attractive to me. I don't want a watch that can do everything my iPhone can do.
These are the things I see myself using a smartwatch for: telling date & time; quick reference for notifications; ability to track my run, mtn bike ride, road bike ride, hike, etc. in several different criteria including mileage and location; current altitude, current weather (even if I don't have a connection to my phone), heart rate, sunrise & sunset (as well as other custom settings specifically for my needs), quick reference for my upcoming scheduled appointments, quick look at who's currently calling me, using it as a remote for my phone (Apple TV, camera, etc.); using Siri, and so on. You get the point. The Garmin Fenix 3 fits this bill for me (except it being used as a remote and voice commands/Siri). And it looks nice and is similarly priced to the Apple Watch.
I don't see myself using a smartwatch to pay at the register (phone is better for this), using FaceTime, calling people, gimmicky things like sending heart beat back and forth to fellow watch owners or drawing little pictures, using it to view videos or pictures, taking pictures, editing anything, and so on. These things would never be used on my wrist.
My greatest disappointment has been it's lack of really revolutionary ways of monitoring my health, something I was looking forward to as I read the reports leading up to it's announcement. I don't doubt that this will improve with future models, software updates, and 3rd party apps, and once it does, I will be more apt to consider buying it.
The tech inside the Apple Watch is absolutely amazing. I do feel it needs more refining and an understanding of how a watch can truly benefit the user. Without what many watches already have, mainly a GPS radio, it doesn't make sense for me to buy it.
I do plan on buying one in the future, but not yet.
Perhaps...with the design and the direction that Apple wants to take the watch. However, making it into a smaller version of an iPhone isn't attractive to me. I don't want a watch that can do everything my iPhone can do.
These are the things I see myself using a smartwatch for: telling date & time; quick reference for notifications; ability to track my run, mtn bike ride, road bike ride, hike, etc. in several different criteria including mileage and location; current altitude, current weather (even if I don't have a connection to my phone), heart rate, sunrise & sunset (as well as other custom settings specifically for my needs), quick reference for my upcoming scheduled appointments, quick look at who's currently calling me, using it as a remote for my phone (Apple TV, camera, etc.); using Siri, and so on.
( ... )
I do plan on buying one in the future, but not yet.
Although the watch would be a great companion on my daily run, I'd be reluctant to wear one as my wrists get very sweaty. Especially in Summertime: it gets smudgy with the sweat & suncream.
Perhaps I should wear one of those wrist bands? But won't they neutralize the benefits - heart monitor - of the Apple watch as the watch doesn't touch the skin anymore? If they won't, then I'd be very tempted to get both the watch* and the wrist band.
(*) The watch hasn't been launched in my country yet.
It has to show the time 100 percent of the time I look at it, period, otherwise it's a design defect. A friend who has one says it's @surprisingly good@ at knowing when you turn your wrist. Not good enough for me.
I'd like it to have a brighter screen (that you can see in bright sunlight easily) and a higher resolution display. It would be even better if they could fuse the glass closer to the screen, so that the screen pops out more on the surface of the watch.
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I'm not sure what you're saying here. I'd like to use the Workout app and get my current pace and distance on the watch without taking the phone. Are you saying that if I previously did that, the watch is somehow able to track pace and distance on its own for future runs?
There is accelerometers in the watch and it came learn pace. GPS is very bad at precise on the move measurements anyway (most people don't know that); the margin of errors is higher than most people expect. Unless you absolutely need to track were you went, the GPS is overkill on a run.
If there's a product whose profile should be slimmed down it's one that users wear throughout the day. The watch needs to get thinner, lighter, and there needs to be an option for a round form factor.
The need to recharge nightly can be addressed through an elegant charging solution. Who sleeps with their watch on anyway?
If true, keeping the same form factor just to fit a larger capacity battery and silly camera makes it seem as though they have the wrong priorities.
It is as thin as other "real" quarts and mechanical watches, so not sure why you think it should be thinner. Anyone who has seen one will not find it big at all.
It's not bulky - it's smaller than every one of the watches my friends wear. Every one.
When in a workout mode it's reading your heart rate every few seconds or so, burning battery. If going for hours you can disable that feature, which only decreases the accuracy of the calorie burn estimate. Then you can take it manually if you need to.
I've never once thought about the weight, and I ha the steel version. Thinner may be nice, but it's thinner than all of my friends' watches already.
I've never once thought about the weight, and I ha the steel version. Thinner may be nice, but it's thinner than all of my friends' watches already.
agreed - many expensive watches are heavier - implies quality. Weight of my SS is fine - simply not an issue. Thinner maybe good, although again its current thickness seems just right. Thinner would suggest smaller diameter wheel - which would not be good.
Obviously everyone would like it to be independent with its own gps and cellular radios, but the tech isn't there yet. Everyone knows where it should go and that it can't today.
Nonsense. 350 is a great starting price and it does more than the android wear competitors I've seen.
Ouch, version 1 owners. This is called "worth the wait". Btw, my coworker's Watch version lasts her 3 days with her normal usage. So, it really depends on each user, battery can last from 10, 14, 18 hrs or up to 3 days...
Couldn't disagree more. If any of what you suggest is true, the iPhone would be banned from restaurants/nightclubs. Google Glass was a problem because the camera looked at whatever you looked at, and no one knew whether it was on or not. Just like the iPhone it would be pretty easy to spot someone using the camera on a watch, or at least as easy, since it's pretty easy to take pictures of someone on a iPhone now without them knowing. And I'm not sure what any camera could capture in a bathroom without it being blatantly obvious, including Google Glass.
The benefits of the camera will allow people to take spontaneous selfies without taking their phone out of their bag or pocket, and that will make it a huge seller for some people. And if you don't think Apple isn't aware of it, then go back and look at the keynote where Tim Cook spent a good deal of time extolling the virtues of the burst feature on the iPhone's front facing camera, specifically for taking selfies.
So there's that, and then the potential of the camera to be used for turning the watch backlight on and off, and keeping it on, with a face recognition feature.
So no, not "mega puervy" at all, at least not any more than the iPhone. If you're in the restroom and see someone pointing their watch face at you while they press buttons on it, or better yet, holding it over the urinal stall and pressing buttons on it, then maybe you have some cause for concern. But then they could do that with their iPhone too. No the benefits of the camera far outweigh any of these privacy concerns.
I don't think you are thinking critically about it...
The reason iPhones are not banned is twofold;
Cameras on cellphones are common (even before smartphones), cameras on watches are not
Additionally, you have to take out your phone to take pictures (and it becomes obvious that you are). In this way it is more like a small pocket camera (which are common)
The fact that the camera on a watch is ready and could (easily) be active at -all- times makes it even more "stealthy" than the googol glasses (which on the one hand I agree are certainly more nerdy. However they are obvious, having a stealth camera on your wrist (disguised as watch) I think makes watches with cameras even more pervey than the glasses
The thing that's surprised me the most about my Apple Watch is how well it just fits into my normal everyday life style. It's decidedly not a finicky techno-gadget that requires your constant attention. It's actually a very good watch and if that's all you use it for it will serve you well. But all the little extras and integration into the Apple ecosystem earns it a place on your wrist, at least Monday through Friday and 9-to-5.
I have other traditional watches that cost more than the Apple Watch. They are definitely nicer pieces of jewelry but for the 9-to-5 regimen they really don't do much more that add a slug of shiny metal to my wrist. I don't ask them to do things like I do the Apple Watch because doing anything more than basic time keeping requires memorizing arcane button presses and unintuitive crown manipulations. One of my Tissot watches actually has a touch screen, compass, altimeter, and temperature sensor. Plus other features. Do I ever use these advanced features? Hell no, because the UX pretty much totally sucks and is absolutely unintuitive. I dread daylight savings time changes or traveling to different time zones because I inevitably have to dig the 300 page 3-point font user manual (book!) out of the closet and relearn the magic sequences of button, watch face, and crown manipulations needed to do the most basic of tasks like adjusting the time by one hour. Some other watches like Citizen EcoDrive handle certain tasks better, like time zones, but the UX provided by all "traditional" watches is very obtuse and confusing. I will still wear them when I want a good looking "dumb" watch, but the Apple Watch is my daily workhorse.
I've tried many different techo-toy watches over the years including one from Microsoft that programmed by flashing bar codes on your PC monitor. The Apple Watch is the first technology centric watch I've ever owned that is actually a great watch, is super comfortable to wear, and doesn't let the technology get in the way or feel like an unfinished mad scientist lab experiment.
How exactly do you think someone is going to take a picture of anything in a public restroom on a watch without someone noticing, and what exactly are they going to take pictures of that won't get them noticed? Fully clothed people coming out of a stall? The backs of men standing at a urinal? People washing their hands? On the other hand, anybody sticking anything under a stall door, or over the urinal divider is going to get themselves banned, much less their watch.
total, complete, fucking, nonsense. Maybe you sit around and make an activity tracker useless, but we bought two for primary use case of activity tracking. It's made a difference in our lives and we are not alone (see Infinite Loop blog).
Non issue. Turn your wrist to see it and it turns on. Why would I need it on 24 hours?
Perhaps...with the design and the direction that Apple wants to take the watch. However, making it into a smaller version of an iPhone isn't attractive to me. I don't want a watch that can do everything my iPhone can do.
These are the things I see myself using a smartwatch for: telling date & time; quick reference for notifications; ability to track my run, mtn bike ride, road bike ride, hike, etc. in several different criteria including mileage and location; current altitude, current weather (even if I don't have a connection to my phone), heart rate, sunrise & sunset (as well as other custom settings specifically for my needs), quick reference for my upcoming scheduled appointments, quick look at who's currently calling me, using it as a remote for my phone (Apple TV, camera, etc.); using Siri, and so on. You get the point. The Garmin Fenix 3 fits this bill for me (except it being used as a remote and voice commands/Siri). And it looks nice and is similarly priced to the Apple Watch.
I don't see myself using a smartwatch to pay at the register (phone is better for this), using FaceTime, calling people, gimmicky things like sending heart beat back and forth to fellow watch owners or drawing little pictures, using it to view videos or pictures, taking pictures, editing anything, and so on. These things would never be used on my wrist.
My greatest disappointment has been it's lack of really revolutionary ways of monitoring my health, something I was looking forward to as I read the reports leading up to it's announcement. I don't doubt that this will improve with future models, software updates, and 3rd party apps, and once it does, I will be more apt to consider buying it.
The tech inside the Apple Watch is absolutely amazing. I do feel it needs more refining and an understanding of how a watch can truly benefit the user. Without what many watches already have, mainly a GPS radio, it doesn't make sense for me to buy it.
I do plan on buying one in the future, but not yet.
Perhaps...with the design and the direction that Apple wants to take the watch. However, making it into a smaller version of an iPhone isn't attractive to me. I don't want a watch that can do everything my iPhone can do.
These are the things I see myself using a smartwatch for: telling date & time; quick reference for notifications; ability to track my run, mtn bike ride, road bike ride, hike, etc. in several different criteria including mileage and location; current altitude, current weather (even if I don't have a connection to my phone), heart rate, sunrise & sunset (as well as other custom settings specifically for my needs), quick reference for my upcoming scheduled appointments, quick look at who's currently calling me, using it as a remote for my phone (Apple TV, camera, etc.); using Siri, and so on.
( ... )
I do plan on buying one in the future, but not yet.
Although the watch would be a great companion on my daily run, I'd be reluctant to wear one as my wrists get very sweaty. Especially in Summertime: it gets smudgy with the sweat & suncream.
Perhaps I should wear one of those wrist bands? But won't they neutralize the benefits - heart monitor - of the Apple watch as the watch doesn't touch the skin anymore? If they won't, then I'd be very tempted to get both the watch* and the wrist band.
(*) The watch hasn't been launched in my country yet.
I'd like it to have a brighter screen (that you can see in bright sunlight easily) and a higher resolution display. It would be even better if they could fuse the glass closer to the screen, so that the screen pops out more on the surface of the watch.